Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.42.0] [Selebus]

[Bingoogus]

Yeah, it really goes to show just how effective she was at, well, what she did.

Yeah, i've tried a fair few times to write out how much worse she is than Akira but i always get lost in the words (trying to describe nuance using the same words leading to infinite regressions of explanation), last time i ended up settling on a rather empty summary of 'she's in a league of her own' but that felt pretty weak compared to how i feel about her.

See, they're both groomers, both are shit people, but Akira does really seem to be like a far lesser form of it, his main targets are the vulnerable midteens, easily manipulated to get into bed but also somewhat grown enough to be also somewhat making that decision for themselves. It's still pretty fucking gross and i'm not going to argue it's in any way okay, but it feel far more... common... or within the meat of a standard distribution. You're always going to have folks who prefer the barely legal/almost legal type so as gross as it is it almost seems like Akira is just your common, run of the mill sex addicted pervert.

Sekai on the other hand was a full blown, dyed in the wool groomer, targeting a literal child, warping his mind, fostering dependency, manipulating the concept of 'ok' behaviour, using him as a toy. every peek into her personality through Akira's busted flashbacks paints the very worst picture, the kind the makes your stomach turn over as you realise wtf those creepy ass words mean, the entire books behind each individual sentence... this is a kid who needs rescuing from a monster.

 

[Riolol]

Yeah, i've tried a fair few times to write out how much worse she is than Akira but i always get lost in the words (trying to describe nuance using the same words leading to infinite regressions of explanation), last time i ended up settling on a rather empty summary of 'she's in a league of her own' but that felt pretty weak compared to how i feel about her.

See, they're both groomers, both are shit people, but Akira does really seem to be like a far lesser form of it, his main targets are the vulnerable midteens, easily manipulated to get into bed but also somewhat grown enough to be also somewhat making that decision for themselves. It's still pretty fucking gross and i'm not going to argue it's in any way okay, but it feel far more... common... or within the meat of a standard distribution. You're always going to have folks who prefer the barely legal/almost legal type so as gross as it is it almost seems like Akira is just your common, run of the mill sex addicted pervert.

Sekai on the other hand was a full blown, dyed in the wool groomer, targeting a literal child, warping his mind, fostering dependency, manipulating the concept of 'ok' behaviour, using him as a toy. every peek into her personality through Akira's busted flashbacks paints the very worst picture, the kind the makes your stomach turn over as you realise wtf those creepy ass words mean, the entire books behind each individual sentence... this is a kid who needs rescuing from a monster.

Well we don't actually know exactly how young Maya was when they started dating so I wouldn't be too quick to defend Akira on that aspect but there are some implications that Sekai was more abusive in nature, the "good boy" poem comes to mind.

 

[Bingoogus]

Well we don't actually know exactly how young Maya was when they started dating so I wouldn't be too quick to defend Akira on that aspect but there are some implications that Sekai was more abusive in nature, the "good boy" poem comes to mind.

Yeah for sure, the whole Chinami in the bathtub scene also seems to add to that but... well i guess another way to explain it is i feel like Sekai is a natural born pedo groomer whereas Akira was abused into being one, it's common enough knowledge so i shouldn't need to explain how that works but the dude has a warped sense of love and how to show and receive affection and given how infantile he can become during some blackouts i reckon he's also seeking that experience of innocent childhood when/if he ends up grooming a kid. Without any information to say otherwise and some dialogue suggesting it to be the case, i would say the cycle of abuse starts with Sekai, unlike it would with, say, Sara for example, who had an abusive childhood too, if she went on to abuse Sana.

Sekai was the kind of pedo who would think "if kids didn't want to get fucked then they shouldn't be walking around being sexy all the time", whereas Akira is the kind of pedo that knows it's wrong, understands why it's wrong, but does it anyway cause sex make pee feel good. That's how it feels to me though, YMMV.

 

[Bingoogus]

Actually, after writing that out i feel like yet again like i've gotten lost in the words, examples of examples and trying to use words that apply to both to try and explain their differences... i suck at this, really wish someone could write it out better than me, i know i've got a point and i also know i'm accurately detecting a difference between the two, but i'm just crap at putting it into clear and concise sentences.

 

[Deleted member 6006009]

I played this game for the first time and was having a good time with it until they introduced Niki because she is 100% the best girl and has 0% chance of having a happy ending

 

[crustlord12]

Actually, after writing that out i feel like yet again like i've gotten lost in the words, examples of examples and trying to use words that apply to both to try and explain their differences... i suck at this, really wish someone could write it out better than me, i know i've got a point and i also know i'm accurately detecting a difference between the two, but i'm just crap at putting it into clear and concise sentences.

I disagree, I think you've put it pretty well.

 

[Riolol]

Actually, after writing that out i feel like yet again like i've gotten lost in the words, examples of examples and trying to use words that apply to both to try and explain their differences... i suck at this, really wish someone could write it out better than me, i know i've got a point and i also know i'm accurately detecting a difference between the two, but i'm just crap at putting it into clear and concise sentences.

I know that feeling man, for what it's worth it made sense to me.

 

[DeSkel15]

How Ami sees Sekai:

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How Sensei sees Sekai:

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Yeah, i've tried a fair few times to write out how much worse she is than Akira but i always get lost in the words (trying to describe nuance using the same words leading to infinite regressions of explanation), last time i ended up settling on a rather empty summary of 'she's in a league of her own' but that felt pretty weak compared to how i feel about her.

See, they're both groomers, both are shit people, but Akira does really seem to be like a far lesser form of it, his main targets are the vulnerable midteens, easily manipulated to get into bed but also somewhat grown enough to be also somewhat making that decision for themselves. It's still pretty fucking gross and i'm not going to argue it's in any way okay, but it feel far more... common... or within the meat of a standard distribution. You're always going to have folks who prefer the barely legal/almost legal type so as gross as it is it almost seems like Akira is just your common, run of the mill sex addicted pervert.

Sekai on the other hand was a full blown, dyed in the wool groomer, targeting a literal child, warping his mind, fostering dependency, manipulating the concept of 'ok' behaviour, using him as a toy. every peek into her personality through Akira's busted flashbacks paints the very worst picture, the kind the makes your stomach turn over as you realise wtf those creepy ass words mean, the entire books behind each individual sentence... this is a kid who needs rescuing from a monster.

I can agree with this.

My take on Sensei and Sekai:

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[JelF547]

The main reason why Akira is better than Sekai is because he is actualy growing to become better version of himself.

They both are horrible people obviously. But Akira still may get his redemption

 

[DeSkel15]

With more of her menacing side getting revealed as the game progresses, I am starting to think perhaps Sensei’s brother Nozomu wasn’t as mentally fucked up when alive or from the beginning (as least not as fucked up as the entity now we know as HOPE).

I vaguely remember an event (can’t recall which one) hinting that Sekai was always like this, as her grooming and everything stemmed from her own original personalities and not a product of being with Nozomu.

Now with Mama’s Girl describing him as “normal” (with Ami’s hesitancy) and “next to mom, no one could ever looked good. Not his fault”, maybe Nozomu was also a kind of victim of Sekai, who tainted both Arakawa brothers.

Personally, I think Sekai may have just made Sensei think his brother was an asshole, to control Sensei's thoughts and feelings more effectively.

"Your brother has been so mean to me Aki-kun, why don't you make me feel better?"

"Don't tell your big brother, or he'll get mad at you, and then we can't play anymore."

Shit like that. Nozomu could have just became a villain in Sensei's mind, due to Sekai's influence.

 

[barglenarglezous]

With more of her menacing side getting revealed as the game progresses, I am starting to think perhaps Sensei’s brother Nozomu wasn’t as mentally fucked up when alive or from the beginning (as least not as fucked up as the entity now we know as HOPE).

I vaguely remember an event (can’t recall which one) hinting that Sekai was always like this, as her grooming and everything stemmed from her own original personalities and not a product of being with Nozomu.

Now with Mama’s Girl describing him as “normal” (with Ami’s hesitancy) and “next to mom, no one could ever looked good. Not his fault”, maybe Nozomu was also a kind of victim of Sekai, who tainted both Arakawa brothers.

Sekai saying "She reminds me of me" about Nodoka spoke volumes about where her behavior stems from.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Sekai on the other hand is like a worse version of Nodoka:

Disagree, Sekai is what happens when Nodoka gets away with being Nodoka well into adulthood.

 

[Kagitane]

In general, since the topic of Akira's childhood has come up, I think it's worth mentioning his family. First, Akira's mother Saki. As far as we know, she didn't like him very much and I think that she most likely tried to spend as little time with him as possible, which naturally pushed him even more towards Sekai for the feeling of care and love (which she took advantage of). As for the father, he is the hero of the last game of Celebus and seems to be even more crazy than Sensei (although I didn’t play, so I don’t know for sure) and it’s quite possible that he didn’t really care about Akira either.
I won’t say anything about Nozomu - many analyzes and assumptions have already been made on him.
Summing up, I think that not only Sekai (although mostly she) but also his family is to blame for the worldview and state of Sensei.

P.S Now that I think about it, the only truly good people in his past were Nakayama's family.

 

[er3z]

Does anyone know what software was used to create the sprites/ background? I remember finding it but I forgot.

also, idk if there are any auxiliary software for renpy, since writing a massive 1 million word game in like 20 files seems like a massive pain in the ass, if there is such software/ a very intuitive sound design program that isn't professional, id be happy if someone helped.

(i would like to say as a joke its for a friend, but it literally is for someone else)

 

[butterfly boy]

Does anyone know what software was used to create the sprites/ background? I remember finding it but I forgot.

also, idk if there are any auxiliary software for renpy, since writing a massive 1 million word game in like 20 files seems like a massive pain in the ass, if there is such software/ a very intuitive sound design program that isn't professional, id be happy if someone helped.

(i would like to say as a joke its for a friend, but it literally is for someone else)

Every image in this game was created with Koikatsu.

 

[Bingoogus]

"Your brother has been so mean to me Aki-kun, why don't you make me feel better?"

"Don't tell your big brother, or he'll get mad at you, and then we can't play anymore."

That! That's the shit i was talking about, the shit churns your insides once you realise what's being said, someone call the fucking police.

 

[barglenarglezous]

In general, since the topic of Akira's childhood has come up, I think it's worth mentioning his family. First, Akira's mother Saki. As far as we know, she didn't like him very much and I think that she most likely tried to spend as little time with him as possible, which naturally pushed him even more towards Sekai for the feeling of care and love (which she took advantage of). As for the father, he is the hero of the last game of Celebus and seems to be even more crazy than Sensei (although I didn’t play, so I don’t know for sure) and it’s quite possible that he didn’t really care about Akira either.
I won’t say anything about Nozomu - many analyzes and assumptions have already been made on him.
Summing up, I think that not only Sekai (although mostly she) but also his family is to blame for the worldview and state of Sensei.

P.S Now that I think about it, the only truly good people in his past were Nakayama's family.

We don't know that Saki doesn't like her son. We know that Akira THINKS she doesn't.

One common tactic used by abusers is to isolate their victims from friends and family. This is normally done well before any abuse actually begins, when the victim still fully trusts their future abuser. If there's the slightest strain in the relationship at all, an abuser will seize upon it to drive a permanent wedge between them. A teacher has the opportunity to get a LOT of information if they wanted to do this to one of their students. A teacher dating that student's brother has literally EVERY piece of ammunition possible.

Because of this, we have to take Akira's limited memories of his mother with a grain of salt. That well was very likely poisoned by Sekai so thoroughly that he's not even aware of how untrue it is.

 

[hario1225]

Ohhhh just found out that apparently, there's another game that's supposed to be the prequel? How come I never saw it before lol

 

[Kagitane]

We don't know that Saki doesn't like her son. We know that Akira THINKS she doesn't.

One common tactic used by abusers is to isolate their victims from friends and family. This is normally done well before any abuse actually begins, when the victim still fully trusts their future abuser. If there's the slightest strain in the relationship at all, an abuser will seize upon it to drive a permanent wedge between them. A teacher has the opportunity to get a LOT of information if they wanted to do this to one of their students. A teacher dating that student's brother has literally EVERY piece of ammunition possible.

Because of this, we have to take Akira's limited memories of his mother with a grain of salt. That well was very likely poisoned by Sekai so thoroughly that he's not even aware of how untrue it is.

Disagree. It was Yasu's god who said about Akira's Mom at the Sensei's knowledge competition and, given that God always answered honestly (this is how he most likely called Akira's true age, which confused Yasu), there is no point in not believing him. I think you are too obsessed with the idea that "the source of all evil is the Sekai alone".

 

[barglenarglezous]

Disagree. It was Yasu's god who said about Akira's Mom at the Sensei's knowledge competition and, given that God always answered honestly (this is how he most likely called Akira's true age, which confused Yasu), there is no point in not believing him. I think you are too obsessed with the idea that "the source of all evil is the Sekai alone".

Yasu's god is Akira's brother and Sekai's wife. As pointed out by someone else above, it's very likely that Nozomu became the person he did due in part to Sekai's influence -- which means he was also likely isolated from their mother be Sekai's influence.

Thank you for accidentally proving my point.