Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.42.0] [Selebus]

[fdsasdf_p]

Speaking of Ami, anyone else realize that Maya fucked up?:

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Maya to Makoto: "Why not try speaking about this to any of the other girls?"

Makoto, shortly afterwards, to Ami: *Tells her everything*

Maya, not long after that, to Ayane: "We probably wouldn't even be in this mess if it weren't for you!"

Ayane: "How is any of this my fault?!"

Maya: "I don't know! But it's definitely not mine!":

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"Worst case scenario" my ass, Maya.

yea this really tells you how unprepared Maya actually is when facing the new unknowns. Accusing Ayane is a sensible assumption, but her radar has always been too small to consider other possibilities. She definitely did not know that Makoto and Ami have reconciled to a certain extent; or she did but couldn't care less. Her billion years worth yet extremely repetitive experience has started to become a hindrance to make progress.

But really though I can't bring myself to blame Maya; imagine you can only play this game until the first reset, then everything goes back the square one. You do this for 2 million times until one day by some shear accidents you are actually able to proceed with the game, then you quickly freak out at the puzzles in There Is Nothing because you've never ever needed to pay attention to other things; you're so used to the idea of going to shrine 5-10 times then just go to school to a point that you can't take it when things become complicated.

 

[DeSkel15]

yea this really tells you how unprepared Maya actually is when facing the new unknowns. Accusing Ayane is a sensible assumption, but her radar has always been too small to consider other possibilities. She definitely did not know that Makoto and Ami have reconciled to a certain extent; or she did but couldn't care less. Her billion years worth yet extremely repetitive experience has started to become a hindrance to make progress.

But really though I can't bring myself to blame Maya; imagine you can only play this game until the first reset, then everything goes back the square one. You do this for 2 million times until one day by some shear accidents you are actually able to proceed with the game, then you quickly freak out at the puzzles in There Is Nothing because you've never ever needed to pay attention to other things; you're so used to the idea of going to shrine 5-10 times then just go to school to a point that you can't take it when things become complicated.

I can't really blame Maya for making mistakes, but I also don't really expect much from her at this point.

To be fair though, Maya is broken/fucked up/toxic, she doesn't seem all that intelligent, she doesn't seem good with people, and she is facing circumstances no one ever should. There's no way she could have been good at this.

The main reason she seems to have made it this far is pure stubbornness, and that's playing against her now.

 

[barglenarglezous]

I can't really blame Maya for making mistakes, but I also don't really expect much from her at this point.

To be fair though, Maya is broken/fucked up/toxic, she doesn't seem all that intelligent, she doesn't seem good with people, and she is facing circumstances no one ever should have too. There's no way she could have been good at this.

The only reason she seems to have made it this far is pure stubbornness, and that's playing against her now.

You know those video games where the only way to get through them is to blindly trial and error your way through until you've memorized all the right things to do, but if you make a single mistake you get killed and have to start over from the beginning?

That's Maya. She's on a new level of the game and is going to have to fail a few dozen times until she memorizes the right way forward again.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

For ppl interested in more bunny doll whereabouts:

Spoiler: chicken alley

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Spoiler: maid cafe

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However, I can't help but feel like bunny dolls other than the blind folded one and those around Yasu are just red herring. Even the creepier ones are more or than less to me just another way of presentation that adds more WTF juice; the doll itself might be of no importance.
(this is in a similar sense to trying to find plant council members in other scenes; one might not be able to pull valid clues out of some commonly used Koikatsu objects, but it might still be too early to claim something as absolute as this)

 

[saerav]

Rabbits aside, I'm sure someone brought up the weird obsession with spiders too, right? They're everywhere, especially in the early game now that I'm replaying it

To be fair though, Maya is broken/fucked up/toxic, she doesn't seem all that intelligent, she doesn't seem good with people

Don't talk about my wife like that

 

[DeSkel15]

You know those video games where the only way to get through them is to blindly trial and error your way through until you've memorized all the right things to do, but if you make a single mistake you get killed and have to start over from the beginning?

That's Maya. She's on a new level of the game and is going to have to fail a few dozen times until she memorizes the right way forward again.

I see what you're saying, but I'd also add that Maya isn't the only one on this new level, and it's been shown that Maya's been playing the game wrong the whole time, anyway.

In other words: Maya never even managed to complete the past levels, then a new level shows up, and she still seems deadset on playing this new one the same way she played the past ones.

Maya kind of reminds me of that one person who goes out guns blazing every time there's a team death match, then wonders why they and their team tend to die. They also tend to insult their teammates like it's their fault.

Edit: replace guns blazing with camping. That seems more Maya's style.

 

[DeSkel15]

For ppl interested in more bunny doll whereabouts:

Spoiler: chicken alley

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Spoiler: maid cafe

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However, I can't help but feel like bunny dolls other than the blind folded one and those around Yasu are just red herring. Even the creepier ones are more or than less to me just another way of presentation that adds more WTF juice; the doll itself might be of no importance.
(this is in a similar sense to trying to find plant council members in other scenes; one might not be able to pull valid clues out of some commonly used Koikatsu objects, but it might still be too early to claim something as absolute as this)

Oh, there's bunnies everywhere it seems.

It was revealed in the peekaboo event that Sekai got restored in:

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That these bunnies "are placed all over this world to both learn and observe".

Weirdly enough, they might even be some form of "human", considering Yomiel was called "the human rabbit":

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Maybe that's what happened to most of the men?

 

[Pervyfox]

Speaking of Ami, anyone else realize that Maya fucked up?:

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Maya to Makoto: "Why not try speaking about this to any of the other girls?"

Makoto, shortly afterwards, to Ami: *Tells her everything*

Maya, not long after that, to Ayane: "We probably wouldn't even be in this mess if it weren't for you!"

Ayane: "How is any of this my fault?!"

Maya: "I don't know! But it's definitely not mine!":

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"Worst case scenario" my ass, Maya.

Maya is wrong about a lot of things, fairly consistently. its like her most defining not-so-obvious character trait lol. still love her regardless, but cmon girl

 

[barglenarglezous]

Edit: replace guns blazing with camping. That seems more Maya's style.

She's a button masher. TOTALLY a button masher.

I think she figured out how to not die during the entire level, but always got a "mission failed" at the end anyway because she didn't complete a single objective.

 

[FireCazador]

Just realized, if Sana is actually Nozomu's daughter, that'd mean he likely cheated on Sekai with Sara (unless she was into that)

Following that theory probably could be the other side, he was with Sara first and then left.
IIRC Sara said he left her and become a single mother

 

[blackredfish]

Not much of a gamer, but Maya reminds me when I was a kid doing this.

Spoiler: Maya trying to get out of the loop

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[Bingoogus]

I still don't get how Sana's dad, whoever he was, could abandon Sara for being pregnant but somehow also have a second kid with her with at least a 10 month span of time between them... either he stuck around for her son to be born and then knocked her up again or there is a massive plot hole there, and by plot hole i mean universe fuckery, not Selly dun goof'd. Why doesn't Sara explain it? Why doesn't Akira ask about it? Why haven't Maki of Haruka commented on it? Wtf does Sana know of it? At least Chika's done has had his abandonment placed after both daughters were born according to Chika. Sana's dad apparently left Sara because she fell pregnant... so who was phone!? Who Sana dad!? Why no ask? Why no confuse!@1?

 

[Pervyfox]

I still don't get how Sana's dad, whoever he was, could abandon Sara for being pregnant but somehow also have a second kid with her with at least a 10 month span of time between them... either he stuck around for her son to be born and then knocked her up again or there is a massive plot hole there, and by plot hole i mean universe fuckery, not Selly dun goof'd. Why doesn't Sara explain it? Why doesn't Akira ask about it? Why haven't Maki of Haruka commented on it? Wtf does Sana know of it? At least Chika's done has had his abandonment placed after both daughters were born according to Chika. Sana's dad apparently left Sara because she fell pregnant... so who was phone!? Who Sana dad!? Why no ask? Why no confuse!@1?

pretty sure she said he left when she was pregnant with sana, lemme go find the line

 

[derekthered56]

I still don't get how Sana's dad, whoever he was, could abandon Sara for being pregnant but somehow also have a second kid with her with at least a 10 month span of time between them... either he stuck around for her son to be born and then knocked her up again or there is a massive plot hole there, and by plot hole i mean universe fuckery, not Selly dun goof'd. Why doesn't Sara explain it? Why doesn't Akira ask about it? Why haven't Maki of Haruka commented on it? Wtf does Sana know of it? At least Chika's done has had his abandonment placed after both daughters were born according to Chika. Sana's dad apparently left Sara because she fell pregnant... so who was phone!? Who Sana dad!? Why no ask? Why no confuse!@1?

Don't know how to explain Sana's dad's actions, was thinking the same thing. As for why it hasn't come up, Akira never asks about anything that wouldn't somehow lead to sex, and it's an uncomfortable enough topic that no one else would bring it up unprompted. Sana basically had to tell Akira to ask about her brother after all.

 

[Bingoogus]

pretty sure she said he left when she was pregnant with sana, lemme go find the line

Well if he didn't leave after the first pregnancy, why the fuck did he left cause of the second? Also, how did he keep his job after getting an underaged student of his pregnant...

 

[Pervyfox]

I still don't get how Sana's dad, whoever he was, could abandon Sara for being pregnant but somehow also have a second kid with her with at least a 10 month span of time between them... either he stuck around for her son to be born and then knocked her up again or there is a massive plot hole there, and by plot hole i mean universe fuckery, not Selly dun goof'd. Why doesn't Sara explain it? Why doesn't Akira ask about it? Why haven't Maki of Haruka commented on it? Wtf does Sana know of it? At least Chika's done has had his abandonment placed after both daughters were born according to Chika. Sana's dad apparently left Sara because she fell pregnant... so who was phone!? Who Sana dad!? Why no ask? Why no confuse!@1?

oh wait, i remember my theory on this now! He was concerned when she was pregnant with Sana's brother, but obviously wasn't gonna give up the free teen sex, and then she got pregnant again, and shortly after (if it was Nozomu) he died, and she just assumed he ran away


The Place She Falls Asleep At Night:
Do you think deciding to raise Sana on my own was the best thing to do after her father left? Or would it have been better to just find some other guy and pull him into the picture? Not out of love or anything, but out of... obligation?

 

[derekthered56]

oh wait, i remember my theory on this now! He was concerned when she was pregnant with Sana's brother, but obviously wasn't gonna give up the free teen sex, and then she got pregnant again, and shortly after (if it was Nozomu) he died, and she just assumed he ran away

I'm not solid on the timeline but Nozomu definitely died after Sana was born, years later even.

 

[blackredfish]

Well if he didn't leave after the first pregnancy, why the fuck did he left cause of the second? Also, how did he keep his job after getting an underaged student of his pregnant...

Did he ever got caught? Were they ever an "official" couple? Genuine questions, I don't remember it being stated clearly. I support the theory of Nozomu being Sana's dad but I would ask another thing that I find odd: Do they know Akira's surname is Arakawa? Because that would ring some bells right?. Now, just like Sensei wasn't able to hear his name maybe we have a similar case here. Does someone have an example of Sana/Sara addressing him as Mr. Arakawa?

 

[Pervyfox]

I'm not solid on the timeline but Nozomu definitely died after Sana was born, years later even.

yeah i misspoke, i didn't mean when she got pregnant again, but some time when sana was still too young to probably remember.

 

[derekthered56]

yeah i misspoke, i didn't mean when she got pregnant again, but some time when sana was still too young to probably remember.

Ami remembers Sekai, so Sana should have been old enough to remember Nozomu when the accident happened. And that whole situation would raise further questions. Could Nozumu really secretly raise a second family for years? Why wouldn't Sara reveal their relationship when she graduated high school?