Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.42.0] [Selebus]

[Pedro4545454]

I think it's time (for me) to quit this game. From an interesting and entertaining game it turned into the ravings of a madman. Interesting girls became defective patients in a mental hospital.
I don't know who might like this crap, but it's definitely not me.

Goodbye, I hope you find something you like, since for us who will continue in this game, we will only get screwed even more.

 

[Vizer007]

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I actually think that the whole class will make those "get well soon" cards and Ayane will come with a whole bunch of em, confront Ami, like

Ay: Ami, let me read those cards for sensei
Am: I will read them for him, thank you very much
Ay: No, we fear you will just toss them aside or something. You know that I want sensei to get better too, right?
=skipping all the useless shenanigans here=
Am: Okay, but I have a condition, if he will not wake up - you all will forget about him, forever. Deal?
Ay: Deal, but if he actually "wakes up" we will cut your hair.
Am: Ummm...Sure?

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[DeSkel15]

yeah, with the collector I more than agree, I also think that Sana will have a lot of influence on it, but it remains to be seen if she will join the rooftop apocalypse squad..., I also don't rule out that some girl can help him and gets damaged in the process, nor rule out that there are other girls apart from healthy who also want him to become the definitive collector.

and also sensei in that state how the resets will now influence. Also remember that this reset was done by good boy related to some god in the world or Akira's past?... //makoto and ayane just spectators didn't even do anything there,//. or if maybe Sensei will cause the reset one day and that will cause certain other things...

Well, for all we know, Collector Sensei will have control over the resets and memories, and The RAS could just have been one way of collecting, this whole time. It's not exactly impossible that Maya Prime's role in this, was merely to get him to this point. Sadly, it's probably even likely she was merely a pawn in the grand scheme of things.

Much like how there's the Light, the Dark, and what's In Between, I can see this cast being separated into these labels before long. The Dark will probably be The Collector's side, considering Pareidolia is known as The Dark and the one apparently in control of this Chapter and Season.

Of course, there's still USER4, and Fall/Autumn. Which might either be a good thing, or the worst thing. I'm beginning to see why Spring and Fall was taken away:

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It may have been for the greater good.

Overall: This Chapter is definitely likely to be sad, and probably full of betrayal.

 

[Pedro4545454]

One question that I don't remember are the Gods described as? why the only one I remember is hope who is described as insensitive Or am I remembering wrong and isn't he the insensitive one?

Overall: This Chapter is definitely likely to be sad, and probably full of betrayal.

well theoretically we are on the Dark route so that's expected but that doesn't mean I'm happy.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Ayane about to come clutch like this in 0.37 and show every girl why she's the one

 

[Duskreyn]

One question that I don't remember are the Gods described as? why the only one I remember is hope who is described as insensitive Or am I remembering wrong and isn't he the insensitive one?

It is very spread throughout the game, perhaps Deskel has the information of where and each of his information, is mainly in the reset, but each god has certain characteristics and they are all associated with a certain season that is why, for example, hope/ nozomu/callous, angels sekai is stronger in summer, and calm is more related to winter/tojoramen/noddles, taking things out of happy events and reset almost mostly.
and how paraleidolla could be connected to himawari/shapeshifter, plus the theories of sana being nozomu's daughter.
each god in theory would also be associated with a user

But until now I have not seen that there is any relatively good god. As far as girls' or Akira's interests are concerned, the closest thing it could be would be Hiwamari. At the end of the day, I suppose her goal is for her to exist. and for that he must force the way between ayane/akira in his own means and alliances. Who I still don't understand well is from the entity Nao and Nao-chan has many doubts about that. // also the library, but I have to look at that happy event that I forgot the name xd

trying to remember the only thing I see that seems to be an amalgamation of all those that were in the reset, and the strange connection with Ami, making people believe that it is good.

 

[Bingoogus]

I think it's time (for me) to quit this game. From an interesting and entertaining game it turned into the ravings of a madman. Interesting girls became defective patients in a mental hospital.
I don't know who might like this crap, but it's definitely not me.

Yeah fair enough man, even i'm feeling my love and interest in the game degrade over the last few updates so i more than understand others bailing on it.

 

[Pedro4545454]

It is very spread throughout the game, perhaps Deskel has the information of where and each of his information, is mainly in the reset, but each god has certain characteristics and they are all associated with a certain season that is why, for example, hope/ nozomu/callous, angels sekai is stronger in summer, and calm is more related to winter/tojoramen/noddles, taking things out of happy events and reset almost mostly.
and how paraleidolla could be connected to himawari/shapeshifter, plus the theories of sana being nozomu's daughter.
each god in theory would also be associated with a user

But until now I have not seen that there is any relatively good god. As far as girls' or Akira's interests are concerned, the closest thing it could be would be Hiwamari. At the end of the day, I suppose her goal is for her to exist. and for that he must force the way between ayane/akira in his own means and alliances. Who I still don't understand well is from the entity Nao and Nao-chan has many doubts about that. // also the library, but I have to look at that happy event that I forgot the name xd

trying to remember the only thing I see that seems to be an amalgamation of all those that were in the reset, and the strange connection with Ami, making people believe that it is good.

Thanks for the complete answer, I relearned a lot of things I had forgotten.

 

[Pedro4545454]

Yeah fair enough man, even i'm feeling my love and interest in the game degrade over the last few updates so i more than understand others bailing on it.

strange the more messed up this game gets, the more my love for it increases

 

[Pedro4545454]

Ayane about to come clutch like this in 0.37 and show every girl why she's the one

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Well, there's a high chance of this happening if Paper City is really something that happened inside Akira's head while Ayane was reading the letters to him. Since all the girls there "died"/failed in paper city and only Ayane managed to stay alive, she could be the girl who will be able to wake him up.

 

[Axismundi]

Ayane about to come clutch like this in 0.37 and show every girl why she's the one

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God I hope not. At least giver her some sort of character change before she magically fixes everything.

 

[DeSkel15]

One question that I don't remember are the Gods described as? why the only one I remember is hope who is described as insensitive Or am I remembering wrong and isn't he the insensitive one?


well theoretically we are on the Dark route so that's expected but that doesn't mean I'm happy.

Well, more or less, there's 3 main gods:

• Callous - Presumably HOPE, and related to Light, Nozomu, USER1, Birds/Feathers, Eyes, The Bottom of Everything, Angels, and Summer. Usually talks in Uppercase.
• Calm - Presumably The Wire god, and related to probably what's In Between, The Rope, Computers, Trees, Ramen, The Old District, USER2, Winter, and The Resets. Usually talks with these things "//////...."
• Concerned - Presumably Pareidolia, and related to The Dark, Spiders, Perception, USER3, Spring, and The Mall. Usually talks in Lowercase.

Of course, this is the generalization of it. Pareidolia claims they, the so called Trinity, blend together sometimes. Which could actually just be something it's able to do, and it's trying to cast doubt on who is who, because Pareidolia seems to be an asshole who thinks they know best.

In case you're wondering, it's probably Pareidolia who got rid of and replaced Maya. All that update we were caught in it's web:

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but there was somewhat of a secret message last update.

When this happens in 'Bone-Town', if you look closely you'll see the words:

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"you are caught in my web there is only one way out".

Keeping in mind it's in lower case, and "web" likely refers to spiders, this is probably Pareidolia talking.

Then during the Reset puzzle, you'll find spiders crawling around where the bullets were:

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With a note in lower case telling Sensei "don't think twice!". There's also pictures of Niki and The Old One, but for now, it's probably best to just keep this in mind for the future.

We also, during the recent beach trip in 'Flowerchild', had Pareidolia telling Sensei not to open his eyes the next time he reaches the top of the world aka the rooftop:

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and well, if you played last update, you know what Sensei saw, when he did open his eyes on the rooftop.

Overall: What happened to Maya and the whole Paper City thing seems to have been either planned or caused by Pareidolia.

 

[Pedro4545454]

Regarding that whole topic, understandable, I would definitely prefer a game with less dark and more pleasant themes, both for the girls and for the protagonist and that they reform, the whole world without traumas, and Akira as the name of the game learning to love, It may happen but there is a long way to go to get out of darkness and into purity.
More or less I see that what Selebus wants from the beginning has been, // I'm going to throw out so much shit so that the reader learns to value good things and so on //
but at some point I don't know how far into the abyss he intends to take us... that throughout all these years you have grown fond of many of the characters... perhaps that is the best part beyond denpa and the world as such , and by staying here you already know that yes or yes you are going to suffer for several years...

In part, playing darker themes makes the game different from others, on the other hand, therefore I prefer the game to be absolutely dark here as much as possible, because I feel that if that is the case, unless Selebus is a monster without a soul or any mercy, the purity would be a reward for those who put up with so much shit, my humble opinion, because if this is the beginning of the saddest arc ---> a chapter where 140 affection points were lost and 10 affeccions of ami and 1 of lust were won. the intentions have been shown without disgust.

In Selly's old messages here on the website he had said that he would make us suffer a lot on the Dark route so that we could learn to value all the good things that happened on the pure routes, so yes that was always his goal in this game to make us suffer so learn to value the good things in the world. (My fear is the level of suffering that will be)

 

[Pedro4545454]

In case you're wondering, it's probably Pareidolia who got rid of and replaced Maya. All that update we were caught in it's web:

Yes, when I was playing at 0.36 it was quite evident that he was the one who did this to Maya, that's why he became the god I most want dead these days.

 

[Pedro4545454]

If I think similar, basically Selebus will take us to the same hell that his hands, mind and writing are possibly able to imagine and create. I don't think it has limits, but hey, hold on tight.

Well, if he doesn't kill Akira and Yumi, I'll take it in stride. I've already lost Maya who was my top 1, losing Akira who is my top 2 and Yumi who is top 3 would be a huge pain.

 

[hcguy]

However she seemed unfazed since Rin kissing her didn't leave her running away or fainting.

Maybe if Rin had thrown Sana to the ground and slapped her around while kissing her she could have triggered Sana's really unfortunate fetish.

 

[Bingoogus]

It's not the game getting dark that is causing me to lose interest, i want shit to get fucked up, i enjoy fucked up, what's starting to drag on me is the waffling on with little to no progression of the story. For every scene or chunk of dialogue of progress there's ten times more meaningless waffle and empty scenes where everyone uses a bunch of words but end up actually saying for little of consequence or at least enjoyable conversation, it's just treading water most of the time.

Selly has always waffled on but things used to be a lot tighter, there'd be tonnes of riveting discussion about what happened here, there's a lot less now and a good chunk of it is lost in the stickiest of sticks, trying to plumb answers from severely abstracted clues. Interesting insights and discoveries just seem a lot rarer now, it's why i was in such a good mood to wake up to a bunch of the good stuff today.

 

[DeSkel15]

How would Sekai get in there? for the issue of los angels? at the toys event?
That's why it confuses me that Sensei only sees her but Sana doesn't.
Well, it's related at least Nozomu/Hope... like another angel.
Spiders related to kaori and reinforces the theory of sekai organs at least. Also the spiders are related to Ami through some happy events, and the event that introduces Kaori is because of Ami, which I don't think is a coincidence.

Well, Sekai translates to World, so she/it is probably "The World Itself" that comes up at times. The Sekai in Toys and Sekai that Sensei talks to at times, probably aren't the same Sekai, although it isn't entirely clear. Supernatural Entity vs Hallucination.

Anyway, if I were to guess, Nao, and The Scary Sekai/The World Itself, are probably the gods, that the gods we know worship, as Nao seemed to imply that was a thing:

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They seem to merely take the forms of Ami and Sekai, then watch as Sensei breaks:

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Of course, the gods we know are mysterious enough. Let alone whatever the hell they are.

Edit: As for Kaori, she's called herself:

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So, either she is Pareidolia's Mistress or what she thinks is wrong, which wouldn't be too surprising.

 

[skwada]

It's not the game getting dark that is causing me to lose interest, i want shit to get fucked up, i enjoy fucked up, what's starting to drag on me is the waffling on with little to no progression of the story. For every scene or chunk of dialogue of progress there's ten times more meaningless waffle and empty scenes where everyone uses a bunch of words but end up actually saying for little of consequence or at least enjoyable conversation, it's just treading water most of the time.

Selly has always waffled on but things used to be a lot tighter, there'd be tonnes of riveting discussion about what happened here, there's a lot less now and a good chunk of it is lost in the stickiest of sticks, trying to plumb answers from severely abstracted clues. Interesting insights and discoveries just seem a lot rarer now, it's why i was in such a good mood to wake up to a bunch of the good stuff today.

Agreed. I've been thinking for a while now that this game would probably benefit from having an editor going through the entire script and trimming out all the fluff - could probably cut out a big chunk of the word count without losing anything of value imo.

I've also been contemplating making an alternate version of the game that is just a pure VN, with none of the time-wasting "gameplay". The reasoning is that if you have the freedom to decide on a canonical order for all the events, then you have full control of the pacing and can spread out the humor/dark stuff/etc appropriately. Like sometimes you have a dark/depressing event, followed up by an event that's just all silly jokes, with characters having over-the-top reactions to trivial things, which is pretty jarring (less noticeable when you play a single update at a time tho).

 

[DeSkel15]

Actually, it's probably safe to say Kaori and Pareidolia are related. Kaori ignored Maya:

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And Pareidolia seemed to make sure to get rid of her.

There's also how Maya had no idea who Kaori was, and both Yumi and Yuki thought she was dead, so it's possible Pareidolia brought her into this timeline to get to this point, albeit that could just be a coincidence.

Does make me wonder how Kaori will react to New Maya, though.