Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.42.0] [Selebus]

[LessonsInDissonance]

Random facts that may add something or not: Yumi is known by Pareidolia by another name, Tsuneyo remembers everything as dreams and was called back from the reset event by her father, Makoto had the bluejay incident, Ayane has Himawari protection (including the paper city, but this seems to have only started during our cycle - as someone said she shouldn't exist here, or maybe it was referring to the following two). Also, Nao and Kaori were not even targets during the paper city event, but they're not main cast either so I don't know if that's relevant.

Maybe they gravitate to the roof cause they survived resets at one time, and the resets are always there? The issue I see here is Ami, since Ami is shown looking at Maya and Akira on the roof in what should be either his suicide event, or during some cycle in which they were both awake. Why hasn't she ever survived a reset then?

Who says she didn't survive the resets?

 

[Bomb_Dman]

Probably my top 5 games by far found here and in general possibly even compared to VNDBs I've read. I really dig the story here, just letting a comment to remind me lol, which is rare for me.
I love everything on it and I love the slow pace/horror Denpa in it.
Congrats dev/team u all are amazing.
Thanks for the supporters and people like me enjoying and supporting their works in general.

 

[DeSkel15]

Yes, but does he know she cheated with Niki? Or forced Niki, would be a better description and was instantly met with a wtf?

I may have imagined this, but I think Niki at some point says Akira does not deal well with people being unfaithful to him or something like that. It would make sense for someone forced to listen to his abuser/first "love" being fucked to oblivion next wall, but I don't remember if she actually says something about that. Cause if so, it adds another layer of why she said Otoha was never to bring it up again, and just pretend it never happened (which, she being the piece of shit she is, decides to deliver it to the very person Niki wouldn't want for her to say anything in a roundabout way, out of nowhere. At least Nodoka knows what she's doing and owns it).

Then again he trades Niki's photos with Otoha, and gets off on Otoha masturbating to Niki in front of him so maybe it's just in my head.

Sensei probably knows Otoha forced herself on Niki, he points this out before trading nudes in Otoha's 'Taint the sapling' Chapter 4 Event:

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Sensei definitely doesn't like the idea of any of the girls with another guy. He mostly just considers them being with another girl as hot, though. Keep in mind, he's kind of a manchild that just sees girls as fleshlights deep down.

Oh god does this actually have layers? imo I don't think there's much weird or significant about those events in a vacuum, Yumi stole a key and Tsnuneyo is Tsuneyo, but the fact those two had minor daytime scenes on the rooftop and are also the ones who seem almost on the verge of breaking through the reset weirdness is a little maddening.

Tsuneyo and Yumi's connection to the supernatural predates their rooftop moments, so it might be the case there's some kind of subconscious pull or weird cosmic psuedo-coincidence stuff that makes people with supernatural ties gravitate to the roof.

also another wrinkle to my idea is that Ayane got like, half reset when she was pregnant. Her memories were tampered with but she could kinda remember certain stuff, with emotions especially lingering, which is very similar to the situation Tsuneyo is currently in

Strange enough, Yasu never really mentions the roof. Then again she seems to have a White Room and her god's eggs that help her survive resets.

Random facts that may add something or not: Yumi is known by Pareidolia by another name, Tsuneyo remembers everything as dreams and was called back from the reset event by her father, Makoto had the bluejay incident, Ayane has Himawari protection (including the paper city, but this seems to have only started during our cycle - as someone said she shouldn't exist here, or maybe it was referring to the following two). Also, Nao and Kaori were not even targets during the paper city event, but they're not main cast either so I don't know if that's relevant.

Maybe they gravitate to the roof cause they survived resets at one time, and the resets are always there? The issue I see here is Ami, since Ami is shown looking at Maya and Akira on the roof in what should be either his suicide event, or during some cycle in which they were both awake. Why hasn't she ever survived a reset then?

It may require tragedy and love. Ayane wasn't exactly loved by Sensei until she lost the baby, and found out he lost his memories, which is when he finally accepted they were dating (shortly before Ayane survived a reset).

Makoto is similar in that it wasn't until after she jumped, and lost her father, that Sensei finally made it clear that he loved her, shortly before Halloween, and again during Halloween in front of Miku, then she survived.

Ami just went through a tragic period, may have been murdered, more or less broke, and now Sensei seems to be willingly saying he loves her in front of others.

Previous Ami's may have just never been broken or loved enough. Not to say this one has.

There also seems to be some godly permission required. Pareidolia seems to approve of Ayane, and something else approved of Makoto. Maybe also a sacrifice if the lives of Ayane's chicken Todd, and Makoto's father, were necessary.

 

[Squalicorax]

Maybe also a sacrifice if the lives of Ayane's chicken Todd, and Makoto's father, were necessary.

Oh god. if the sacrifice thing has any weight behind it, it's pretty clear who the sacrifice for Tsuneyo would be, and I'm pretty sure he dies or at least almost dies every reset. Maybe Tsuneyo needs to properly come to terms with her father's death to make it to the rooftop?

 

[Moonflare]

Okay, so help me here:

Spoiler: Fuck you Pareidolia

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Who is speaking here? Is it HOPE and then Pareidolia?

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

Are you suuuuure about that, Yuki??

Spoiler: Yuki Daddy Foreshadowing

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[DeSkel15]

Oh god. if the sacrifice thing has any weight behind it, it's pretty clear who the sacrifice for Tsuneyo would be, and I'm pretty sure he dies or at least almost dies every reset. Maybe Tsuneyo needs to properly come to terms with her father's death to make it to the rooftop?

Considering Tsuneyo's father apparently got sick around when the resets begun, and may even be the Wire god, with how black outs at Tojo Ramen seem to mess up things, if Mr. Tojo goes, who knows what may happen.

There's also Noodles, Sensei's and Tsuneyo's son though.

Okay, so help me here:

Spoiler: Fuck you Pareidolia

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Who is speaking here? Is it HOPE and then Pareidolia?

Seems to be Pareidolia (lower case) then USER2, albeit I could be wrong. HOPE tends to make itself known when it's actually involved:

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[Moonflare]

Sensei probably knows Otoha forced herself on Niki, he points this out before trading nudes in Otoha's 'Taint the sapling' Chapter 4 Event:

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Sensei definitely doesn't like the idea of any of the girls with another guy. He mostly just considers them being with another girl as hot, though. Keep in mind, he's kind of a manchild that just sees girls as fleshlights deep down.

Strange enough, Yasu never really mentions the roof. Then again she seems to have a White Room and her god's eggs that help her survive resets.

It may require tragedy and love. Ayane wasn't exactly loved by Sensei until she lost the baby, and found out he lost his memories, which is when he finally accepted they were dating (shortly before Ayane survived a reset).

Makoto is similar in that it wasn't until after she jumped, and lost her father, that Sensei finally made it clear that he loved her, shortly before Halloween, and again during Halloween in front of Miku, then she survived.

Ami just went through a tragic period, may have been murdered, more or less broke, and now Sensei seems to be willingly saying he loves her in front of others.

Previous Ami's may have just never been broken or loved enough. Not to say this one has.

There also seems to be some godly permission required. Pareidolia seems to approve of Ayane, and something else approved of Makoto. Maybe also a sacrifice if the lives of Ayane's chicken Todd, and Makoto's father, were necessary.

Totally forgot the Otoha conversation, thanks. Yeah, I guess he doesn't mind at all then, and since there aren't any other men in this game, zero worries from Akira apparently.

I was looking through Yasu's events, and she mentions that HOPE brought her tongue back and is who permits that she exists, heavily implied to be Sekai. But then Yasu also starts saying that he has to get rid of what's following him, and that he was born in the light (since his mother believed in it), but was corrupted by the dark (again, alluding to Sekai). So I'm confused, for some reason HOPE brought Sekai back, and she's sort of an angel, but he also blames her for him being not in the light, and says that he has to get rid of her?

First, does this imply that Pareidolia and HOPE are the main players, and Wires is about to break? Maybe the dark route is when Wires dies (rope snaps), and there isn't a god to maintain order.

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Again, very confusing to me. Cause the seasons that almost always come are HOPE's and Wires', not Pareidolia's.

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On Akira's mother and Sekai following him (?)

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Or maybe something else was following him and HOPE wanted it to be Sekai instead. Maybe it was Pareidolia following him? I have no idea what's going on here, cause I don't remember exactly when it takes place.

Spoiler: this event

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And unrelated to anything I just pointed out, did the Gods approve of the girls surviving? I never heard about that before, where is this from?

 

[LoveBlueHairedGirl]

Yumi somehow had a Key:

Which event it is?

 

[LoveBlueHairedGirl]

Then again she seems to have a White Room and her god's eggs that help her survive resets.

What is a white room and why did HOPE let Yasu touch his balls?

 

[TheSeedy1]

I am immensely uncomfortable and not a fan of Sekai at the moment. Holy creepsauce batman.

Edit: And now I understand who the fuck you guys are referencing when you say Akira

 

[Moonflare]

I am immensely uncomfortable and not a fan of Sekai at the moment. Holy creepsauce batman.

Edit: And now I understand who the fuck you guys are referencing when you say Akira

Yeah, I haven't had a single moment where she shows up and I don't go "FUCKING SEKAI", right away. Also, proud of you for being able to avoid spoilers about Akira until it being revealed.

 

[TheSeedy1]

Yeah, I haven't had a single moment where she shows up and I don't go "FUCKING SEKAI", right away. Also, proud of you for being able to avoid spoilers about Akira until it being revealed.

I am pretty good at skimming and only spotting key words I'm after so while I look forward to being caught up with you all, I've only run into one major spoiler thus far despite keeping up with the thread lul

But yes, god - the reveal of her and what she did to young Akira. Bro. No wonder we're so fucked up.

Also, Niki just keeps getting more and more wholesome. MUST PROTECT.

But now I have to go back and replay a certain Chika scene so I'll see you all in an hour. Or a day. Or I don't know don't hold this against me.

 

[Bingoogus]

You know, i got wondering, if Sekai didn't die, what are the chances she might've egged Akira on to do things with Ami? She was 7, so it'd be later than i'd expect things to start if that's what she wanted, she had the hots for Akira when he was a baby and had planned to molest him all along, but i dunno, despite her love for her daughter she was an incredibly sick and evil person so if she even remotely liked the idea i have no doubt she'd have gone down that path... Ami did try to take care of Akira with sex when she first started living with him, but he was too comatose to accept her 'offer', at least if i read that one scene properly...

 

[falco256]

You know, i got wondering, if Sekai didn't die, what are the chances she might've egged Akira on to do things with Ami? She was 7, so it'd be later than i'd expect things to start if that's what she wanted, she had the hots for Akira when he was a baby and had planned to molest him all along, but i dunno, despite her love for her daughter she was an incredibly sick and evil person so if she even remotely liked the idea i have no doubt she'd have gone down that path... Ami did try to take care of Akira with sex when she first started living with him, but he was too comatose to accept her 'offer', at least if i read that one scene properly...

I'd wondered the same tbh, Ami's whole attitude towards him seems abnormal. Makes you wonder whether she hadn't been groomed for him by Sekai. Wouldn't be that difficult for her to do tbh, just to give her a nudge and a fixation.

Honestly, I kinda wonder if Ami isn't his kid. But I don't know how the timeline falls.

 

[DeSkel15]

Totally forgot the Otoha conversation, thanks. Yeah, I guess he doesn't mind at all then, and since there aren't any other men in this game, zero worries from Akira apparently.

I was looking through Yasu's events, and she mentions that HOPE brought her tongue back and is who permits that she exists, heavily implied to be Sekai. But then Yasu also starts saying that he has to get rid of what's following him, and that he was born in the light (since his mother believed in it), but was corrupted by the dark (again, alluding to Sekai). So I'm confused, for some reason HOPE brought Sekai back, and she's sort of an angel, but he also blames her for him being not in the light, and says that he has to get rid of her?

First, does this imply that Pareidolia and HOPE are the main players, and Wires is about to break? Maybe the dark route is when Wires dies (rope snaps), and there isn't a god to maintain order.

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Again, very confusing to me. Cause the seasons that almost always come are HOPE's and Wires', not Pareidolia's.

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On Akira's mother and Sekai following him (?)

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Or maybe something else was following him and HOPE wanted it to be Sekai instead. Maybe it was Pareidolia following him? I have no idea what's going on here, cause I don't remember exactly when it takes place.

Spoiler: this event

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And unrelated to anything I just pointed out, did the Gods approve of the girls surviving? I never heard about that before, where is this from?

There may be multiple Sekai's, but HOPE and Yasu might not be referring to Sekai being who was brought back. It might be Maya considering it's been implied she's died:

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In retrospect, Yasu seems a little too anti red for her god to bring back someone who embodies red:

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Yasu also doesn't really seem aware of Pareidolia nor how things work in Spring. She's also unable to see a moon:

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As far as Yasu seems aware, there is the Wire god (Winter, where she wears White), her god (Summer, where she wears Black), and the rope, which may be Nao considering it's covered in ropes and has mentioned the rope:

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As for the god permission thing:

Considering Pareidolia seemed to wonder who would take credit for Makoto getting to the roof:

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Getting to the roof might just require outside help from "gods" or other supernatural things.

Makoto mentioned a "false moon" before Reset 6:

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This false moon might be the thing behind Makoto's survival.

Pareidolia also seemed to think Ayane was developing well:

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Compared to Maya, so it might have something to do with Ayane's survival.

Which event it is?

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Tsuneyo's was:

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Both Chapter 1 Main Events.

What is a white room and why did HOPE let Yasu touch his balls?

The White Room seems to be where Yasu is safe during Resets and His Eggs apparently transcend time:

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[Bingoogus]

Honestly, I kinda wonder if Ami isn't his kid. But I don't know how the timeline falls.

There's a pretty solid chance she is, it's a common theory, we've had an in-game scene showing her molesting him when he was prepubescent and another of him fucking her when he wasn't that much older, he's 31, she's about 16, which means if he was the dad he'd have had to impregnate Sekai at about 14, and at that age he'd almost certainly have fertile sperm. I mean, i dunno if i was fertile, but i was shooting ropes at 11, so it's easily possible, and we know they would fuck well and often so... 50/50 on him being the dad, no reason it couldn't be him, plenty of reason it could be.

 

[DeSkel15]

You know, i got wondering, if Sekai didn't die, what are the chances she might've egged Akira on to do things with Ami? She was 7, so it'd be later than i'd expect things to start if that's what she wanted, she had the hots for Akira when he was a baby and had planned to molest him all along, but i dunno, despite her love for her daughter she was an incredibly sick and evil person so if she even remotely liked the idea i have no doubt she'd have gone down that path... Ami did try to take care of Akira with sex when she first started living with him, but he was too comatose to accept her 'offer', at least if i read that one scene properly...

Sekai seemed to love Ami more than Sensei, and even feigned being religious for Ami, so I doubt she'd do something she'd know wouldn't benefit her. Ami seemed to think Sekai saw her as the most important thing in the world, and is someone she wants to be more like. She doesn't seem aware that Sekai molested Sensei, though. Just that they loved eachother based off Ami's 'Mama's Girl' Chapter 3 Event, when Sensei tried to tell her something bad about Sekai and Ami tried not to find out.

After Ami hit puberty, then Sekai may have gotten her involved, but even then Sekai didn't seem to like sharing Sensei with Niki, based off her getting mad when she found pink hairs on him. I'd assume she'd share with her daughter if Ami wanted, but who knows.

As for 7 year old Ami, she was having to clean up Sensei after he masturbated and he was apparently usually naked, and not all there. Her offering her body to him was probably just out of desperation, and something she looks back at as being stupid of her. Even current Ami seems to think there's some demons in him that need to get out, though:

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So, I can only wonder what pre puberty Ami was thinking back then.

 

[TheSeedy1]

Man. What the hell Ami. How much are we gonna hurt and cockblock poor Noriko? >_<

Yeah the follow up of that scene was painful and my heart aches for poor Noriko.

On the flip side...MY GOD CHIKA

Spoiler: Chapter 3 Chika Spoiler

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[Apollo259]

If I was a paranoid egomaniac I might take this personally.

Spoiler: apollo the clown

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