Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.42.0] [Selebus]

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Moonflare said:
I know I give Otoha a lot of shit (deserved btw), but man, give it to Io to manage to make even Otoha look good, my god

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On a roll, Io managed to insult Chika, be homophobic, insult Rin, and just be Io in general I guess. Gotta agree with Otoha on this, and while this does not lessen what Nodoka did to Io later (in terms of being horrible), it does lessen a lot of any sympathy I might have had for Io.

"A person that suffers from depression and cuts herself? That's just hilarious!" - yeah, don't count on me to ask if you're okay when some weirdo suggests you may have been abused in public. I'd still disapprove of Nodoka's actions, but fuck Io too. Whatever the hell did Rin even do to you? This dialogue might have made me go from general pity about Io to seeing how she can be really disgusting.
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Interestingly, Io apparently does not have depression:
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She simply seems to have a problem with depression itself or at least the idea of it, and ironically, it's something she couldn't understand due to not having it. (Which is similar to what she tells Nodoka later)

Io definitely has a problem with Women, though. She's literally misogynistic. That's kind of why Nodoka predicted the mom stuff so easily. It's the logical conclusion.

Since Rin and Chika are girls, that's enough reason for her to hate them for existing.

Io's problem with most is simply because they don't have a dick. She sees Otoha as barely even a girl though:
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Hence actually talking to her, and she originally thought Uta was a boy hence why they are friends at all. Yuki and Yumi both probably fit into the "barely even a girl" category to Io.

Edit: Miku as well.
 
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I recently finished my first playthrough of this wonderful game, and after going through the last few weeks of this thread I'm excited to join the discussion.
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For instance, this could confirm that Sekai was working with Pareidolia, and yet chose to stand against him and disregarded the ninth god. It's all around the "for us to return to form".

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I think Himawari is the narrator here, not Sekai. The hidden fourth music option for the scene is gated by Ayane's affection, we know Himawari is/was involved with Pareidolia, and I think she's established that she's some sort of independent underling of the gods but would be willing to disregard them in order to help Sensei.

I'm not sure how to interpret "the two of US return to form," but the particular emphasis on US makes me think it has a more complex meaning than just "the speaker and Sensei." It's also worth noting that when Ami uses the phrase earlier in the chapter, a HimawariCo label is seen on the plant:
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aramaug said:
I recently finished my first playthrough of this wonderful game, and after going through the last few weeks of this thread I'm excited to join the discussion.


I think Himawari is the narrator here, not Sekai. The hidden fourth music option for the scene is gated by Ayane's affection, we know Himawari is/was involved with Pareidolia, and I think she's established that she's some sort of independent underling of the gods but would be willing to disregard them in order to help Sensei.

I'm not sure how to interpret "the two of US return to form," but the particular emphasis on US makes me think it has a more complex meaning than just "the speaker and Sensei." It's also worth noting that when Ami uses the phrase earlier in the chapter, a HimawariCo label is seen on the plant:
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First of all, welcome. Secondly, I'd prefer for it to be Himawari, that was my first assumption when rewarching the event - it's the return to form that I have problem with I guess.

Sekai's return seems to be one of the longest and most important arcs in the game. I'm unsure who else's return to form would it be, especially because it's said that Akira wants it with that exact expression.

For the sake of argument, it could Maya's prime return to form. This is one for the wild theory corner right next to the identity of so many narrators since some of them seem to speak from the future, and some from the present.

A boring answer would be the return to form for both Ami and Akira (which seems to be happening in update 0.40), or even that Ami is one of the narrators (less boring) - which is also a theory, be it the Mega Ami, or even her being the world itself since it seems that Ami being left alone in a doomed world is a common theme.

Of course a problem with all of that is that the narrator that stops the auto-mode says that "wires can only take you so far" or something. And I can't remember anyone else other than Sekai being involved with Wires in a way that would invoke that comment.

If I recall correctly, Sekai's return seems to have been an effort started by Wires with the recovery of Akira's memories (she shows up as a shadow during the flashback). But then her actual return happens during summer (in which she seems to have saved Akira), and is only in spring that she's showing up all the time.

And a last one that I don't really buy, but for the sake of inclusion: I haven't organized it yet, but I have found some evidence to suggest that Akira and Sekai (or one of the Sekais) might have been fused. AmIOKay refers to Akira as Sekai at one point, there have been narrators that confused themselves with Akira himself saying things like "I, no, I mean him", and the general understanding that Sekai has always been following him - or maybe that simply her influence on him was so great that a part of him became her reflection idk - my point is that there is also a possibility that "us" could simply be the royal we, indicating both Sekai and Akira as parts of the same being.
 
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First of all, welcome. Secondly, I'd prefer for it to be Himawari, that was my first assumption when rewarching the event - it's the return to form that I have problem with I guess.

Sekai's return seems to be one of the longest and most important arcs in the game. I'm unsure who else's return to form would it be, especially because it's said that Akira wants it with that exact expression.
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Does the particular phrase "return to form" or some variation appear before Chapter 4? I don't remember Sekai's restoration being referred to in that way.

In "The Clod and the Pebble" it certainly seems that (a version of) Sekai uses that phrase in reference to herself:
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In any case, my strongest reason for thinking it's Himawari in "Miserably Ever After" is the Ayane affection easter egg in an event that doesn't involve Ayani or (unless she's the narrator) Himawari. And the only(?) other time that happened was to open a conversation with Himawari. But I can't rule out Selebus fucking with people who go looking for easter eggs.

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For the sake of argument, it could Maya's prime return to form. This is one for the wild theory corner right next to the identity of so many narrators since some of them seem to speak from the future, and some from the present.
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I agree it's unlikely, but there could be evidence supporting it:
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If I recall correctly, Sekai's return seems to have been an effort started by Wires with the recovery of Akira's memories (she shows up as a shadow during the flashback).
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What event are you referring to here? I've been working on a theory that Wires had been acting to prevent the return of (at least one version of) Sekai, and this might throw a wrench into things.
 
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Sure she may be annoying at times, but I still can't help but feel bad for Tsukasa here... and honestly just in general.

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Ugh, so fuckin' sad, dude! Like sure okay, she's a brat, but honestly in Tsukasa's case I can understand why and look past it.

Edit: Not to mention the fact that Tsubasa literally calls her expendable later in the very same event chain. Mother of the year I think we can all agree.

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Sure she may be annoying at times, but I still can't help but feel bad for Tsukasa here... and honestly just in general.

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Ugh, so fuckin' sad, dude! Like sure okay, she's a brat, but honestly in Tsukasa's case I can understand why and look past it.

Edit: Not to mention the fact that Tsubasa literally calls her expendable later in the very same event chain. Mother of the year I think we can all agree.

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Yeah Tsukasa initially comes on like a spoiled brat but that gets pulled back pretty quickly once you figure out how she's kind of viewed/treated by her family. Plus, she's goddamn hilarious and her showing up to proclaim Akira is her husband later making Touka get SUPER jealous was amazingly entertaining.
 
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Hey. I decided to start the game again from the very beginning and immediately came across a scene that I didn’t remember in the first playthrough.

Now I'm a little confused.

Apparently in that scene where Akira sees Ami, Sekai is actually there, and she definitely got pregnant.
This looks like Sekai's room
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But I didn’t quite understand what kind of egg this was and who Ami 2 was!?

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This is a reference to the fact that Akira is Ami's father or Sekai's attempt to return through being born from Ami...

And here, Maya is also trolling Sensei
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Has anyone figured this out?
 
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And back to "who the hell is this narrator" game:

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I mean, this has to be Maya, right? It can't be Himawari. It can't be Sekai either. They had a home together, she laid on his chest, it was clearly a relationship where he had more power. I guess it could be Ami, but Ami would never have become forgettable.

Maya had a home with him, actually, it was her only home. Akira was her first and only love. She became a lifejacket to him after Sekai died. The implications about his are huge though. Cause if it is Maya, then Maya prime survived and is somehow observing the cycles as well.

Also, regarding their first meeting being on that vendingmachine she takes him too after carrying boxes:
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aramaug said:
Does the particular phrase "return to form" or some variation appear before Chapter 4? I don't remember Sekai's restoration being referred to in that way.
What event are you referring to here? I've been working on a theory that Wires had been acting to prevent the return of (at least one version of) Sekai, and this might throw a wrench into things.
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Return to form is something from chapter 4, the US is seen before relating to Sekai and Akira though. From here on is about the events i'm referencing:

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This is the first time Sekai was "seen" by Akira in game. And it could double on the theory that present Akira sort of is Sekai as well, since that's his own shadow and young Akira is seeing him.

Then we have Noodles and Himawari present on Sekai's return - granted, Noodles could just be observing, and Himawari could just be making sure his head doesn't explode.

On an unrelated noted, take notice of the red and green being her colors apparently, as they are both colors from Nao's eyes. No idea what 1+1=3 is though, probably a reference to the rope between dark and light also being a god since this is still in chapter 2.
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Anyway, I'm not sure if Wires is for or against Sekai's return, but he definitely seems involved in Akira's memories returning. If Sekai was an unintended consequence or part of his plans I don't know. Same goes for Himawari, as her primary personal directive (other than her survival) seems to be protecting him from breaking/unnecessary pain - basically everytime Himawari or Himawarico appears is damage control (with the exception of Ayane).

Now to something very unrelated, rewatching spotless mind really makes you think about Wires being someone we know, he seems so caring about Akira there. Probably just a misdirection but still, it's eerie - especially since his actions there seem to mirror Noriko's.
 
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Apparently in that scene where Akira sees Ami, Sekai is actually there, and she definitely got pregnant.
This looks like Sekai's room
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First and foremost, several things here you claimed to observe are unconfirmed: Sekai's presence in Am I Awake?, Sekai henceforth getting pregnant, or that room being Sekai's room. In fact for the room it's more implied to be Sensei's childhood room. As for the first two, give us your thought on why you think Sekai was there.
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Egg is something heavily used in LiL but its meaning or implication has not been revealed; assuming that egg is someone or something is simply too early.
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This is a reference to the fact that Akira is Ami's father or Sekai's attempt to return through being born from Ami...
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Would you mind sharing your thoughts on this reference you quoted? I don't see how you arrive to your conclusion with this dialogue, especially the "Sekai's return via being born from Ami". It might be a hot theory but this reference doesn't really support it until you do your part of articulation.
 
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Return to form is something from chapter 4, the US is seen before relating to Sekai and Akira though. From here on is about the events i'm referencing:

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This is the first time Sekai was "seen" by Akira in game. And it could double on the theory that present Akira sort of is Sekai as well, since that's his own shadow and young Akira is seeing him.

Then we have Noodles and Himawari present on Sekai's return - granted, Noodles could just be observing, and Himawari could just be making sure his head doesn't explode.

On an unrelated noted, take notice of the red and green being her colors apparently, as they are both colors from Nao's eyes. No idea what 1+1=3 is though, probably a reference to the rope between dark and light also being a god since this is still in chapter 2.
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Anyway, I'm not sure if Wires is for or against Sekai's return, but he definitely seems involved in Akira's memories returning. If Sekai was an unintended consequence or part of his plans I don't know. Same goes for Himawari, as her primary personal directive (other than her survival) seems to be protecting him from breaking/unnecessary pain - basically everytime Himawari or Himawarico appears is damage control (with the exception of Ayane).

Now to something very unrelated, rewatching spotless mind really makes you think about Wires being someone we know, he seems so caring about Akira there. Probably just a misdirection but still, it's eerie - especially since his actions there seem to mirror Noriko's.
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... Nao-Chan just might be an offspring made by Maya and Sekai ...
... or Nao-Chan might be another of our off-springs ...
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First and foremost, several things here you claimed to observe are unconfirmed: Sekai's presence in Am I Awake?, Sekai henceforth getting pregnant, or that room being Sekai's room. In fact for the room it's more implied to be Sensei's childhood room. As for the first two, give us your thought on why you think Sekai was there.
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Egg is something heavily used in LiL but its meaning or implication has not been revealed; assuming that egg is someone or something is simply too early.

Would you mind sharing your thoughts on this reference you quoted? I don't see how you arrive to your conclusion with this dialogue, especially the "Sekai's return via being born from Ami". It might be a hot theory but this reference doesn't really support it until you do your part of articulation.
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Well, for starters, what “Ami” said to Sensei + during the sex scene, the background changed to something similar to a grave, and Akira feels as if Ami’s insides are turning into something completely different......
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Then, by the way, it becomes clearer why Sekai often appears with Nodles and Himawari, who is also his daughter in this world.

Although if this is his room, then everything becomes even more unclear.
 
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