I see. I don't think the Selebus has much of a choice in the matter regarding patreon policies, at the end of the day their word is law. However I still believe the game won't change much one way or another so I wouldn't worry too much.
He doesn't, he either has to get rid of the niece/uncle relationship of Sensei and Ami, literally the only point that comes anywhere near incest, and that's pushing it unless we get confirmation that the Sensei we play as is the exact same person she knows and not just someone else in his body, since the beginning very clearly seems to make it out like he's a totally different person, and probably has to 'age up' any character that's flat, as little sense as that makes because boob size is not an indicator of age, especially if the girl has a family history of smaller boobs and doesn't eat enough fat to counter the genetic aspect of it.
Honestly, the ones that need to change are the people with severely outdated notions of what indicates age, outdated meaning any notion that predates the knowledge of how boobs change size as it is today, and who think pixels on a screen deserve any rights or protections. As far as I'm concerned, if it doesn't show signs of sentience, meaning at least feral intelligence like some wild animals and preferably human level intelligence, it deserves none of the rights and protections afforded to real people and animals.
I have faith it won't change all that much and that there will be something to maintain the way it is now, but with things like this, I need to be sure. Faith isn't going to cut it once aspects of how my money is spent get involved and they have gotten involved in this case, so only time will tell what happens next for both the game and how I respond.
I can't guarantee I won't stop supporting and playing, but I can say I will give it a chance and will decide when the time comes to check out the result and how it gets handled.
We are killing humans in games and this is problem ? Funny .killing humans ok but sex is not ? I dont understand that logic .Killing even worse than rape and incest ,atleast to me. Also They ok with yuri but not incest ? Incest and Yuri is same in logic .you cant stop them if they're Adult .well ami is not adult but incest isnt that bad in games.
Western mentality in a nutshell, murder on the screen is fine, but have someone naked in a game or in a sexual situation and some people start screaming like the world is on fire. I fail to understand it, too. It just makes no sense why we are like this in 2021 of all times.
If i were you i'd press them exactly on this point, how is it that "Lolita" is acceptable content but much tamer dialogue from your game isn't?
Patreon has been know to back off at times when creators start asking these questions.
We do have to be careful with this approach, though. It could also backfire and cause them to think he is defying them, meaning instant termination and putting the game in danger of being abandoned for funding loss, even with the SubscribeStar. Then again, maybe the then former patrons will move to SubscribeStar and save the game from that fate.
I'll also add, consult with a lawyer. If Patreon isn't keeping their end of the terms of service, there may be legal recourse.
I totally agree with this and I do believe the only reason they haven't gotten in legal trouble for tactics like enforcing their policies off their site for games that are funded there is because nobody has had the guts to legally challenge them on it. If I were developing through Patreon, which I absolutely refuse to do BECAUSE they pull this crap, I would do it withiut question or hesitation.
I am one such person who does not back down, ever. They would have a legal battle on their hands as long as I was able to get a valid case to court and I would not accept settlement unless the terms are rescinding my suspension and discontinuing the practice of enforcing off site permanently along with their other shady practices.
We live in a society.
One where killing a single animal is much worse than a serial killer who has way too much fun with homicide.
Remember back in YandereDev's Video, where Ayane (the main protagonist) is hinted to have killed a small animal, and people just lost it. Because who cares that the premise of the game was eliminating your rivals (usually gruesomely), we want doggo.
Must be true. Subeles has a different profile picture and name from Selebus.
Wait, where'd he go anyway? Could have sworn I saw him not too long ago.
If you think Subeles and Selebus are the same, then you probably think Superman is Clark Kent and Batman is Bruce Wayne.
Pfft, you've got to be blind to not see the different spelling.
Oh yeah, I remember that and I was not one of the people who lost their minds about the freaking animal. I was actually interested in her having committed a murder in the first place as that added some meat to her story explain who Ayano actually is as a person.
Yep, it can't be Selebus, his picture is Ami, but I see Kaori here. This is not the developer you are looking for, you do not want to sell me death sticks, you want to go home and rethink your life. (Yes, I threw in as many Star Wars references as I could from mind trick moments).
Also, no, Superman as Clark Kent and Batman as Bruce Wayne? That's preposterous, nobody would believe that. Pics or it didn't happen.
This is Subeles. I have taken over the 18+ version of Lessons in Love. I am not Selebus. Selebus only makes the all-ages version. We are totally different people.
Ah yes, welcome Subeles.
I'm pretty sure that on discord announcements, Selebus mentioned that there will be a "restoration patch" that you'll be able to use on the patreon version, and the subscribestar version will be purely uncensored.
So basically the patreon version's gonna be censored as heck but you can undo all that damage if you take 5 minutes or so to apply the restoration patch
And by the way, it seems like a fan of selebus, who goes by the username
Subeles, will be uploading the restoration patch from now on
1) Patreon seems to discriminate against asian-influenced work, so that's probably why Nabokov's "Lolita" is fine. A novel made by a white person is good, but a game made using Koikatsu (which was made by asian people), is tainted by yellow people ideology so its bad. (And this is coming from a half japanese person)
2) You keep on using the pronoun
I, but I assume you mean @Selebus? Because
Subeles is just an innocent fan helping the real creator, right?
3) The censored version actually is great cause now I can play LiL when I'm in a plane or when my roommate comes back
Also I can finally tell my parents why I've been inspired to write again as of lately >_<
Praise be!
The key with the restoration patch method is whether Patreon finds out about it. Hypothetically speaking, because we all know the developers don't make the patch
, if Patreon can somehow connect the patch to the developer, they would then terminate the developer's page without a chance to discontinue the patch. Developers in violation of the Patreon ToS get one chance to
fix censor it and that chance does not include if they do what Patreon says and then develop a workaround method, it only includes
fixing censoring the content in violation in the first place and any attempt to get around it is defiance like any 'good' dictatorship.
That is why I am still on the fence despite what Selebus said, because I want to wait and see if they can connect any workaround to him instead of to Subeles.
1. Yes, Patreon does discriminate against Asian art styles, blatantly so, which quite frankly could also be reason to call them out on racism. They sure as hell don't do this to western art styles.
2. Yep, Subeles is just a fan, nothing to see here, certainly no developers, although he does have the tag. Maybe he is a developer, I would love to check his game if he is.
3. Hey, there's actually a silver lining for you, nice.
I know you guys are on discord more often so i wanna ask if it's in any way clear how we're gonna deal with Sensei's dialogue, Patreon says there can't be
any dialogue related to sex with "young looking girls", but that's about 60% of Sensei's shtick (double-entendres, straight-up sex talk with the girls, etc...) outside of sex scenes.
Does that mean we're getting different scripts altogether (or at the very least, a couple dozen lines apiece)?
Just removing the sex scenes seems like the easiest part here tbh
60? Now that's being generous to Patreon, there's a higher percentage than that. Despite the fact that LiL has never been sex focused like porn games, the actual dialogue is more sexual than 60% in total. This is still essentially gutting the game, as usual with Patreon.
Yes, he probably does have to rewrite the whole thing just to remove this offending text.
Oh no, the sex scenes aren't the only violating factor, that's the problem here. If it was just the sex scenes, he could easily just remove sex elements entirely as they aren't even necessary to the plot, they are known as side content for a reason. Unfortunately, I think appearances are in violation here, and not just clothing like with Harem Hotel's Ashley originally wearing a sailor uniform, often associated with the Japanese middle school level, to college. We're talking potential body changes that they are ordering him to make to
fix censor things.
Selebus is probably gonna replace entire character events where sex talk is present with a one-to-two-liner sarcasam.
But, a fan patch will be available on the
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to undo all the damage, for patreons and non-patreons alike. The wiki's so popular now that a quick google search "Lessons in Love Wiki" will have the wiki pop up
On top of that, I assume the subscribestar version will be completely uncensored and released to the public two weeks after patreons get it.
TLDR: Don't worry, uncensored version's always gonna be on subscribestar for free. I will post public uncensored versions on this site
For the patreons out there who support selebus, a patch will apparently be available on the wiki
Granted googling is all I've ever had to do to find the wiki. Thanks for the save, Subeles. I am worried about the SubscribeStar thing given Patreon's tendency to snoop and enforce the Patreon ToS on other sites, the SubscribeStar version may end up being censored as well and that will make the wiki the only place to uncensor the game.
I'm assuming that the sex scenes will still be present in the uncensored version right? Selebus is not just doing away with them altogether?
They're not necessarily fap worthy (aside from occasional moments of awoo~), but they're such a core element of the game that it'd honestly be crippled if they were removed entirely.
Edit: I'm glad the wiki will be given a new breath of air, hopefully it will be developed further.
They will be in the uncensored version, but not sure how you got them being a core element. They are and have always been entirely nonessential to the plot and the writing has always been what Selebus wanted us to focus on. That's the whole reason animations are restricted to repeatable scenes.
Don't worry
Nothing will be altered in the uncensored version. And going forward, uncensored LiL will also roll along with the same pace, quality, and type of content as before (discord info)
And hell, as far as I know, sex scenes will be even more liberal in the past because they'll be posted on third-party platforms (technically unaffiliated with Selebus) and thus not bound by any platform rules. In makes me kinda uncomfortable, but I think that now any character can potentially get a lewd scene (including Chinami and Tsukasa (spoiled rich brat's little sister), though those kinds of sex ain't my thing ).
That is correct, no more restrictions for any character based on site rules, take that , Patreon. *flips Patreon off, then does the anime thing where they pull down an eyelid and stick out their tongue*
That said, Patreon's tendency to unfairly dictate what can and can't be done to Patreon game version on other platforms still has me worried about a second coming of the hammer. There's also the issue that I'm not sure if Chinami and Tsukasa pass rule 7 here, so they may need a lewdpatcher patch for the version that inevitably makes its way here.
Actually, I am thrilled at the new outlook as far as content restrictions, especially Chinami and Tsukasa possibilities.
An annual game pass is now available in the
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for anyone who would prefer to support the game directly instead of doing it through a site like Patreon or SubscribeStar.
This is not a subscription and the charge will not reoccur next year. It is a one time purchase that adds you to a mailing list where you will receive every update directly from me as soon as it comes out.
You can choose a custom start date for the pass in the survey you receive after purchasing it. This will allow you to make the most out of your time if you're currently a supporter elsewhere and need to cancel your pledge there.
Hey, that's actually a brilliant idea. Seeing as I'm not supporting Selebus through the offending website, I don't think I need it, but I'll consider it as a possible backup system for notification and as further support toward the game.
