Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.42.0] [Selebus]

[Algorist]

I've had a theory for a while now.

Patreon only went after this game in November 2021. They didn't target a whole bunch of KK based games (even though they claimed it was the KK models looking so young that was the problem), and the other KK-based games with young-looking models were untouched at the time. So this wasn't a sweep, this was targeted, and that means the game was probably reported. And it was probably reported again after he got Huggy Boy out, because if someone's gonna be that petty, they're gonna be that petty twice.

And we know that some users here are petty. Hell, the instant leaks are being done mostly because he's made it clear that it upsets him, and if there's anything trolls love to do, it's continually activate people's triggers.

So yeah, I suspect that someone got banned from the Discord (see the screenshot from a post he made a couple weeks prior to the drama starting), and everything afterwards was petty revenge.

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Fair. So Patreon was just the murder weapon... Well, that's the cost of freely expressing your views without holding anything back. You're going to tick off a lot of people.

 

[KnowNoHope]

Everything? I don't recall anything of the Patreon or Itch.io issues being his doing, those were just for creating the game and he got targeted over the content, especially Itch.io, which if I remember correctly was some advocacy group targeting his game over the ages of characters, ages that until now haven't been confirmed officially and only a few have been confirmed even now.

yeah everything, you and others even acknowledge he antagonizes people before this shit started going down, this has nothing to do with if he was right or not. he does/says things that end up putting a foot up his arse. deserved or not isn't my point. i feel like he gets an unfair rep and isn't as bad as he is made out to be most of the time. but to say he didn't antagonize a crap ton of people with his behavior is delusional.

Very much so, but to be undeservedly fair to Patreon, they do rely on user reports of violations like most sites. We didn't see exactly who reported it, so it could have been anyone from a disgruntled patron to an actual anti-fiction activist (in this context, anti-fiction should be obvious, but to explain just in case, it is referring to people so vehemently against adult content with younger characters even though the characters they are against do not exist IRL that they make a move against the fiction depicting the character in that way, in this case reporting it to the anti-fiction site the fiction was hosted on).

I've had a theory for a while now.

Patreon only went after this game in November 2021. They didn't target a whole bunch of KK based games (even though they claimed it was the KK models looking so young that was the problem), and the other KK-based games with young-looking models were untouched at the time. So this wasn't a sweep, this was targeted, and that means the game was probably reported. And it was probably reported again after he got Huggy Boy out, because if someone's gonna be that petty, they're gonna be that petty twice.

And we know that some users here are petty. Hell, the instant leaks are being done mostly because he's made it clear that it upsets him, and if there's anything trolls love to do, it's continually activate people's triggers.

So yeah, I suspect that someone got banned from the Discord (see the screenshot from a post he made a couple weeks prior to the drama starting), and everything afterwards was petty revenge.

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[vehemental]

I mean, sure, they have all the right to enforce their rules accordingly. I was thinking more along the lines of the Huggy Boy fiasco (I'm not familiar with the finer points of what happened). Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've heard, Patreon led him to believe should he make Huggy Boy, everything would be fine. Until it wasn't. That's why he went ahead with such an insane idea in the first place. I remember seeing him complain about an unhelpful/rude Patreon staff member or something (probably the person who caused the "misunderstanding").

It this is what really happened, it certainly would fit 'to fuck someone over.' Patreon could've merely kicked him sooner, he'd have adapted earlier to another platform, and it'd have spared him the ridiculous job of modifying the game to a shitty version to please Patreon.

Since they allow games with adult content, it doesn't make any sense that someone at Patreon would have directly told him to remove all of it. At the same time, apart from the blatant incest, they probably weren't able to draw a line at exactly what constituted an underage-looking character - because how can you?

So while removing it may have been the only way he might have been reinstated, since they also don't allow off-site patches to add content they disallow, the whole plan was very obviously never going to work to anyone who wasn't irrationally desperate to retain their supporters on the best crowdfunding platform.

Put yourself in the Patreon rep's shoes - if someone rewrote their game to become such a ridiculously stupid parody of itself, and plans to patch it off-site were already on the public Discord before the appeal was resolved, you would correctly think they were insulting your intelligence. And if you were that Patreon rep's manager and they asked you what they should do in that situation, you'd probably tell them just to ban the dev permanently and cut off all contact instead of dealing with such a blatant bad-faith actor any further.

He went ahead with such an insane idea because he's greedy and thought he'd lose money going to another platform (it was only temporary), he's stubborn, and he thinks he's the smartest person in every room he's in - not because anyone at Patreon promised him it would work.

He treated the people at Patreon like NPCs and got rightfully burned for it. Nothing more. And he felt so personally aggrieved at the situation that it's enshrined seemingly forever in an event inside of his own game.

 

[vehemental]

I've had a theory for a while now.

Patreon only went after this game in November 2021. They didn't target a whole bunch of KK based games (even though they claimed it was the KK models looking so young that was the problem), and the other KK-based games with young-looking models were untouched at the time. So this wasn't a sweep, this was targeted, and that means the game was probably reported. And it was probably reported again after he got Huggy Boy out, because if someone's gonna be that petty, they're gonna be that petty twice.

And we know that some users here are petty. Hell, the instant leaks are being done mostly because he's made it clear that it upsets him, and if there's anything trolls love to do, it's continually activate people's triggers.

So yeah, I suspect that someone got banned from the Discord (see the screenshot from a post he made a couple weeks prior to the drama starting), and everything afterwards was petty revenge.

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The schadenfreude deepens. Of course it was one of his biggest patrons he was a dick to instead of just being random chance. OF COURSE

"I honestly just love being sarcastic and argumentative," he says - but when that exact same attitude is directed at his behavior, it's because we're obsessed with him. Hmm

You know - the deeper it gets, the less actual pushback I get, and the more I think of that completely nonsensical rant he posted in Discord a few days ago in response to my posts, the more I think that what I'm dealing with is a person with the attitude and social awareness of an actual child.

I should probably be more merciful.

 

[Algorist]

Since they allow games with adult content, it doesn't make any sense that someone at Patreon would have directly told him to remove all of it. At the same time, apart from the blatant incest, they probably weren't able to draw a line at exactly what constituted an underage-looking character - because how can you?

So while removing it may have been the only way he might have been reinstated, since they also don't allow off-site patches to add content they disallow, the whole plan was very obviously never going to work to anyone who wasn't irrationally desperate to retain their supporters on the best crowdfunding platform.

Put yourself in the Patreon rep's shoes - if someone rewrote their game to become such a ridiculously stupid parody of itself, and plans to patch it off-site were already on the public Discord before the appeal was resolved, you would correctly think they were insulting your intelligence. And if you were that Patreon rep's manager and they asked you what they should do in that situation, you'd probably tell them just to ban the dev permanently and cut off all contact instead of dealing with such a blatant bad-faith actor any further.

He went ahead with such an insane idea because he's greedy and thought he'd lose money going to another platform (it was only temporary), he's stubborn, and he thinks he's the smartest person in every room he's in - not because anyone at Patreon promised him it would work.

He treated the people at Patreon like NPCs and got rightfully burned for it. Nothing more. And he felt so personally aggrieved at the situation that it's enshrined seemingly forever in an event inside of his own game.

Okay, you have convinced me. There's no way the Huggy Boy "trick" would ever work.

 

[Rasc]

Going through the first care package right now and what did Selebus do to get banned from the Harem Hotel Discord?

 

[Bingoogus]

Alright, i'm bored so lets have some random theorising.

Who do you think will next be getting speared on Sensei's very large penis and why?

Whomsts do you think will next be having a threesome with Sensei and his very large penis?

I forget, does anyone have anal content? If not, who do you think will take it first? If there is, who do you think will take it next? It is a very large penis.

Who do you think would have the funniest reaction to first seeing Sensei's very large penis?

Very large penis.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Alright, i'm bored so lets have some random theorising.

Who do you think will next be getting speared on Sensei's very large penis and why?

Whomsts do you think will next be having a threesome with Sensei and his very large penis?

I forget, does anyone have anal content? If not, who do you think will take it first? If there is, who do you think will take it next? It is a very large penis.

Who do you think would have the funniest reaction to first seeing Sensei's very large penis?

Very large penis.

Next stabbing victim: Either Noriko or Molly
Next threesome: Consenting: Chika/Yumi. Angel-induces zombie threesome: Niki/Noriko. Kirin-related trauma threesome: Kirin/Io
Next Anal Stabbing: Ayane. I think there's only anal content for Ami right now, and Ayane's the character that actually needs a way to take the D that can't get her pregnant right now.
Reaction: Yasu. "He told me you would fill me with His love, but the only thing you're going to fill me with is pain"

 

[alex2011]

yeah everything, you and others even acknowledge he antagonizes people before this shit started going down, this has nothing to do with if he was right or not. he does/says things that end up putting a foot up his arse. deserved or not isn't my point. i feel like he gets an unfair rep and isn't as bad as he is made out to be most of the time. but to say he didn't antagonize a crap ton of people with his behavior is delusional.

Again, though, I cite Patreon and Itch.io as cases where it was a third party, all he did was develop the game.

Since they allow games with adult content, it doesn't make any sense that someone at Patreon would have directly told him to remove all of it. At the same time, apart from the blatant incest, they probably weren't able to draw a line at exactly what constituted an underage-looking character - because how can you?

So while removing it may have been the only way he might have been reinstated, since they also don't allow off-site patches to add content they disallow, the whole plan was very obviously never going to work to anyone who wasn't irrationally desperate to retain their supporters on the best crowdfunding platform.

Put yourself in the Patreon rep's shoes - if someone rewrote their game to become such a ridiculously stupid parody of itself, and plans to patch it off-site were already on the public Discord before the appeal was resolved, you would correctly think they were insulting your intelligence. And if you were that Patreon rep's manager and they asked you what they should do in that situation, you'd probably tell them just to ban the dev permanently and cut off all contact instead of dealing with such a blatant bad-faith actor any further.

He went ahead with such an insane idea because he's greedy and thought he'd lose money going to another platform (it was only temporary), he's stubborn, and he thinks he's the smartest person in every room he's in - not because anyone at Patreon promised him it would work.

He treated the people at Patreon like NPCs and got rightfully burned for it. Nothing more. And he felt so personally aggrieved at the situation that it's enshrined seemingly forever in an event inside of his own game.

Speaking to the issue of telling age, there's the potential for the school setting to have been their red flag, that's how Harem Hotel got flagged before and it was because a character was wearing a uniform often associated with middle/junior high school in Japan. In the case of Harem Hotel, it was a lot clearer what their problem was and the fix was outright stated, which then resulted in the removal of that uniform as an actual school outfit for the character. In the case of LiL, they wear school uniforms that can be seen at the high school level in Japan, but there are also two characters that are pretty blatantly at a Patreon forbidden apparent age.

There was also an attempt to ban the art style of Koikatsu and any other anime based one by Patreon for this very reason, though it got serious backlash causing it to fail.

Going through the first care package right now and what did Selebus do to get banned from the Harem Hotel Discord?

He's banned in the Harem Hotel Discord? As I am not in that server and all my Harem Hotel news comes from F95, this is the first I'm hearing of it.

 

[Bingoogus]

Reaction: Yasu. "He told me you would fill me with His love, but the only thing you're going to fill me with is pain"

You fucking murdered my poor smoker's lungs bro.

 

[ocworld]

he thinks he's the smartest person in every room he's in - not because anyone at Patreon promised him it would work.

I'm actually surprised that he knows pirate resources that even pirates shouldn't know.He's always looking for loopholes to avoid the law.

Going through the first care package right now and what did Selebus do to get banned from the Harem Hotel Discord?

You're doing it now.

He's banned in the Harem Hotel Discord? As I am not in that server and all my Harem Hotel news comes from F95, this is the first I'm hearing of it.

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[Bingoogus]

Alright, i'm bored so lets have some random theorising.

Who do you think will next be getting speared on Sensei's very large penis and why?

Whomsts do you think will next be having a threesome with Sensei and his very large penis?

I forget, does anyone have anal content? If not, who do you think will take it first? If there is, who do you think will take it next? It is a very large penis.

Who do you think would have the funniest reaction to first seeing Sensei's very large penis?

Very large penis.

Come on, only Bargle replied, where's the rest of the usual gang? There's a very large penis roaming about and i need to know what you think is going to happen to it.

 

[Wardtnaci]

Alright, i'm bored so lets have some random theorising.

Who do you think will next be getting speared on Sensei's very large penis and why?

Whomsts do you think will next be having a threesome with Sensei and his very large penis?

I forget, does anyone have anal content? If not, who do you think will take it first? If there is, who do you think will take it next? It is a very large penis.

Who do you think would have the funniest reaction to first seeing Sensei's very large penis?

Very large penis.

Come on, only Bargle replied, where's the rest of the usual gang? There's a very large penis roaming about and i need to know what you think is going to happen to it.

Next stabbing victim: Either Noriko or Molly
Next threesome: Consenting: Chika/Yumi. Angel-induces zombie threesome: Niki/Noriko. Kirin-related trauma threesome: Kirin/Io
Next Anal Stabbing: Ayane. I think there's only anal content for Ami right now, and Ayane's the character that actually needs a way to take the D that can't get her pregnant right now.
Reaction: Yasu. "He told me you would fill me with His love, but the only thing you're going to fill me with is pain"

This made me laugh too, though my smokers cough is long behind me in the past.

Next Stabbing: Miku &/or Noriko since both can earn lust points, well Noriko can't but her "noriko_lust" Var. is set to "0" instead of "N/A" @ start of game.

Next 3some: Maki with another Milf, maybe Sara or Rika; or maybe 4some with Maki, Haruka & Sara. Or an all girl 3some of Rika with Wakana & Osako.

non lust point earning lust scene: Sana getting awkwardly caught using the Quadrildo that causes funny exchange of dialogue which leads to a size comparison of Penis Vs. Quadrildo; and Sana saying something like: "Penis too big! Sticking with Quadrildo!!"

The rest of what Barg. said I agree with.

Almost done with Cp. 2

 

[Bingoogus]

"Penis too big sticking with Quadrildo!"

Laughed pretty hard to that one too, though not as hard as Bargle's... i feel like, personally, my money would be on Yumi, i'd expect something like Sensei pulling down his trousers and Yumi just staring at it for a few seconds before going "...nope" and getting dressed, muttering "fuck that..." as she leaves the room.

 

[Wardtnaci]

Quick Question: Are survey question in "Spotless Mind" the puzzle answers for "A Life of Prizes"?

Spoiler: Ignore this only my answers for later reference

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[alex2011]

I'm actually surprised that he knows pirate resources that even pirates shouldn't know.He's always looking for loopholes to avoid the law.

You're doing it now.

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Ah, so it was for no good reason. This is the kind of thing I am talking about when I say I would only drop a game if the developer is throwing some real heat. This would be the second thing that irked me, the first was a politically charged comment undoubtedly directed at me when I tried to warn him of potential issues with doing certain things, a comment where he also talked badly about this game in the same manner as this ban we're talking about. Don't get me wrong, Harem Hotel is good, but that's becoming less and less satisfactory to me to continue with the game at all.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention, I have much to consider.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Laughed pretty hard to that one too, though not as hard as Bargle's... i feel like, personally, my money would be on Yumi, i'd expect something like Sensei pulling down his trousers and Yumi just staring at it for a few seconds before going "...nope" and getting dressed, muttering "fuck that..." as she leaves the room.

She's already seen it, though.

 

[KnowNoHope]

Ah, so it was for no good reason. This is the kind of thing I am talking about when I say I would only drop a game if the developer is throwing some real heat. This would be the second thing that irked me, the first was a politically charged comment undoubtedly directed at me when I tried to warn him of potential issues with doing certain things, a comment where he also talked badly about this game in the same manner as this ban we're talking about. Don't get me wrong, Harem Hotel is good, but that's becoming less and less satisfactory to me to continue with the game at all.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention, I have much to consider.

soooo the exact things selebus already does... is the kind thing that would get you to abandon this game... lol

Again, though, I cite Patreon and Itch.io as cases where it was a third party, all he did was develop the game.

again i cite yourself when you admited that it was a high possibility the patreon and itch.io fiasco's were done in retaliation by a jilted discord member/consumer. thus making the root cause something selebus did or said. regardless of if he was right or not

 

[ocworld]

Ah, so it was for no good reason.

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[Bingoogus]

She's already seen it, though.

Fuck, you're right, well... if it hadn't been for that scene that'd be a funny way for her to react.