PhiloPhilo

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I don't think I ever talked about it, but if I recall correctly, on the reset that first brings winter, Akira sees Ami being reset on top of him - and she seems aware of what's happening. It's possible that that's an Ami thing, but it could also be possible that during the reset process, the girls somehow remember previous times or become aware of what's happening.
She also starts resetting in front of Akira, Maya and Ayane, doesn't she? And Maya states that she's "Fucking disintegrating" after she ushers her into her room I believe, implying Maya say or knows
 
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Thanks, I got that part, but for some reason I can't seem to get to these scenes. I've tried replaying every label in the menu with makoto's name but I can't find out what these scenes in the replay menu are. (similar for some other girls like ayane and nodoka)
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You didn't change anything "in your save" if you only replay the scene using the script name. To change a missed event to "completed", modify its event parameter to true and its skip parameter to false via Variable Names will do the trick.

For example, set makotofutabafuntimelustevent = TRUE and makotofutabalustskip = FALSE then the first : ( will be revealed.

Edit: I haven't figured out what to do with the second : (. If you want you can jump to makotovsmolly (second half of Makoto's The Pit of Despair) and let the scene run. This counts as you completing the scene. BE WARNED that this also counts as you initiating this event one more time and it might set your save to a weird state.


Edit2: Aha I found it! set makotonodowin = TRUE to unlock the second : (
 
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DeSkel15

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Just to throw this out there, there's something I don't think has been talked about when it comes to Io's recent events.

It wasn't necessarily about her. By that, I mean it was about Uta:
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Io looks up to Uta, and believes she would actually be dead if she never met her:
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So, it seems like Io was trying to protect Uta from Sensei, by becoming Sensei's tool, after finding out that he's holding on to a wizard pic of Uta.

In other words: Io was trying to keep him from fucking up Uta, by offering herself.

It's all she had to offer:
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The "parenting" stuff just forced her to stop being in denial about him. He reminded her of her mother. Then he could even use the same words she did:
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In another timeline, this may have ended on a happy note:
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But, even leaving may lead to problems. Albeit, I suppose we'll see.
 
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She also starts resetting in front of Akira, Maya and Ayane, doesn't she? And Maya states that she's "Fucking disintegrating" after she ushers her into her room I believe, implying Maya say or knows
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DeSkel15

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Blech, that single image man, why you gotta go and post that and put it all up in my brain space again... that stare is a psychological weapon...
It just somewhat fit the point I was aiming for. I also wanted to add the "Ugh...I really hope this doesn't become a regular thing." thought from Io, but I figured that one would be a little unnecessary.

Good to know that some people aren't numb to stuff like this, though.
 

Riolol

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It just somewhat fit the point I was aiming for. I also wanted to add the "Ugh...I really hope this doesn't become a regular thing." thought from Io, but I figured that one would be a little unnecessary.

Good to know that some people aren't numb to stuff like this, though.
It restored my faith in humanity that nobody here reacted well to the Io thing. Well at the very least if anyone actually enjoyed that scene they knew well enough to keep it to themselves. That stare still turns my stomach, the scene is well named I'll give Selly that.
 

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It restored my faith in humanity that nobody here reacted well to the Io thing. Well at the very least if anyone actually enjoyed that scene they knew well enough to keep it to themselves. That stare still turns my stomach, the scene is well named I'll give Selly that.
I didn't think it was possible to top the psychological ick factor of the scene with Kirin and wrecked-on-benzos Miku, but...yep, that did it. And yeaaaah, that was definitely not a thing written with the intent of being the slightest bit arousing, which is very different from "not my thing but someone might get off on it", or even the "obvious bad end option" you get sometimes. Like there's a few infamous fanfics out there that are objectively just as or more horrifying, but very obviously written for someone to enjoy (a certain 40k one jumps to mind just because I peripherally knew the author), that scene with Io was more like the author smacking you with a rolled-up newspaper.
 

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I'm trying to play through Chapter 2 again and the knowledge that "Stomachache" is looming in the future makes some of Io's events so fucking depressing, instead of wholesome and touching like on a first playthrough. From "Amongst Other Things":
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It doesn't bode well for what's coming in the next updates that she thinks she'll "just die" if Sensei fails her. Though honestly suicide and a reset of her memories (a la "Bluejay") might be the least depressing path forward for her. Anything is better than this abuse becoming, as she puts it, "a regular thing".
 

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I have put together some thoughts about the Io events, Its probably going to be a bit disjointed though as I don't think I have fully formed my thoughts on it yet. Some of it is similar to what DeSkel15 just posted. And I do hope it does not come off as reductive of insensitive for whatever reason.

To start with just some thoughts on the way Io has been written and other general stuff that came to mind:
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And now some possible observations and interpretations on Io's motivations/state of mind.(probably too many images)
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Just to throw this out there, there's something I don't think has been talked about when it comes to Io's recent events.

It wasn't necessarily about her. By that, I mean it was about Uta:
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Io looks up to Uta, and believes she would actually be dead if she never met her:
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So, it seems like Io was trying to protect Uta from Sensei, by becoming Sensei's tool, after finding out that he's holding on to a wizard pic of Uta.

In other words: Io was trying to keep him from fucking up Uta, by offering herself.

It's all she had to offer:
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The "parenting" stuff just forced her to stop being in denial about him. He reminded her of her mother. Then he could even use the same words she did:
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In another timeline, this may have ended on a happy note:
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But, even leaving may lead to problems. Albeit, I suppose we'll see.
I have not said that, but everything I said about it fits very well with this. By that I mean that Io spearheaded the whole conversation, shot down every Akira attempt to disengage, and was overall dead-set on it happening. Also that she was out of her mind the whole time since the moment Akira tried to justify Ami being important to him by using a comparison. All of those fit with her being on a mission.

I don't think Uta was the sole reason, since if it was, Io would be incredibly misguided (if not stupid). Uta never needed this help, since Akira being the way he is is ultimately good for her. Uta herself says that, in prior conversations with Io, it was Io that seemed intent on Uta dealing with this news in a manner that was very different from what she seemed to take from it. But I think we can all agree that Io wasn't thinking straight, and that in that sense protecting Uta was certainly part of it, since she said it herself (it just doesn't doesn't match with reality, but then again, barely anything about the stomachace conversation matches with reality because Io hardly listens to Akira).

I think there's a chance Io won't be ruined from this, but I think it would be interesting/ironic/tragic for her to be ruined form realising that her efforts were absolutely misguided. Uta never needed her "protection", and Akira, having been molested as well, would never have left her because of that. In that case, either she went through with it for no reason, or she "tarnished" herself by vomiting her entire backstory on him, pressuring him to have sex (which he refuses), and ultimately she would also have put herself in that position for no reason. Selebus might choose that route to link both options.

Unintended though they may have been however, Io's events had one important repercussion, which was the way Akira handled Uta's conversation. Uta already didn't have much of a problem with it, and was really just confirming. But the fact that Akira breaks down in front of her definitely makes Uta's decision easier, as she can relate better to someone that displays being actively broken about these issues than if Akira had been more composed (like it was not a problem for him).

If the timeline was also reversed, I think it lends credence to your take, because if during the conversation Akira had been "Io, Uta's fine with it, we already talked" - Io would be hard-pressed not to slow down. I don't know that she'd give up, but it would definitely change things (just as Akira's Sekai's reveal forces her to slow down as well). In that same token, if Akira had actively broken down in front of her, that would probably have also changed things.

As it is, Io was dealt a bad hand and made sure to make the worst of it. And in doing so, she ended up providing Uta and whoever came later with a better hand by default.

On a final note, a wonder to which extent the world itself/whoever speaks to Nodoka foresaw/intended for this event so that Akira could reveal Sekai to someone for the first time:
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The event is called "trauma bond", Akira is the only one that would have the same trauma as Io, and what Nodoka says can be completed as "spilling traumautic events from a character's past would serve no purpose other than to serve as trigger to have the protagonist talk to them about it in a one-on-one conversation later". Which is what she tried to do, but was rejected, and that served as a trigger for Akira to have the conversation she wanted to have. If not for Nodoka, even with Uta's picture, Io's events would never have happened. Was that happenstance however? Or was it by design?
 

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I'm trying to play through Chapter 2 again and the knowledge that "Stomachache" is looming in the future makes some of Io's events so fucking depressing, instead of wholesome and touching like on a first playthrough. From "Amongst Other Things":
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It doesn't bode well for what's coming in the next updates that she thinks she'll "just die" if Sensei fails her. Though honestly suicide and a reset of her memories (a la "Bluejay") might be the least depressing path forward for her. Anything is better than this abuse becoming, as she puts it, "a regular thing".
(I guess this turned into a motivational post, well, we all deserve it after this update.)

We'll be fine.
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Sometimes the breaking is so impactful that we lose focus of the big picture. But, it can be just another step in order for us to reopen the wound and address it properly.
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Or to be put into a situation where we're forced to face things we'd rather not.
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We're just at another breaking part right now. Light shines on things too untasteful to be brought out willingly. And out of shock and desperation we deal with them in the worst possible ways.
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But we'll be fine. Remember to smile.
 
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