Nope, first this is a type of horror game called a Denpa game, second those are part of the main plot, a very important part.
There are two locations for the saves.
- One in the ./game/saves path of the game
- C:\Users\YourUser\AppData\Roaming\RenPy\Test2-1577602671
The second problem of why you're not seeing the save, is that you must check on that page of the save files. For example, if the save is named 26-4-LT1.save then that save will show up on Page 26 on the 4th slot.
Just popping in to say that I'm glad there are still so many people here speaking out against piracy and the damage it causes to the industry.
Everyone obviously has the freedom to do what they want and, given the nature of this forum, most people are here for the express purpose of downloading pirated copies of games. And while that's all fine and dandy, I'd like to once again implore those people to stop attempting to justify it as some sort of harmless act and encouraging others to do it as well.
Piracy does not affect me the way it affects many other creators. It's the reason the majority of Eastern visual novels, even many of the critically acclaimed ones, are released at a loss. And while I'm proud to say I am doing exceptionally well financially, it does not change the fact that it destroys the motivations of livelihoods of many other creators and companies.
There is a reason stealing is illegal- and pirating a video game is no different than wandering into a store and taking a product without paying for it. I obviously can not force anyone to do anything, but I happily encourage and endorse the rest of the people on here who agree with my stance to continue speaking out and educating others about how stealing things from hardworking people is not something to be proud of.
Now, if you'll please excuse me, I will silently go back to putting out more content than entire teams of developers do all by myself. Support the game if you like it or, at the very least, stop bashing the people just trying to encourage others to stop stealing. You sound silly.
0.19.0 Part 2 (Beach Update #2) releases for $5 patrons on 10/1/21 and probably here sometime after that because yeah.
Everyone obviously has the freedom to do what they want and, given the nature of this forum, most people are here for the express purpose of downloading pirated copies of games. And while that's all fine and dandy, I'd like to once again implore those people to stop attempting to justify it as some sort of harmless act and encouraging others to do it as well.
Piracy does not affect me the way it affects many other creators. It's the reason the majority of Eastern visual novels, even many of the critically acclaimed ones, are released at a loss. And while I'm proud to say I am doing exceptionally well financially, it does not change the fact that it destroys the motivations of livelihoods of many other creators and companies.
There is a reason stealing is illegal- and pirating a video game is no different than wandering into a store and taking a product without paying for it. I obviously can not force anyone to do anything, but I happily encourage and endorse the rest of the people on here who agree with my stance to continue speaking out and educating others about how stealing things from hardworking people is not something to be proud of.
Now, if you'll please excuse me, I will silently go back to putting out more content than entire teams of developers do all by myself. Support the game if you like it or, at the very least, stop bashing the people just trying to encourage others to stop stealing. You sound silly.
0.19.0 Part 2 (Beach Update #2) releases for $5 patrons on 10/1/21 and probably here sometime after that because yeah.
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It'd be different in the case of you would be taking a physical product that has a finite amount in real life, compared to something that has an infinite amount online.
But aside from that
But aside from that
Theft is theft, electronic or physical does not matter, it does the same damage.It'd be different in the case of you would be taking a physical product that has a finite amount in real life, compared to something that has an infinite amount online.
But aside from that
Indeed, I do still support the ability to choose to do it, but I agree that that choice comes with definite consequences for the developer, you in this case, and possible consequences for the pirate, assuming the pirate is caught in the act, that is. My complaints aren't meant to stop piracy, only to educate on the detriment such an act is to the industry as a whole, especially to small developers, and the morality of that choice. To me, I care more about this game than any other when it comes to piracy, but I generally don't mind. However, the people who do it absolutely should be aware of the morality of the act and the harm it causes if they are going to do it, that is my whole point in speaking against it. Big companies like EA can take the hits, some small developers can't.
You're right about the 'wandering into a store' part. Just because it is electronic doesn't make it not theft and all theft is morally wrong and causes economic damage. I cannot force anyone to stop, either, nor would I want to as my value of the freedom to choose is still greater than my will to actively try to stop the inevitable. If that is how you feel about the on and off spats we have here, then I will gladly continue as I have been. I am not proud to be an admitted pirate, or a pirate at all. Never have been and never will be, either. Nobody should take pride in such a morally corrupt act. I regret that I ever find it necessary to commit piracy, usually due to a lack of legal means to get the product, especially when I did it to Lessons in Love.
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Sure, wasn't saying that it wasn't theft, was just saying it IS fundamentally different.
Only in method, other than one being physical and one being electronic, they are the same.
I'm with the Salad on this one, physical theft is both a loss of material and a loss of profit (you're losing the object itself and the opportunity for that sale) whereas game piracy is "just" a loss of profit, the developer doesn't actually lose an object on top of not getting paid.
Note that I'm not saying that piracy is justified either morally or economically. But physical theft is fundamentally different to piracy.
Having said that I totally download the leaked versions of this game (though if I were in a position to support Sel, I would and I'd never leak the game myself if I were in a position to do that).
It's not fundamentally different, it's the same. A thing exists. The creator of that thing has asked that he be paid for providing that thing. Taking that thing without paying is theft. The nature of the thing (physical or digital) is irrelevant - it's the taking which is the issue.
In this case, it's even less justifiable, since it's pretty unlikely that a physical store would say, "hey, if you wait two weeks after this thing goes on the shelf, you actually can just come in and take it off the shelf for free", but that is the case here.
In any case, if the actual creator of the thing coming here and saying, "please do not take the thing for free" doesn't mean anything to you, there is a fundamental error in your moral programming.
If you are not in a (financial, I assume) position to support Selebus, then you wait the two weeks and get it for free with his permission. Not being in a financial position to pay for a thing does not entitle you to have it for free, or I would be driving a Maserati right now.
The fact that LiL is not a physical object does not matter.
While I see the point you're trying to make, in both cases the theft isn't of the object itself. It's of the time, materials, and expertise that goes into making it. Without those things there's no product to begin with so the number of copies you could theoretically create is meaningless.
Selebus is remarkably well compensated between patreon and subscribestar so I don't specifically feel bad for them, but adult gaming as a whole is kept waaaaay behind mainstream games because it's so much more likely to be pirated. They say sex sells but this genre really doesn't because players are so used to getting it for free, it's pretty much kept alive through subscription services.
I was in the same position way back in the early days of the game, so I get where you're coming from on your reasoning. Still, it is also available for free after two weeks, publicly.
Exactly, I couldn't have said that first part better.
Yeah, no a physical store will NEVER give the item out free, even some other developers are like that. We got lucky it's Selebus we're dealing with. He offers the game free on a two week delay in order to give people who pay for their benefits said benefits, which mostly entails the earlier patron releases.
Agreed, though to be fair, this is a rare case, extremely rare. Some just stay out, some don't even know we exist, and some don't ever realize or believe their game could end up here, usually developers that are releasing only in their country like Illusion, though that specific example is very much aware of us.
Exactly, I'd be driving a Rolls-Royce if that were the case, with all the optional extras.
Exactly, and time is not and has never been a physical object nor has the expertise. The materials sometimes are depending on the stolen item, but that is beside the point.
I, on the other hand, feel bad for any developer regardless of how well compensated they are except a VERY select few that do things I am not okay with. Among those things I am not okay with are focusing on DRM instead of the game to avoid your players putting back content you removed (School of Lust) and putting exclusive content for patrons into a game instead of leaving the exclusives out of it for separate download so everyone gets the same game.
No, and it is going to be a while, this game is slated for multiple years of development.
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That's like saying there's a difference between physical torture and physiological torture. Sure, the former will physically hurt you (like ripping off your nails) and the latter won't physically hurt you (it'll just drive you literally insane, like forced sleep deprivation or solitary confinement) but both are equally bad 0_O.
Or it's like hate crimes. Regardless if you scream the N-word at a black person or if you physically assault them, it's still a hate crime. And it's not nice either way, even if screaming the N-word at a black person won't physically hurt them.
So maybe not get too caught up in the nitty gritty details between physical theft and electronic theft? - (ツ)_/¯
Note that I wasn't making any judgement as to which was worse, I was just stating that they're inherently different. In physical theft the victim has lost something tangible as well as the opportunity for a sale, whereas in piracy the victim has lost "only" the opportunity for a sale. Both are effectively the same thing, in that something that is being provided with an expected compensation is being taken without giving said compensation, but they have a fundamental difference between them that means you have to treat them differently.
Take for example my case, I do not have the ability to support creators financially. It's not that I won't, I can't. If I pirate something, the alternative is that I don't play the game at all. Either way the developer gets nothing from me in terms of money. I can however provide some value (perhaps not much, but not necessarily nothing) to the dev by praising the game, and recommending it to people that may be able to support them financially. Thus my piracy of any given game has at worst a neutral effect on the dev's success.
If I stole something physically then that's an inherent destruction of value for the seller. I am taking something from them. Even if I do the same thing; recommending the thing I stole to others, that destruction of value means that the worst case scenario is a net negative for the seller.
I'd like to reiterate that I'm not saying that piracy is inherently justified. Hell, if I had it my way then this game would never leak at all, Sel is incredibly generous releasing the game for free two weeks after the release date for the people bankrolling this entire thing. But my problem is not with those who download the game after it leaks, that'd be hypocritical at best. My problem is with the leaker(s).
Downloading a leaked copy of this game harms nobody. At best not doing so would be a show of respect to someone who would likely neither know or care that you did so.
Note that none of what I've said applies to those who can support developers, and would if there were no leak, who don't due to said leaks. If you would pay for the game if it wasn't free, you should definitely pay for it.
TL;DR: fuck the leakers, but you shouldn't feel bad for downloading this game if it does leak. If you can support Selebus (or other developers) then you should, even if you don't have to.
Indeed, either way is theft and all forms are equal in their morality, or lack thereof in this case, and damage dealt to the target of the theft.
They've lost something tangible in both cases, the money not gained, which is tangible in that you can use it outside of the transaction for the stolen product, including turning it into a physical form. No, theft of any kind can be treated the same because they are both still inherently theft, the only thing missing is an actual physical item that was stolen.
There is no neutral effect, once people learn of an easier source of the game than supporting the developer or waiting the requested amount of time, that's two weeks in this case, so that actual patrons can get benefits that actually mean something, they will flock to the easier source. It's just the nature of most humans, we flock to the easiest method even if it isn't the correct method. I'm not saying those people are lazy, no, it's just in our nature to follow the path of least resistance, usually, there are some exceptions to this. So, you suggest a game after pirating it, the new players you recruited, for lack of a better term, look it up, and they flock here, a pirate site, instead of the three sites the developer officially uses.
I absolutely agree with the first sentence of that third part, it almost never is justified. Again, there are exceptions to this, such as developers wasting their time on DRM instead of developing the game (School of Lust).
Except it does hurt the developer, Selebus has specifically noted a decrease in patrons signing up to support around leaks and downloading leaks encourages them. On the other hand, there is an increase in patron sign ups around versions that are not leaked. The law of supply and demand is in effect here, the leakers supply the leaks and the downloaders download them. Because the leakers see that their leaks are being downloaded, they continue to supply the leaks and because the leak was supplied, it gets downloaded.
What a convenient self-justification for your theft.
Yes, not being able to afford something means you do without.
Noble words spoken in a piracy forum.
Why does this thread need regular piracy discussions? It's not like anyone changes their mind. Some will never pay and will always pirate, some will always pay and some only pay occasionally.
It's almost as bad as the NTR discussion that some threads here can't go without.
I prefer the weird LiL Lore discussions in this thread, even though I can't even keep up most of the time.
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I quit this game in a huff, threw it in the bin along with its appdata folder. I got yet another 'happy' scene and it pissed me off. I went away angry and brooded on it for a while, i couldn't understand why i was so bothered by it, sometimes a game just isn't for me, that's ok, others like it, all power to them. So why did this one get under my skin so much? It took me half a day to realise. It's cause there IS a good game here, well written with good pacing and interesting characters, but the constant meta comments in dialogue and injections of faux-deep philosophy with deliberately jarring screen tears just get in the way of it, it doesn't add anything, it just detracts and disrupts. Like some shitty DDLC rip-off without the interesting pay off. I have no idea what Selebus's goal is with it, maybe i didn't stick with it long enough, but it came off as pretentious and intellectually insulting. I do not expect or even request such stuff be removed, Selebus is more than free to do their own thing with their game, i just felt like commenting on my experience. I wanted to like this game, but it got in its own way and prevented me from doing so.