Riolol

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Actually, in retrospect, Sekai may have even persuaded Makoto to use Sensei.

Makoto seems to think "the world" was speaking to her in "White Oak Doors":
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Hmm, maybe Sekai needs people to be "broken" in order to influence them which is why she was exited.
Kaori is already pretty broken so that fits too. Although I still quite like the transplant theory.
 

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Bingoogus Just out of curiosity, how far are you into your replay, and how much time would you guess it's taken you to get that far? Are you playing any certain way (good/bad uncle, etc), and did you use URM to skip the affection/lust grind?
Ok well according to my first post about starting to replay it was jun 5th then i have been playing for 15 days and just hit the scene where Noriko gives Sensei the box of letters. I've been playing about half of the time i've been awake which is hard to calculate since my sleep is literally all over the place and of random lengths so i'm not even going to try, and i've been playing without the grind and using the guide mod for quick navigation. Just playing to see everything again so the intended route.
 

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This game certainly foreshadows a lot early on. Even in a conversation with Maya, the word "Perception" is foreshadowed as being of great importance. Maybe I'm just paying a lot more attention the 2nd time around.
Sel did say Perception is a Core Theme of his work just last night, so makes sense
 
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That 'my word is law' bit is sprinkled around a bit more in the game, noticed it a few times during my replay so far. Just small things like 'lying to me is bad' 'do as i tell you' 'don't argue'. I don't remember the specifics, but each one has stood out to me as "that's another grooming technique reference/clue" each time i've seen one.
 

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That 'my word is law' bit is sprinkled around a bit more in the game, noticed it a few times during my replay so far. Just small things like 'lying to me is bad' 'do as i tell you' 'don't argue'. I don't remember the specifics, but each one has stood out to me as "that's another grooming technique reference/clue" each time i've seen one.
Yeah, it really goes to show just how effective she was at, well, what she did.

Also, it makes Sensei more or less begging Ami not to try to be like her mom, a little heartbreaking.

As Sensei puts it:
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Ami is "chasing after something she doesn't want to find".

To Ami, everyone loved her mom:
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Especially Sensei. What she doesn't seem to actually know, is why.
 

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That 'my word is law' bit is sprinkled around a bit more in the game, noticed it a few times during my replay so far. Just small things like 'lying to me is bad' 'do as i tell you' 'don't argue'. I don't remember the specifics, but each one has stood out to me as "that's another grooming technique reference/clue" each time i've seen one.
With more of her menacing side getting revealed as the game progresses, I am starting to think perhaps Sensei’s brother Nozomu wasn’t as mentally fucked up when alive or from the beginning (as least not as fucked up as the entity now we know as HOPE).

I vaguely remember an event (can’t recall which one) hinting that Sekai was always like this, as her grooming and everything stemmed from her own original personalities and not a product of being with Nozomu.

Now with Mama’s Girl describing him as “normal” (with Ami’s hesitancy) and “next to mom, no one could ever looked good. Not his fault”, maybe Nozomu was also a kind of victim of Sekai, who tainted both Arakawa brothers.
 
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Yeah, it really goes to show just how effective she was at, well, what she did.
Yeah, i've tried a fair few times to write out how much worse she is than Akira but i always get lost in the words (trying to describe nuance using the same words leading to infinite regressions of explanation), last time i ended up settling on a rather empty summary of 'she's in a league of her own' but that felt pretty weak compared to how i feel about her.

See, they're both groomers, both are shit people, but Akira does really seem to be like a far lesser form of it, his main targets are the vulnerable midteens, easily manipulated to get into bed but also somewhat grown enough to be also somewhat making that decision for themselves. It's still pretty fucking gross and i'm not going to argue it's in any way okay, but it feel far more... common... or within the meat of a standard distribution. You're always going to have folks who prefer the barely legal/almost legal type so as gross as it is it almost seems like Akira is just your common, run of the mill sex addicted pervert.

Sekai on the other hand was a full blown, dyed in the wool groomer, targeting a literal child, warping his mind, fostering dependency, manipulating the concept of 'ok' behaviour, using him as a toy. every peek into her personality through Akira's busted flashbacks paints the very worst picture, the kind the makes your stomach turn over as you realise wtf those creepy ass words mean, the entire books behind each individual sentence... this is a kid who needs rescuing from a monster.
 

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Yeah, i've tried a fair few times to write out how much worse she is than Akira but i always get lost in the words (trying to describe nuance using the same words leading to infinite regressions of explanation), last time i ended up settling on a rather empty summary of 'she's in a league of her own' but that felt pretty weak compared to how i feel about her.

See, they're both groomers, both are shit people, but Akira does really seem to be like a far lesser form of it, his main targets are the vulnerable midteens, easily manipulated to get into bed but also somewhat grown enough to be also somewhat making that decision for themselves. It's still pretty fucking gross and i'm not going to argue it's in any way okay, but it feel far more... common... or within the meat of a standard distribution. You're always going to have folks who prefer the barely legal/almost legal type so as gross as it is it almost seems like Akira is just your common, run of the mill sex addicted pervert.

Sekai on the other hand was a full blown, dyed in the wool groomer, targeting a literal child, warping his mind, fostering dependency, manipulating the concept of 'ok' behaviour, using him as a toy. every peek into her personality through Akira's busted flashbacks paints the very worst picture, the kind the makes your stomach turn over as you realise wtf those creepy ass words mean, the entire books behind each individual sentence... this is a kid who needs rescuing from a monster.
Well we don't actually know exactly how young Maya was when they started dating so I wouldn't be too quick to defend Akira on that aspect but there are some implications that Sekai was more abusive in nature, the "good boy" poem comes to mind.
 
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