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When it appears, choose 'go to school'.people, im a little trapped, im in one part of the game where i cant find anyone in the game and the game just tell me "the world is broken" or "no one is there"
When it appears, choose 'go to school'.people, im a little trapped, im in one part of the game where i cant find anyone in the game and the game just tell me "the world is broken" or "no one is there"
I'm also failing to understand that now that I know he had a different view elsewhere. There is no 'proper' way to make a game and the only time a 'proper' way to do any part of development comes up is when the developer digs themselves into either a technical or narrative hole that can only be gotten out of in one way.You know I was actually on your side with whole "I don't care what the creator thinks I'll interact with art however I please!" thing you were doing earlier, but I don't understand how you can think that and switch to wishing his ruin because you didn't like a part of what he made and then trying to dictate the "Proper Way" to make a game.
I'm starting to believe that you actually care *too much* about what he thinks. Just bypass everything like you said you would instead of coming in here and complaining about it.
I, at least, would not fault you for that, even if I think you get more value from meeting art on it's own terms.
That is adorable and hilarious, never change Tsukasa.Tsukasa loves poop! Time to add a scat tag!
See, if they made THAT a puzzle answer all would be forgiven.
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It happens, at this point it is just an inevitability and the only real question is when it will happen next.Nah I know, It's just this hasn't happened lately cause everyone was busy sharing their theories about the game and game updates topics
It can, but the expectations thrust upon users of this site already vastly differ from what this game delivers.Only if yout are actually aware of what you are getting yourself into.
Pathologic 1 stretched the mentality of artificial difficulty as a "means to and end" to a breaking point, all the while not indicating that it's full of so much pointless walking without knowing where you actually had to walk to more often than not. It is one of the reasons - together with the poor state of release outside of Russia - why the game remained so obscure in the first place. Pathologic 2 at the very least clearly states (begrudgingly added after a patch I might add) that the high difficulty of the game is the intended experience while also providing you with information on what you potentially have missed with the simple press of a button. This sets your expectations right from the word go.
If you get thrust into a situation that feels vastly different from your set expectations it can quickly feel like an unfair shift with barely any room to adapt in, then people will inevitably feel like their experience took a turn to the worse.
On a note regarding the game, I did certainly enjoy the update and surprisingly hunting for clues, with the exception of a single riddle which left me utterly stumped and I'm absolutely not a fan of solving riddles in the first place, so if even someone like me can get gratification out of hunting for clues despite not being an inate fan of it, that should be considered some praise.
The wiki, which should be in the first post if I remember correctly and is also linked in game.Also, how where do you look up triggers for events?
Ableist? Maybe the game just isn't your thing?Book 9 depends on what you picked for calm/callous/concerned during some past event that I can't remember off the top of my head. If you picked calm like me, you won't be able to use the "unlock all puzzle answers" option. But eating 10 live squids works.
Either way, done with that trash. Ridiculous to have to study a porn game like a text book to progress. See you all next time there's a reset or maya event (who the fuck knows what that'll look like now). I'll be back to bitch about how the writing is interesting, but the game design is god awful and the creator is able-ist.
WAY overdone, seriosuly, I laughed at the guy above this comment, but it is getting old FAST. If they don't like puzzles, it is not 'ableist,' the game just isn't to their taste, it's that simple. I absolutely HATE the trash tier puzzles in some games that my little sister could have figured out at age three, this game offers a challenge and I am loving it.the whole "it's ableist to make a game the way you want instead of making it accessible to lowest possible denominator" schtick is so overdone.
It's fine not to like the puzzles but I don't really get why you go on insane rambling rants about why you don't like them. Especially when you can just look up the answers fairly easily.
Better to have puzzles that might stump a few people and admit you can't do them than to have skyirm tier puzzles where a literal crow could figure them out.
Sound is part of the game experience anyway, if you don't like using the sound, that's tough. Selebus has already said no every single time this issue comes up. The requirement has been mentioned multiple times throughout this thread, by the way, because people keep bringing it up and will not let the dead, rotting horse they have already beaten rest in peace.The more ableist thing is requiring sound to get past a "puzzle", making no mention of this requirement, and then telling your fanbase not to give answers to anyone who can't progress because of said disability. Bit of a dick
Ideally the game shouldn't have puzzles at all. They really add nothing of value (and take this from a great VN to an okay one). And if it has to have them, there should be a means to solve them without having to lookup answers. Infodumping random factoids at random points of the game and then requiring those answers in the future without the context is just trash tier design.
Thankgodhe doesn't know how to code since it's easy to make it impossible to lookup the answers.
I've tired this, but I still can't seem to trigger the second Kaori event. I've complete the Tsukioka events, and the first Kaori event where she lost her cock. Is there another hidden trigger I'm missing?Call Kaori on a weekend night.
Losing money is the only feedback these type of people take, which is why I hope for that. If he loses enough money, then the game design might actually change for the better. If he wants to keep making his "art" despite losses of revenue, then more power to him.You know I was actually on your side with whole "I don't care what the creator thinks I'll interact with art however I please!" thing you were doing earlier, but I don't understand how you can think that and switch to wishing his ruin because you didn't like a part of what he made and then trying to dictate the "Proper Way" to make a game.
I'm starting to believe that you actually care *too much* about what he thinks. Just bypass everything like you said you would instead of coming in here and complaining about it.
I, at least, would not fault you for that, even if I think you get more value from meeting art on it's own terms.
Sound is a part of the experience, but until you get to that event, it is absolutely not clear that the sound isn't just part of setting the mood but instead physically required to progress. Most deaf people can hear well enough to still experience music. What they cannot necessarily do is decipher already difficult to understand voices, especially when its volume is not separately adjustable from the volume. The game gives you no warning that this is necessary. And even during the event, if you happen to have trouble hearing the voice - there is no way to realize that the instructions given by the voice are key to progressing. And then when you ask for help on the discord, you're met with a "my game, my rules, I don't give a fuck if you can't play".Sound is part of the game experience anyway, if you don't like using the sound, that's tough. Selebus has already said no every single time this issue comes up. The requirement has been mentioned multiple times throughout this thread, by the way, because people keep bringing it up and will not let the dead, rotting horse they have already beaten rest in peace.
I'm not talking about the replay function (which is not a legitimate way to lookup answers when there is zero guidance whatsoever), but rather the ability to look through the script. It would be trivial to make the answers impossible to lookup (more difficult, though not impossible to make it impossible to modify the script to ignore the puzzles altogether).Funny thing about him not knowing how to code things so that you can't look up answers, it would defeat one of the purposes of the replay function not to mention he isn't the only developer associated with the game in some way. He is the only developer working on it, but there are other people who know exactly how to do what he does not or at least has not shown he knows how to do. If I were so inclined, I'm not because again it defeats one of the purposes of the replay function, I could offer exactly what he would need to make it impossible or to even do other things that would deter it that are much worse. I've been a programmer longer than this game has existed by quite a large margin, the early 2000s with my actual learning starting in the late 90s.
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Putting the whole validity of '-isms' for the moment, I literally just hopped on the discord for the game and searched for 'deaf' and found him saying that if you're deaf it's okay to ask for help.Sound is a part of the experience, but until you get to that event, it is absolutely not clear that the sound isn't just part of setting the mood but instead physically required to progress. Most deaf people can hear well enough to still experience music. What they cannot necessarily do is decipher already difficult to understand voices, especially when its volume is not separately adjustable from the volume. The game gives you no warning that this is necessary. And even during the event, if you happen to have trouble hearing the voice - there is no way to realize that the instructions given by the voice are key to progressing. And then when you ask for help on the discord, you're met with a "my game, my rules, I don't give a fuck if you can't play".
So yeah, I'd say he's ableist. I'm sorry you're too enamored with the guy to see that.
Perhaps he's had a change of heart since I left the discord. Last thing I remember is someone offering to help if a similar situation were to come up again, and him basically shooting that down and threatening bans if anyone were to do that.Putting the whole validity of '-isms' for the moment, I literally just hopped on the discord for the game and searched for 'deaf' and found him saying that if you're deaf it's okay to ask for help.
FWIW I can easily see someone just not mentioning that they're deaf and asking for help without even thinking that might be the issue, and getting banned after a bit of an argument.Perhaps he's had a change of heart since I left the discord. Last thing I remember is someone offering to help if a similar situation were to come up again, and him basically shooting that down and threatening bans if anyone were to do that.
FWIW I wasn't banned, I voluntarily left after I decided the community wasn't for me.FWIW I can easily see someone just not mentioning that they're deaf and asking for help without even thinking that might be the issue, and getting banned after a bit of an argument.
Ah yes, the issue of "porn vs story" that I have seen crop up in some games' argumentation...It can, but the expectations thrust upon users of this site already vastly differ from what this game delivers.
Take the story vs porn issue. There have been several cases where people have said there isn't enough or they complain about why it is only animated when there is no need to focus on the story. This is because, while F95 is technically a general use game pirating forum, it mainly contains porn games and most of those thrust the player into sex scenes quickly and very often if sex scenes are not the only thing the game has to offer at all. Meanwhile, this game focuses largely on the story with porn taking a back seat to the point where it could have been easily stripped away with almost zero actual issue. It would have changed the story in several areas, but not much.
Then there's the way the actual story goes, some people go into this game expecting another of the usual Koikatsu VNs, not expecting the Denpa element, and then get scared off when it hits hard and fast. Not everyone can take Denpa style horror and those who can't typically nope right out of the game within the first couple of scenes of that nature.
Those are vast expectation vs reality checks for anyone coming into this game.
Honestly that isn't true, but not in the way that I think you mean. It feels like there are vanishingly few games that will actually deal with taboos as taboos. I mentioned this before, but:Ah yes, the issue of "porn vs story" that I have seen crop up in some games' argumentation...
I honestly never understood that one to be fair, so please bear with me here. From what I have noticed, when it comes to adult VNs at least, there always seems to be some form of "degree" to the distribution of content - some games focus more heavily on the story, others more heavily on the porn aspect with the other aspect taking the backseat in turn. Meaning the range of available games that fit your needs should be broad enough for such an argumentation to not even be existing in the first place?
Stuff like that has more of an impact when you're engrossed in the game.
I'm just relieved to finally find a game that touches on taboo subject matter that actually treats it as somewhat taboo. I get that it isn't exactly realistic but contrast it with something like Love Sweets, where you just drift into banging your sister with nary a thought, and when you come out to everyone they go "yeah we kinda figured based on how you're acting" and then you go straight to happily ever after...
You just need to do all of the stuff in the special room. Win the lottery using info I am too lazy to scroll up and copy paste. It's a bit higher up in this thread.Hey does anyone know how to trigger the new happy scene?
Between the quoted post and this quoting post, you can see EXACTLY what i was talking about.Great, another puzzle... cue the uninterested, the lazy, the disabled and those who cannot figure out the moon logic the dev was using all asking for help and getting the hinters, the purists, the trolls and smug elitists all taking the opportunity to either offer no help or frustratingly laborious help that has an incredibly high noise to signal ratio. Cue all of that happening 50 times over as each person from the first category comes in and their question is lost to an entire page from the second category.
my only point was how it's always a shitshow and i'm not looking forward to it.
Kind of already figured something would happen involving her, it was foreshadowed. "There Is Nothing" is an old event and one of the first puzzles to be added, the answers were actually provided in events before that and in the audio of the event itself.Sorta kinda pretty much very big v23p2 spoiler:
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No, I do as well, the sex scenes are pretty good and fit pretty well into the story. I was not exposed to the same J-list experience, 100% of my porn game collection is pirated using torrents, though that's entirely due to not having any other way because almost all of it is unavailable or was at the time where I live through legitimate means.Am I the only one who likes the sex scenes? I guess I wouldn't without all the lead up, in the same way that there are Japanese games that I didn't like when I couldn't read the text but that I appreciate now. The raw mechanical action isn't the attraction, you can get plenty of that everywhere.
Also am I the only one whose primary exposure to H games was getting fucking traumatized ordering games from J-list that turned out to be utsuge? Maybe that's why I'm so okay with this?
That could be a bug or an oversight, probably the former since he has been pretty good about adding them to the replay function.Huh. Is it just me or is there no replay option for the first new Touka scene? I checked to see if maybe it was registered as a Tsukasa scene but nope.
Actually, losing money only works on primarily money driven projects, but this is a self admitted passion project that we are just lucky enough to share the experience of. Also, you are likely in a minority with your issues with this game as he has said no to every attempt to change his vision. That right there is what drove me to support him, nobody should be able to change a creator's vision except the creator and Selebus is adamantly of the same mind on that.Losing money is the only feedback these type of people take, which is why I hope for that. If he loses enough money, then the game design might actually change for the better. If he wants to keep making his "art" despite losses of revenue, then more power to him.
Sound is a part of the experience, but until you get to that event, it is absolutely not clear that the sound isn't just part of setting the mood but instead physically required to progress. Most deaf people can hear well enough to still experience music. What they cannot necessarily do is decipher already difficult to understand voices, especially when its volume is not separately adjustable from the volume. The game gives you no warning that this is necessary. And even during the event, if you happen to have trouble hearing the voice - there is no way to realize that the instructions given by the voice are key to progressing. And then when you ask for help on the discord, you're met with a "my game, my rules, I don't give a fuck if you can't play".
So yeah, I'd say he's ableist. I'm sorry you're too enamored with the guy to see that.
I'm not talking about the replay function (which is not a legitimate way to lookup answers when there is zero guidance whatsoever), but rather the ability to look through the script. It would be trivial to make the answers impossible to lookup (more difficult, though not impossible to make it impossible to modify the script to ignore the puzzles altogether).
Indeed, this does hint that we may be getting to the point of starting down the path to Maya in earnest.You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
Yes, he has never said asking isn't okay, it's mainly the player base outside of F95 that does the no help thing. I also agree with that sentiment, feel free to ask, just know that I do have conditions for me to provide solutions.Putting the whole validity of '-isms' for the moment, I literally just hopped on the discord for the game and searched for 'deaf' and found him saying that if you're deaf it's okay to ask for help.
He's trying to prevent outright spoilers so people actually play the game instead of just riding on the answers provided by other players. It is a game, it is meant to be played, and some people try to treat it like a kinetic novel. I can see how that would be aggravating for a developer who is putting his heart and soul into this project.Perhaps he's had a change of heart since I left the discord. Last thing I remember is someone offering to help if a similar situation were to come up again, and him basically shooting that down and threatening bans if anyone were to do that.
I can as well, there are people who want to play the game on a free ride and Selebus isn't having it, so when there is no issue like deafness mentioned, he can't exactly just say 'the person might be deaf and might be asking because of it,' the only real assumption to make off of the given information is that the person is asking for a free ride off the answers of another player like a student who didn't study asking the guy next to him to give his test answers.FWIW I can easily see someone just not mentioning that they're deaf and asking for help without even thinking that might be the issue, and getting banned after a bit of an argument.
That's right, however, all of that said, the distribution specifically on F95 is heavily on the porn focus side and that leads to an expectation of more porn than story in a lot of people. I go in with no expectations and I form my expectations, if I feel the game deserves to stay on my computer, based on what I see in my first time playing.Ah yes, the issue of "porn vs story" that I have seen crop up in some games' argumentation...
I honestly never understood that one to be fair, so please bear with me here. From what I have noticed, when it comes to adult VNs at least, there always seems to be some form of "degree" to the distribution of content - some games focus more heavily on the story, others more heavily on the porn aspect with the other aspect taking the backseat in turn. Meaning the range of available games that fit your needs should be broad enough for such an argumentation to not even be existing in the first place? At least that is how I feel about it, but I guess I'm also not a developer, or invested enough in the genre to make such a statement in the first place.
At least I try to not go into a game and expect it to go all-in on one way or the other, but I guess that's just idealistic.
Yes and no, it is actually true in terms of the quantity of sex scenes and the quality of writing, but you are correct with taboos, most games do not handle them as they are, as taboos. Most handle them like "Oh look at me, I'm banging my sister/mother/teacher" and leave it at that.Honestly that isn't true, but not in the way that I think you mean. It feels like there are vanishingly few games that will actually deal with taboos as taboos. I mentioned this before, but:
You just need to do all of the stuff in the special room. Win the lottery using info I am too lazy to scroll up and copy paste. It's a bit higher up in this thread.
That has been theorized, but I think that may have more to do with the accident and their deaths making her a bit unstable mentally and we are just then seeing it.Does anyone else think thatYou don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.