Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.44.0] [Selebus]

[jamyong]

whats the password for the care packages

if you go back a handful of pages to before Selebus posted here, you'll find that DarkDaemonX posted the passwords. I can't remember them off the top of my head, but they are here.

edit: nevermind, found it.

Letter01 PRAISEBE
Letter02 SUMMER
Letter03 ZACHARIEL

 

[Black Raven]

This statement is extremely subjective.

No shit Sherlock. For the record i'm not saying LiL is the absolute best thing ever, just that in my humble opinion no art of value was ever created by a perfectly sane mind.

gain control of f95/itch for 'media' control' using plants, keep their head down till they have enough power to force decisions. much like how the video game journalist industry got destroyed in the last 10 years. infiltrate the industries that work as their money source in the same way, such as patreon/SS and 'cancel' things that compete with them.

this is so route in our current society that it really doesn't need to be pointed out

Interesting. You ever thought about creating a game ?

 

[Vizer007]

When I say it doesn't make sense, I mean in the sense that you could be asking it to write a story about a modern day society with no fantasy elements and suddenly your story's society is getting raided by orcs, a fantasy race. AI has a tendency to break out of what it was told to do and go in a direction it was told not to. That example comes from experience, it wasn't a modern day society, but there were no orcs in what I was designing until the AI suddenly put them in out of nowhere.

You could ask it to write an update, but don't be surprised when suddenly there are things that don't mesh into the story or universe of what you are updating. It's just one of the kinks that need worked out of AI at the moment, it will get fixed eventually.

The current AI just forgets your earlyer prompts (in free versions), and if not, after each step of the story many scales shift here and there giving you this result. Like, if in the beginning of the story there was 0% chance to encounter necromancer, after, for example, step 1500 it will go up enough to be a possibility, since some of the relatable scales were touched. There was a corpse? +1. There was a cemetery? +1. Its currently night? Here, have a vampire. In non fantasy world. Ah, yes, there was a swamp somewhere, so, here some lizardmans. But they have guns. Since its non fantasy and all.

 

[Black Raven]

I just feel like this is one of those cases where you have two sides, but one side has a really extreme position. That needs to get called out and acknowledged before we start trying to find a middle ground.

I've seen some extremely dumb takes on both sides, honestly. Finding a middle ground would require everyone to make a step towards the other and compromise. Maybe acknowledge this whole thing went too far and apologize.

I think it's very unlikely to happen anytime soon.

 

[vehemental]

stealthily engaging in asymmetrical polygamy

This is my favorite way of describing this I've ever heard. Kudos to you sir.

If you can't handle him at his worst you don't deserve his best.

Bro you did not just bust out the motto of every miserably toxic 14 year old terminally-online tumblr user unironically

Selly's quirks were perfectly benign and the game was perfectly as fucked up as it has always been a year ago before Patreon imploded. Temporarily losing his income and wasting all that time making the SFW version for nothing seems to have broke something inside of him. Which is understandable, but I think most of his fans are hoping he'll finally move on from it for the sake of the game.

 

[hcguy]

I truly do not understand why anyone cares about Selebus' personality. If I like the game (which I do), I'm supporting him. If I don't like the game, then I'm deleting the game and obviously not supporting him. Whether I like Selebus or not is completely irrelevant - neither is whether he's raging against F95.

Of course there are things outside the game which would keep me from supporting him. If it turns out he's a huge neo-Nazi or something, then yeah, I'm going to stop giving him my money. But simply being an asshole? Who gives a shit? It affects me in no way whatsoever.

 

[vehemental]

Then why are you here? I am being completely serious. If you know the guy absolutely hates you and everything you stand for, why do you keep coming back here?

For anyone that likes the game enough to use the CP, wouldn't you care what the author thinks of you? I mean, for most games, sure who the fuck cares. This is, literally, the longest visual novel ever written. Playing is a huge time and emotional committment. I mean that has to leave you feeling conflicted?

You're making the argument that black people shouldn't be able to enjoy HP Lovecraft's works. Who gives a shit what the author thinks, as long as it doesn't leak into the work itself? I can only speak for myself, but I've been a fan of this game for years and sunk a decent chunk of money into it. I want it to succeed. The only time the author's neuroses have been at all relevant are when they interfere with the development and quality of the game, which they have.

I honestly cannot understand why admins can't calm the F down and be reasonable.

What are the admins here doing that is so unreasonable? Facilitating the purpose of this website within the interpretation of the rules they have decided to enact?

 

[KnowNoHope]

Then why are you here? I am being completely serious. If you know the guy absolutely hates you and everything you stand for, why do you keep coming back here?

For anyone that likes the game enough to use the CP, wouldn't you care what the author thinks of you? I mean, for most games, sure who the fuck cares. This is, literally, the longest visual novel ever written. Playing is a huge time and emotional committment. I mean that has to leave you feeling conflicted?

Everything was so chill before this. People were pirating the game and Selebus was pissed and losing subscribers, but not ready to go nuclear. It wasn't until he went above and beyond for patron-only content and even THAT shit got leaked that he came here looking to end this thread if he could.

I just feel like this is one of those cases where you have two sides, but one side has a really extreme position. That needs to get called out and acknowledged before we start trying to find a middle ground.

I know people think Sel is rich because he makes a decent monthly income, but consider the hourly pay he has. Is there any other creator on this site that produces as much as he does?

Whatever, this whole thing is completely ridiculous. There's an obvious middle ground where we return to the status quo and mods police only the CP and not the other leaked patron stuff. It's an obvious way to resolve the issue.

I honestly cannot understand why admins can't calm the F down and be reasonable.

i dont know what you are getting at... i support piracy... didnt get the 'CP content' cause it seemed like a waste of time even after it became free.

You're making the argument that black people shouldn't be able to enjoy HP Lovecraft's works. Who gives a shit what the author thinks, as long as it doesn't leak into the work itself? I can only speak for myself, but I've been a fan of this game for years and sunk a decent chunk of money into it. I want it to succeed. The only time the author's neuroses have been at all relevant are when they interfere with the development and quality of the game, which they have.



What are the admins here doing that is so unreasonable? Facilitating the purpose of this website within the interpretation of the rules they have decided to enact?

exactly

 

[Black Raven]

Bro you did not just bust out the motto of every miserably toxic 14 year old terminally-online tumblr user unironically

Shit, you got me. I'm actually Selebus' secret 14 years old girlfriend :/

 

[KnowNoHope]

Shit, you got me. I'm actually Selebus' secret 14 years old girlfriend :/

this adds up, proceed being 14/f maybe the mods will overlook the age restrictions

Interesting. You ever thought about creating a game ?

no

 

[vehemental]

I truly do not understand why anyone cares about Selebus' personality. If I like the game (which I do), I'm supporting him. If I don't like the game, then I'm deleting the game and obviously not supporting him. Whether I like Selebus or not is completely irrelevant - neither is whether he's raging against F95.

Of course there are things outside the game which would keep me from supporting him. If it turns out he's a huge neo-Nazi or something, then yeah, I'm going to stop giving him my money. But simply being an asshole? Who gives a shit? It affects me in no way whatsoever.

You draw the line at neo-Nazi (8/10 asshole), most other people draw the line at more mundane levels of asshole (like 3-4/10 asshole).

A big part of why people support content creators is they like their public image and the communities they cultivate. The dev's escalating (public) assholery has turned the F95 thread largely negative/critical and the Discord into a miserable, toxic quagmire. That's going to have a much bigger impact on the game's success - and by extension, the dev's mental state - than any amount of piracy. So we're effectively stuck in a cycle, and the only potential solution we have to look forward to is the break he's supposedly taking.

Despite Selly's nonsensical and self-aggrandizing protestations, the game is the only real victim in this, and it being good is the biggest thing both sides want.

 

[Dragon59]

Wait, what? I had no idea it had a function like that, I actually have a reason to use it now.


When I say it doesn't make sense, I mean in the sense that you could be asking it to write a story about a modern day society with no fantasy elements and suddenly your story's society is getting raided by orcs, a fantasy race. AI has a tendency to break out of what it was told to do and go in a direction it was told not to. That example comes from experience, it wasn't a modern day society, but there were no orcs in what I was designing until the AI suddenly put them in out of nowhere.

You could ask it to write an update, but don't be surprised when suddenly there are things that don't mesh into the story or universe of what you are updating. It's just one of the kinks that need worked out of AI at the moment, it will get fixed eventually.

AI finds a way. -- Ian Malcolm

 

[Dragon59]

You're making the argument that black people shouldn't be able to enjoy HP Lovecraft's works.

Of course, Lovecraft Country, with black leads, was perhaps flipping a giant middle finger at HP's corpse.
The same would also apply to Wagner, but his association with "A Certain German Party" is fresher than HP's racism.

Who gives a shit what the author thinks, as long as it doesn't leak into the work itself? I can only speak for myself, but I've been a fan of this game for years and sunk a decent chunk of money into it. I want it to succeed. The only time the author's neuroses have been at all relevant are when they interfere with the development and quality of the game, which they have.

It's easier to separate the art from the artist when the artist is no longer around to make a profit from their work or use their fame to harm others (i.e. DEAD). HP Lovecraft, Richard Wagner, Robert E. Howard, Edgar Rice Burroughs, and the rest from the early 20th century are no longer here to stir up shit and vex us.

Living "Big Name" authors/artists, on the other hand, whether we're talking about JKR, "Ye," or others, do have the ability to use their money and influence to enable hate. Honestly, Selebus is not that influential outside of this small pond, his rage isn't really harming others that I can see, but money is energy, money is a transferrable form of our physical/intellectual labor. We all have to decide where we want our energy to go.

 

[vehemental]

yeah, he just randomly picked a fight. nothing brought it on. major levels of denial here. what a clown take.

Yeah man - your boy popped his top when one of his own patrons decided to share the content they paid for. Maybe he shouldn't have any patrons at all? Is that what you're saying?

did you seriously just compare your struggle to steal without being shamed to a black person enduring racism? lol. wat a clown. nice avatar. LOLOLOL. The guy hates you. the community hates you. i hope it ruins the game for you.

And you don't care about the game? you're defending the act of stealing patron content game is already free for those willing to wait two weeks. and sel is scrooge. lol. what a tool.

Reading comprehension continues to evade the Discord kittens. Classy as always

Really? People hate me? Dang, I haven't gotten any hate here. Wonder why

 

[Black Raven]

You draw the line at neo-Nazi (8/10 asshole), most other people draw the line at more mundane levels of asshole (like 3-4/10 asshole).

Out of curiosity, if you put NN at 8/10 then what would be a perfect 10/10 asshole ?

 

[vehemental]

Out of curiosity, if you put NN at 8/10 then what would be a perfect 10/10 asshole ?

People like Anders Breivik or the NZ mosque shooter. You can be a neo-Nazi and not act on it.

 

[vehemental]

Of course, Lovecraft Country, with black leads, was perhaps flipping a giant middle finger at HP's corpse.
The same would also apply to Wagner, but his association with "A Certain German Party" is fresher than HP's racism.

It's easier to separate the art from the artist when the artist is no longer around to make a profit from their work or use their fame to harm others (i.e. DEAD). HP Lovecraft, Richard Wagner, Robert E. Howard, Edgar Rice Burroughs, and the rest from the early 20th century are no longer here to stir up shit and vex us.

Living "Big Name" authors/artists, on the other hand, whether we're talking about JKR, "Ye," or others, do have the ability to use their money and influence to enable hate. Honestly, Selebus is not that influential outside of this small pond, his rage isn't really harming others that I can see, but money is energy, money is a transferrable form of our physical/intellectual labor. We all have to decide where we want our energy to go.

Definitely.

The worst thing Selly is going to do is put in more sadly toothless vitriol into his own game - like when his characters have said pirating something that's the price of a cup of coffee should be punishable by death, or the rant about Patreon. Everyone enjoys reading and potentially supporting that.

We'll also see if his supporters want to direct their energy at what's going to happen when he becomes the first Renpy game dev in its history to successfully incorporate DRM and it doesn't change anything

 

[ReegusLeroy]

did you seriously just compare your struggle to steal without being shamed to a black person enduring racism? lol. wat a clown. nice avatar. LOLOLOL. The guy hates you. the community hates you. i hope it ruins the game for you.

And you don't care about the game's quality? you're defending the act of stealing patron-only content. bro, the game is already free for those willing to wait two weeks. and sel is scrooge. lol. what a tool.

account made on Feb 7, 2023
Did Sel give you your annual pass discount yet?

 

[barglenarglezous]

We'll also see if his supporters want to direct their energy at what's going to happen when he becomes the first Renpy game dev in its history to successfully incorporate DRM and it doesn't change anything

I don't see that happening.

If he had the skill for that, he'd also have procedurally-generated reset puzzles to prevent people from getting answers here.

 

[vehemental]

I don't see that happening.

If he had the skill for that, he'd also have procedurally-generated reset puzzles to prevent people from getting answers here.

The website is serviceable enough, and he didn't do that either. It's pretty clear he has the spite to throw enough cash at it for a good attempt.

You know, instead of farming out a single thing that he hates doing and the game could really use, like more animations...

account made on Feb 7, 2023
Did Sel give you your annual pass discount yet?

And guaranteed to be using a VPN so their main doesn't get banned. I wonder why