Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.44.0] [Selebus]

[ZathuraVentura]

stuck after reset... how do I start Niki or Otoha events? Does fingering Miku counts as one of two her new events?

You need to do Niki's event first to unlock Otoha's.

To unlock everything you need to:
1- Call Niki in the morning.
2- Go to the second floor of the dorms during the night.
3- Go to the cafe during the morning and talk to Rin.

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

This talk about the gods acting through Akira Sensei, has got me thinking back on that scene where he froze up after kabedoning Wakana, she said she could see his real self in his eyes and was teasing him while he was frozen up while pinning her against the wall.

 

[Bingoogus]

Whilst it would be more applicable to go with the cycle of abuse line of thinking for this game, my actual example was not a cycle, i didn't pass on what dearest daddy did to me, i kept it with me and went inwards, the replication is, as i said, a twisted form of re-experiencing something that my abuser convinced me i deserved and intermingled it with sex as i went through puberty such that the two are stuck, tangled, and makes me feel like perhaps Akira repeating things on Yumi in an episode as being his way of mimicking the feeling he felt, that twisted way of "do the thing that someone who loves you does cause it feels nice, love me please". Like, i'm not saying at all that that is what happened, just that thinking about that got me wondering how much we all might take the blackouts a little too literally when juxtaposing them with the supernatural stuff... it's not that i think they're more traditional blackouts from a psychiatric perspective, just that they might be and we should keep that in mind, or more, you guys should, when doing your theory crafting, cause you're all so much better at it than me.

 

[alex2011]

Goddamn, how many boxes does this game and the custom renders check?

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Just a random custom render for no reason:

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To be honest I'm far too lazy to actually try, but the thought of Sel having a meltdown does make it tempting.


Their TOS does say they don't allow rape or incest. This game has statutory rape, probably will have "real" rape, and certainly features incest. As far as CP they do specifically say it's real images that's against their TOS, so this game is in the clear from that perspective if the terms don't change.

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Now they probably won't do anything any time soon because SS entire business model is basically taking on the people patreon banned. But things can change.

I wasn't talking about the CP part. The custom renders feature beastiality, animal cruelty, and rape, and the game features incest, self-harm, suicide, and a fuckton of "filthy or disgusting words or pictures."

All of which is against SS TOS.

As another user posted, it is against the tos.
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The issue with most games of this genre is that they operate in a form of gray area. Be it because of the way they make the CGs, or because of the kind of content. But yes, it isn't worth the collateral damage. That is the real reason that most of these devs make their games free, not because of goodness of their hearts. I don't think they can legally sell these games. The people in patreon/Subscribestar aren't paying for the game, they are only supporting its creator. I'm not even sure if keeping these care packages behind a paywall would be legal. At least, that is how I understand it, and I'm not a lawyer, so take a grain of salt here.

The best way to keep having these games (and keep receiving money from them) is to not stir shit. I don't think Subscribestar wants to enforce these rules now, but everyone has to keep in mind that they might eventually.

Btw, I get why he is mad. Making games is hard work, and everyone wants to be paid when they work. What some devs don't get is that piracy is a good problem to have. It means, before anything, that people do want to play said game. And it will only happens when a bunch of people are playing a game. Things are bad when you don't have enough supporters to worry about leaked content.

Custom renders don't go there either, they go to a place specifically designed around not having content rules that deny this game's freedom of creativity. Also, they don't enforce on things that aren't illegal in the US, namely fictional depictions. If this had been a real porn game, as in used images of real people, it would be in violation. This is where the difference is with Patreon, which enforces on fictional content, that's the root of the Patreon issue. As far as a grey area, there is none content wise since it is constitutionally protected in the US for reasons listed in a later reply below this.

And if the ToS changes, they will be in the same position as Patreon and will be useless to this game anyway, prompting another move before the new terms even get enforced.

Unlikely that Lessons in Love would be the first then although that trial would be fun to watch.





I don't think so, no. Just because they felt the need to be specific about CP doesn't imply that they're not only talking about real stuff elsewhere. By default "bestiality" (for example) means "bestiality", not "bestiality and also all fictional depictions of it on all supports".

It would just be plain absurd to ban fake bestiality/rape/incest but not fake CP.

For reference, here is the Patreon version :



Of course SS could still remove LiL at any point using the more ambiguous parts of their ToS like "Filthy, or disgusting words or pictures" or even "obscene or immoral purpose". But like Worthless Peon said, that would be a very dumb decision in terms of business as of right now.

It would be, that has the potential to cause a mass exodus. Their creators have already been burned for fiction once, they are already on guard, they aren't going to take even a hint of a Patreon move. This has the potential to ruin SubscribeStar entirely considering their main draw is being more free than Patreon, you can't be more free than something and still enforce rules just as strict, that's not how it works.

I agree with the CP part, they probably felt the need because there a ton of people on the internet who see even fiction as something to ban and who would go after such content, causing an influx of user reports that would be detrimental to the site as a whole.

The only thing i see in their ToS that could be an issue is the following :



Is loli illegal in the USA ?



Obviously zero. It says "real people".

This is true as well, though the things are listed, they are only illegal in real life in the US.

I think that's still an open question legally speaking, hasn't really been tested in courts.




Real people is with respect to the child pornography (and also subscribestar doesn't allow real porn at all to avoid the record keeping requirements). Points 1, 2, 3, and 6 in that image are all things this game or associated content contains. Arguably 5 as well.

Ashcroft v Free Speech Coalition and Ashcroft v ACLU came out with a supreme court ruling that fictional depictions are first amendment protected as long as no real person of the type depicted in the fiction was involved and the fiction is distinguishable from real images.

idk man, taking away the income might make him just stop producing the game lol. yall are in this forum so you must've played the game or enjoyed it, and want more updates. is it just spite or smth that makes you wanna fuck him over? like i get he's a dick but this is really going overboard.

To be fair, nobody here is actively planning to do it, certainly not me as that is a risk to my status on the other side of this divide. However, if they did, you are correct, it would essentially be 'shooting oneself in the foot' as the saying goes. At best, that could be a pyrrhic victory, but I doubt it could be considered anything but a loss if that outcome were to pass.

No idea. I think itch happened last year because of the content but I have no idea when or why the annual passes disappeared.

Itch.io was some advocacy group going after fiction, pretty sure he got that back after a while as there is talk about it as if it is still running. Also pretty sure annual pass is still up considering the lack of talk about it being down. These are topics that would have at least been announced by Sel.

That's the thing, whatever Selebus and his discord followers seems to think about F95 or pirates in general, we're at least not dumb enough to do something like that...
But we are on the Internet, this is a huge place with lots of people even outside of this forum, and if Selebus continues on this path, he will eventually end up upsetting that one dude who will answer without any care about collateral damages.
I'm not sure if even Selebus cares about collateral damages to his own subscribers at this point.

I mean, Selebus is the only one risking his livelihood over his little obsession, and if he's unable to see that, maybe someone close to him who cares enough, should tell him to back down before it goes too far.

Personally, I always saw LiL as an endless project who will never have a proper ending and will continues until the dev retires.
So I'm not particularly worried about what's going to happen. I just hope it happens as late as possible and without too much drama.

Being a VN, it will have a proper ending, several actually. The game plan is just so big that it will take a long time to complete. We are still in the general route with hints that the next full cast route, the dark route, is coming, then there are the individual purity routes after that for all of the characters.

Thanks, i don't understand how much of a bitch sel is to literally program the original affection cheats into the game only to try to screw over anyone who used them.

The point is to make it less tempting to cheat, if there is a punishment that severe, then it produces a severe drop in willingness to use the cheats. This also does not apply to all codes, just the ones with actual gameplay effects from what I understand, though I cannot confirm as I never use them and prefer to just grind it out as intended. Sel wants and has always wanted people to play the way it is intended to be played, that means with sound, with grinding, and with 'happy' scenes (all three of which have been the center of complaints at one point or another).

 

[smuk]

You need to do Niki's event first to unlock Otoha's.

To unlock everything you need to:
1- Call Niki in the morning.
2- Go to the second floor of the dorms during the night.
3- Go to the cafe during the morning and talk to Rin.

tyvm

 

[Vega Cifer]

I do believe some events are influenced by Sekai. Most obvious being at the beach with Makoto and futaba. Where she appeared, and if you have the 50 affection, instead of leaving they show Sekai holding Makoto's head and they go nuts and all have sex. Also many points at the supernatural and higher beings. But it can also be Akira's mental state mixed in with these things

 

[smuk]

oh oh, is this some reference to out of touch?

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[ElukiaTV]

i doubt it but.. a welcome coincidence.

 

[ganesha2407]

gonna ask again,how to update Android version one?
from 0.28 to 0.29

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

gonna ask again,how to update Android version one?
from 0.28 to 0.29

You gonna have to wait for the person who makes the port to update, it's an unofficial port so sit tight and wait.

 

[worthlesspeon]

And in doing so, you would start a wave of enforcement that would go after much more than LiL, possibly leading to the aforementioned mass exodus and even further loss of other games. Going after some perceived violation is not as simple as it sounds, there is a lot to consider and it is no place for a vendetta hit suffering from tunnel vision against a single game. That said, at best, you would likely only succeed in annual pass, the other two are fine with fiction.

I think discord is doable too. I've got some time off coming up. Let me see where I get. Not sure if it's *my* report that got it kicked off patreon, but timing was pretty close.

 

[Bingoogus]

I think discord is doable too. I've got some time off coming up. Let me see where I get. Not sure if it's *my* report that got it kicked off patreon, but timing was pretty close.

I'm on the fence with retaliating to this degree, previously i was happy to troll Selly hard and enjoy his tantrums and if the DRM was just like a message calling you a disgusting pirate or if the game locked up and refused to play and that was all i'd still feel the same but since he tried to fuck people over and possibly even fucked a few of his own paying subscribers i now sit here on this fence, uninterested in trolling even harder but at the same time, completely not judging anyone who does so if trying to get him kicked off of certain platforms is what you want to do peon, you won't find me condemning you. Dude's a dipshit who invites his own issues into his house and deserves no empathy from me.

 

[worthlesspeon]

Honestly my biggest concern would be getting doxed by Sel and/or his rabid fanbase. I don't think I've posted anything too identifiable with this alias, and even whenever I pay for any of this sort of shit, I use an anonymized credit card and email. But it is a risk.

 

[TheLarceny]

Sometimes, you have to let go and allow time to pass. If we continue like this, we won't be any different from sel.
The only joy of my days these days is playing the updates of Lil. I don't want anything to ruin it, neither selly nor anything else, because having this game and its story is better than not having it.
And of cource, u can just disagree with me and do whatever u want

 

[Dragon59]

If Sel still lurks around this forum, I want him to know that I think this game is incredible and I have supported the game in the past for YEARS, but I have stopped my support due to his combative behavior.

I get that he is really upset with the pirates, but man, the more you try to do shit, you're just gonna aggravate them and encourage leakers more and more. I feel like there's a non-insignificant amount of people that would re-support you if you just took a step back and carried on, like Caribdis does with his game and leaks (as an example).

I want to support you but the way you're going about this just turns me off from doing so

I definitely understand what you are saying. I'm considering whether I want to continue supporting or move that support to another developer.

 

[Icez2567]

What happened with Yumi and Tsuneyo after reset? Did they forget everything about cycle two months gap amusement park? Sensei still has promised with Tsuneyo but there no more Tsuneyo event in further. That so sad.

 

[BlackDays]

I don't know what they were thinking trying to implemt their "drm" the way they did.
Maybe it was a onetime thing to have some fun?
But if someone wanted to be a real asshole... Personally i'd shut the backend service down for a better solution.
Read some subscribers had their saves "wiped" and if they weren't lying, i don't think thats intended behavior.

And if the creator of said service reads this.
I don't know what you did to insert the custom chunk into the png but, it's crc seems wrong and your IEnd seems broken too.
Maybe there is a reason for it which eludes me. The png works in a couple of programs, others not.
Guess it depends if said program cares for custom/IEnd chunks.

 

[actualrealname]

The more you say no one wants to do it, the more I'm motivated to try getting him booted off his platforms. A challenge is fun in and of itself. Probably wouldn't be a bad thing to take platforms away from a pedophile anyway.

This is incredibly lame man, not gonna lie. Sel is an idiot, but fucking with someones livelihood for no real reason is just not cool. Even less so when the motivation is just some weird contrarian spite.

Surely you can find a less sad way to waste time, or at least a less useless internet crusade.

 

[Vizer007]

Damn, there are actually a person here who would even consider stooping that low?
Dont threaten the livelihood of a person, that's Karen level.

 

[Vega Cifer]

Yo..I just realized there's extra miku events. Not sure how to get them though, what do you have to do?

Edit: Nvm I think it's invite her over