- Mar 22, 2020
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my game keep forced close after update,any hint whaat happens?
- Mar 19, 2020
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You guys keep saying the game can stand on its own without the porn content, in a game where the protagonist is a sexual deviant that lusts after anything with two X chromosomes and can't go on a monologue without slipping in a desire to have sex or masturbate.
I don't get it. The whole plot and theming of the vn would be pretty jarring if there wasn't any of the porn content. And isn't one his aspirations with LiL to be a deconstruction of the harem genre anyway? Not to mention there's planned purity routes, etc. Take out the pornographic content and it would be a pretty big case ludonarrative dissonance.
I don't get it. The whole plot and theming of the vn would be pretty jarring if there wasn't any of the porn content. And isn't one his aspirations with LiL to be a deconstruction of the harem genre anyway? Not to mention there's planned purity routes, etc. Take out the pornographic content and it would be a pretty big case ludonarrative dissonance.
I disagree if you look at his profile the answer is more likely because he is.
- May 4, 2020
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Yes, having a moral panic attack over drawings is the sane approach, definitely.
I am very much of the opinion that if there is no victim then there is no crime, thank you very much.
We don't know the details of what happened between Akira and Maya yet. But grooming in general is being portrayed in a very negative light. Just how many times was Akira called out for being a piece of shit (including by himself in monologues) ? You think what Sekai did to Akira is portrayed positively ?
Not really, you don't have to show the action to get the point across in what is still technically a largely text based medium. Harem is not inherently adult, this is actually a large section of anime in general as a genre. You can deconstruct a genre in a SFW way.
If you're taking that quote out of where I think you are, the purpose was directly stated in some cases to be spite.
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Could be the update where we finally get the final side character, currently marked like that as a fancy spoiler tag.
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Sure, you can make a VN where sex is mentioned almost constantly and have nothing but the implication of it. Doesn't it mean it won't mitigate the message. Again this is a sexually themed harem VN, with a sexual deviant as the protagonist. Lack of pornographic content would be pretty jarring.
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It's a dark themed deconstruction of the harem genre, it can be done without the side content.
Yes, puzzles can't because they have both an in game and a development reason, to make people pay attention or subject those who don't to the consequence that is getting stuck (it works quite well in that second part judging by how often people get stuck in the resets), making it vital.
The side content has no development reason besides throwing a bone to the same types of players Sel didn't really want to attract in the first place, which is not a good enough reason to consider the side content vital when the only other reason can be satisfied with alternatives.
You keep calling it side content and ignoring that there is plenty of mandatory porn in the game. And many of the porn scenes are pretty strongly tied to the larger narrative.
Again your mental gymnastics are very impressive, kudos.
"Look at the Yumi accusations of sexual crimes committed on her by Sensei since basically the beginning of the game, that is a good example of how it can be done without showing the action."
And yet somehow that doesn't apply to the puzzles. Lmao.
Pray tell, what do you think the dark route will entail? The one thing sensei has not yet done but the gods are trying to force him to is rape. That's going to involve plenty of mandatory sexual content.
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- Apr 23, 2019
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Let's ignore the mandatory sex scenes for a second:
Even if you basically go past them and write "and so we fucked" specifically showing Sensei having sex with his students...
It won't be the same.
Afair, tHere's a fuck ton of monologues that Sensei has during these sex scenes that show his character in ways that can't be shown in others, like in the "happy event" in the clock room.
That shit wouldn't be nearly as impactful without the scene of sensei "nailing" "Maya".
Can we fuck Maya, Chika, Kaori and the irish chick yet? Those were my favorites, I don't really care about the drama or the horror stuff.
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It's not side content. Porn is an element of the game's design as much as the puzzles, hence the lust meter and why some events, which have lore implications, are entirely missable if you haven't got the lust meter high enough.
Again, so does the porn. The porn is another layer to add investment to the characters and strengthen the tie-in between player and Sensei.
I don't disagree on puzzles being vital, I think they could be done different but I agree on the resistance being an important part of the experience. I just don't see how all your arguments for the puzzles don't also apply to the porn.
This is so ironic, but I think my game glitched for real. Like, during the in-universe glitch. When everyone vanishes, I think I had read you had to get 10 "affection" with god, right? I'm at 15 and it still keeps looping. What do I do?
- Apr 23, 2019
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Wait a second, I remember the lust meter being necessary to unlockcertain events...
But were those events also necessary to continue the main story?
I fucking forgot, but I'm pretty sure they fucking were necessary.
"Secondary content" argument blown the fuck up.
I keep calling it that because that's the official word on it. The side content being mandatory is just not the case despite being unavoidable. To make it NOT be side content, it has to be vital to the story, but it is not. The narrative can go without them and remain the same because the narrative is about the events taking place, the sex just happens to be featured in those events unnecessarily.
There are no mental gymnastics, it can't be applied to the puzzles because there is a development reason for the puzzles that is actually good enough to keep them, the attempt to get people to pay attention and to punish those who do not with getting stuck.
Oh no, Denpa games typically get MUCH darker than anything we've seen or been given hints to so far. The dark route is where we could very easily be seeing things as dark as character deaths, especially ones committed through the will of the driving factor of the events getting darker, which is the gods, but also including the potential for characters to go full psycho, especially Ami. Doki Doki Literature Club, while lighter than most Denpa games, is a good example of how the dark route could go.
It would need to be altered a bit visually, but the impact would be there. The sex isn't as integrated as you think.
Sel said it is, so it is side content, a developer's word on their own work is essentially law on the project. It can be removed with little impact, the puzzles cannot because they serve a purpose outside the story, punishing those who do not pay attention in the hope that people will learn to do so through getting stuck. Notice how that lust meter is completely optional, you can go the entire game without even once incrementing it and the missable aspect is part of them being side content, they wouldn't be missable if they weren't side content, they were designed so that they can be skipped for anyone who has no interest in them and is in it for the story. Also, of course the scenes have lore implications, he's not going to throw sex scenes into the game if they aren't tied into the story, that's not how an adult VN with side content porn works, that's how a porn game works.
This strengthening of tie-ins can be done without the porn, making the porn an unnecessary extra only used as side content.
They don't apply because the puzzles have a development reason that is still just as important today as it was the first time they came in, keeping the player paying attention. Think of it like a teacher coming over to a student sleeping in class and whacking them with a book, not common in the real world these days, but not an uncommon scene in fiction. The sleeping student is the player, the sleeping is not paying attention to the text, and the whack is getting stuck.
The parts that the meter is needed for are skipped over if the meter is not incremented (or in the case of lust events tied to main events incremented before the main event happens). This is why you can go through a main event that has a lust event tied to it and not even know there was a lust event tied to it until you notice the event tracker shows a missed event. The Halloween events for example, you can totally miss the Sara/Haruka scenes. This happened quite a bit back when the first Halloween event came in.
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I can't believe what I'm reading. The sexual content in LiL is paramount for the thematic integrity of the game. Honestly, I find most sex scenes in this game shit (not fap-worthy). Hell, I've never even touched my dick while playing this game. But I recognize their importance in the narrative.
For example, while I read the last sex scene with Niki, I was focused on absorbing the bits and pieces of lore sprinkled in the dialogue. Mostly ignoring the act itself. Consider the last event with Miku, Sensei's deviancy and thoughts are made clear. His perversion wholly manifested for the audience. He seemed exactly like Sekai. Most of them are nice, in that way. I'd be perfectly okay with all the sex scenes that don't add anything lorewise being cut from the game. I'd be delighted with that, in fact.
But if this game skipped all sex scenes and abstracted them away like: and so they fucked. It would make for an exceedingly dry and lifeless piece. Huggy Boy would like a word with you (and before anyone says: "Oh no, but Huggy Boy was an entirely different beast. It isn't a fair comparison". Yes, I am aware & I agree. This was mostly a quip).
So yes. LiL is unmistakably a porn game. A well-written one. One that has built fantastic, authentic characters. Its atmosphere is unique.
Yet one, nonetheless. These qualities are not mutually exclusive. Maybe not a porn game in the strictest sense, but at that point, I'd classify it as a shitty porn game anyway, as no one would read LiL for the porn. There are much better things out there in that sense.
Concerning the "DRM" affair, I'm not angry at the dev or that dude who made it (who promptly got banned?). That my saves were deleted—and promptly restored—thankfully, I know how to do that; was entirely on me for my carelessness. As a pirate, I'm way past caring about his morality, or the lack thereof. I do not believe that his actions are inherently justified (Illusion and everything), notwithstanding in the same vein as how I'm not personally concerned in explaining myself or justifying my piracy; I wouldn't expect the dev to be morally justified in his attempts at preventing my access to the game.
I do think, however, that he screwed the pooch only by fucking up the game for some of his subscribers and seemingly being okay with putting untested junk inside his software. Bad optics.
For example, while I read the last sex scene with Niki, I was focused on absorbing the bits and pieces of lore sprinkled in the dialogue. Mostly ignoring the act itself. Consider the last event with Miku, Sensei's deviancy and thoughts are made clear. His perversion wholly manifested for the audience. He seemed exactly like Sekai. Most of them are nice, in that way. I'd be perfectly okay with all the sex scenes that don't add anything lorewise being cut from the game. I'd be delighted with that, in fact.
But if this game skipped all sex scenes and abstracted them away like: and so they fucked. It would make for an exceedingly dry and lifeless piece. Huggy Boy would like a word with you (and before anyone says: "Oh no, but Huggy Boy was an entirely different beast. It isn't a fair comparison". Yes, I am aware & I agree. This was mostly a quip).
So yes. LiL is unmistakably a porn game. A well-written one. One that has built fantastic, authentic characters. Its atmosphere is unique.
Yet one, nonetheless. These qualities are not mutually exclusive. Maybe not a porn game in the strictest sense, but at that point, I'd classify it as a shitty porn game anyway, as no one would read LiL for the porn. There are much better things out there in that sense.
Concerning the "DRM" affair, I'm not angry at the dev or that dude who made it (who promptly got banned?). That my saves were deleted—and promptly restored—thankfully, I know how to do that; was entirely on me for my carelessness. As a pirate, I'm way past caring about his morality, or the lack thereof. I do not believe that his actions are inherently justified (Illusion and everything), notwithstanding in the same vein as how I'm not personally concerned in explaining myself or justifying my piracy; I wouldn't expect the dev to be morally justified in his attempts at preventing my access to the game.
I do think, however, that he screwed the pooch only by fucking up the game for some of his subscribers and seemingly being okay with putting untested junk inside his software. Bad optics.
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I'll leave it at fundamentally disagreeing with what you just wrote in this sentence.
This is a VN, not a book, and visuals are important.
I agree on the lust events in-between the main events, but you can't deny that there are some routes necessary to progress the main story, and in all of them afair Sensei ends up having sex, Ayane being just the first one, again, afair.