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Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.45.0] [Selebus]

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DeSkel15

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So, random, but what do you all think was happening in the trials for the girls back during 'Untitled'?

Long Maya mentioned that presumably the likes of Maya, Ayane, Yumi, and Tsuneyo were facing their own stuff while Sensei was answering questions:
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Maybe they were being questioned with trivia involving Sensei? I can see Maya and Ayane passing that rather easily.

I'm also thinking Yumi didn't pass hers, hence the apparent reset and possible murder. Also maybe Tsuneyo as well, but I'm still waiting for confirmation from her that she actually doesn't remember the reset stuff. Maya claims she doesn't, but Maya isn't the most reliable person:
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Tsuneyo also seemed somewhat unaffected by the reset compared to the other 3:
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and she apparently remembers at least the third reset (or at least did):
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Which was supposedly rewritten back then (The time Ayane didn't survive the roof):
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So, her apparently surviving resets, and just not mentioning it for over a year isn't strange for her.
 
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CrocosaurHex said:
Thanks for your feedback!

As for the grind points, I plan to make a difficulty level. At an easier level, there will be less grinding. Everyone can customize this for themselves.

Hints will also be implemented this way. In the event tracker (shown in one of the screenshots), you can see the status of the event, all the conditions necessary for it to start or skip, and what needs to be done to start the event. It is also planned to introduce contextual hints. For example, when an event starts, the player will be warned that passing it at the moment will entail skipping some events in the future. Choice options in events will also be highlighted. The player will know what choice to make in order not to miss some events in the future. Decryption of codes is also in the plans. There will be a button on the dialog panel. It will appear when the encrypted text is on the screen. And of course, clues for puzzles. I agree that this is an extremely necessary thing. It should be clarified that this guide mod will be optional. If the player doesn't want hints, they can turn it off.

Regarding colors, I also see imperfections in my work. Yes, a dark theme is planned, but work with color will also continue. Thanks again for your detailed feedback, it means a lot to me!
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First of all, incredible job. The UI looks pretty polished already and I can't wait to see the final product. However, there are two main things I want to address:

1. The improved mechanics: It seems like you will be releasing this remake in multiple versions. If that's the case I think you should try to release these features first:
+ Guide, like current guide mod. Your current approach seems to be putting the entire wiki into the game, but it's still hard to navigate events this way. Meanwhile the guide mod already does this very well. I think you should work on making something like the guide mod in your remake first, and if anyone wants to view the full event information you can add them in a later update.
+ Skip puzzle and skip grind (No difficulty grind level and no puzzle hints yet).
+ In-game hex and Japanese decode.
and then release the rest of your ideas. Don't get me wrong, your ideas for difficulty grind level and puzzle hints are great but they are only minor improvements. The three points I make above would be massive improvements to the game and make it more accessible to new players.

2. UI usability improvements. To clarify, I am only talking about usability and not aesthetic in this section. I feel like Sel's current UI for girl info and event replay is really good already compared to yours. Here are some things I would improve:
+ I think if you want to put every extra options screen in the phone screen that's fine, but you should make the phone screen take up the entire screen by default. Especially when there's so many information to be displayed.
+ For the girl information screen, you put a lot of information there but only a few of them are regularly used, and if the information regularly used is at the bottom of the scroll bar you'd have to scroll there every time you need to see it. This is because of several reasons: some of the cards hold too few information (screen 12, 15, 16), the phone doesn't take up the entire screen (again, if you had more space you could reorganize the UI), and most of the time using fancy round progress bar is unnecessary. My solution is: Put only the most important information on top and make everything else optional. Again, Sel's girl info screen does this well already.
+ All the extra photo albums are great, though I feel like having the jukebox in game is a bit unnecessary? (This is just a nitpick)
+ For the event information screen, again, having every single info about an event in game would be great, but not really needed. The guide mod does a great job already. You should focus on making something like that and the event replay screen instead.
 
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k1n5l4y3r said:
Including a translation for all the hexcode/japanese/binary and other coded stuff because this is a game not homework, what kind of player would be bored enough to try searching for it on google, especially the japanese script that you can't simply copy paste from the game.
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Yeah, haha I wonder...
 
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DeSkel15 said:
So, random, but what do you all think was happening in the trials for the girls back during 'Untitled'?

Long Maya mentioned that presumably the likes of Maya, Ayane, Yumi, and Tsuneyo were facing their own stuff while Sensei was answering questions:
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Maybe they were being questioned with trivia involving Sensei? I can see Maya and Ayane passing that rather easily.

I'm also thinking Yumi didn't pass hers, hence the apparent reset and possible murder. Also maybe Tsuneyo as well, but I'm still waiting for confirmation from her that she actually doesn't remember the reset stuff. Maya claims she doesn't, but Maya isn't the most reliable person:
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Tsuneyo also seemed somewhat unaffected by the reset compared to the other 3:
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and she apparently remembers at least the third reset (or at least did):
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Which was supposedly rewritten back then (The time Ayane didn't survive the roof):
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So, her apparently surviving resets, and just not mentioning it for over a year isn't strange for her.
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Hmm didn’t put much thoughts into how or what exactly others are doing during resets, I always assume they are having their customized nightmares, something similar to what Maya had during 4th reset (forgot if Ayane ever described how it felt before waking up). The “inflict extreme harm” part is something I simply perceive as the hard reset if he keeps fucking up the trivia, as Sensei is the anchor to everyone; but what you suggested is possible.

As for Tsuneyo, since Sana also remembered having a Ayane-less sleepover in Sweet Vermouth, I assume the whole thing worked as that sleepover still existed but false memory has been inserted into Ayane (and perhaps only her since she was the only girl at the time that was somehow "involved enough" to deserve a memory alteration).

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Same logic applies to Maki being the only person remembering Makoto's first breakdown after Bluejay; the world mechanism rewrites only the key person's memory, but seemingly cannot undo everything and/or is not flawless enough to also do something to others' memories to make everything seamless (i.e., Tsuneyo or Sana or Maki aren't being special or immune during moments like these; they were just in a way close enough to a key event, but not involved enough to get mingled by the mechanism)

With all that being said though, I still have my doubts if that sleepover still existed or not, considering Sana was also in her dorm room and not at Sensei's house when Sensei went and looked for Ayane in Before the Sun Comes Up.

Granted, judging from the conversation the event is between Sunday night to Monday early morning, while the sleepover is on Saturday night, so it might just because it's basically a different day now after a reset, but the idea of time passing during a reset isn't all that certified (while Maya did mention how long sometimes she had to wait on the roof but I am not too certain if those passed time carried over when the reset is done).
 
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Hmm didn’t put much thoughts into how or what exactly others are doing during resets, I always assume they are having their customized nightmares, something similar to what Maya had during 4th reset (forgot if Ayane ever described how it felt before waking up). The “inflict extreme harm” part is something I simply perceive as the hard reset if he keeps fucking up the trivia, as Sensei is the anchor to everyone; but what you suggested is possible.
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Yeah, I could see them having their own customized nightmares. Maya seemed stuck in her nightmare without Sensei's help though, so I'm thinking she went through something different this time. More of a "personal trial" like Long Maya said instead of an old memory. Otherwise I don't see how they'd get to the roof days before him. It is possible no one can remember the trials though, so it's unlikely we'll get much confirmation about it.

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As for Tsuneyo, since Sana also remembered having a Ayane-less sleepover in Sweet Vermouth, I assume the whole thing worked as that sleepover still existed but false memory has been inserted into Ayane (and perhaps only her since she was the only girl at the time that was somehow "involved enough" to deserve a memory alteration).

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Same logic applies to Maki being the only person remembering Makoto's first breakdown after Bluejay; the world mechanism rewrites only the key person's memory, but seemingly cannot undo everything and/or is not flawless enough to also do something to others' memories to make everything seamless (i.e., Tsuneyo or Sana or Maki aren't being special or immune during moments like these; they were just in a way close enough to a key event, but not involved enough to get mingled by the mechanism)

With all that being said though, I still have my doubts if that sleepover still existed or not, considering Sana was also in her dorm room and not at Sensei's house when Sensei went and looked for Ayane in Before the Sun Comes Up.

Granted, judging from the conversation the event is between Sunday night to Monday early morning, while the sleepover is on Saturday night, so it might just because it's basically a different day now after a reset, but the idea of time passing during a reset isn't all that certified (while Maya did mention how long sometimes she had to wait on the roof but I am not too certain if those passed time carried over when the reset is done).
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I actually think it might be the other way around. Sana remembering the slumber party is the false memory, just like how Makoto remembers killing herself but it's treated as hallucinations in her mind. Although I suppose it's more like retconned memories than false ones. Time gets rewritten, but memories aren't rewritten competently, leaving behind memories of things that couldn't have happened. Similar to how people tend to overlook how long it's been, even when noting it's been years or more than one of the same Holiday within one year.

However, notice that Tsuneyo says things "ended rather strangely":
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Meanwhile Sana mentions nothing weird about the slumber party itself, but she seems unsure of when it actually happened:
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Her being in the dorms, and Sensei coming back to a house with none of the girls (besides Ami) there, kind of implies it didn't happen in this timeline. Much like how Makoto jumped off the roof, but then "wakes up" back on it like nothing happened, albeit obviously aware something did.

Tsuneyo on the other hand mentions it ended strangely, implying it's not a false memory, but an actual one. She didn't seem to have trouble placing the memory or what happened back then. Albeit, Tsuneyo can apparently remember things she's not even around for:
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So, who knows what's going on with her memory.

I think Maki's situation is more of an exception here, as I don't think time was actually rewritten there. Makoto's memories were presumably the only thing actually affected, and just no one besides Maki really cared to talk about it. I think Makoto herself just didn't remember it. Unless someone like Ayane seemed to forget it, which I may have missed.

Btw, from what I understand, the Slumber party was on Saturday night, but by the time Sensei got done talking to Ayane and made it back home, when the reset starts, it was Sunday (after midnight). By the time the reset was over, and Sensei checked up on Ayane it was around 3 am:
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In other words, Sana, Ami, Molly, and Tsuneyo should have been at his house while he was talking with Ayane here, but Sana's definitely not. Monday wasn't really involved in the third reset, besides Sensei mentioning he'll be a better teacher tomorrow, then rephrasing it as him being a better teacher today technically, since he's deciding to be a better one now. (Which likely lead to the confusion)
 
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How long do you guys think it will take until the entire class is aware of the reset stuff? At the current rate of major events I can't imagine Makoto saying "the 10th annual dorm wars" without anyone reacting to it.
 
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