Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.45.0] [Selebus]

[alex2011]

I've already replied to the other stuff and see no reason to repeat myself, so I'll focus on this part.

Which example was supposed to be without a bad or any reason at all? Because Sensei still wants to fuck Yumi, masturbates to fantasies of her obsessively, and on top of that, he seems to feel somewhat guilty for forcing himself on her before. Sensei definitely isn't just helping Yumi out of the goodness in his heart, and actually seems to consider her an idiot for trusting him:

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Also Yumi doesn't have a job as Sensei kind of got distracted, so she's been looking alone lately.

Even him being there for Rin was still due to him wanting to fuck her, he's also partly responsible for why she got rejected as her crush likes him, and he could have been a bad homie as well, so he may be feeling some guilt from her crying (he did mention a part of him wanted to apologize, later on). In retrospect he may have even gotten some satisfaction from Rin's suffering considering Sensei has admitted:

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He seems to have grown to care about Rin, but that isn't the only reason he tries to be there for her.

It's kind of difficult to recall anything he's done that doesn't at least seem to have an ulterior motive, tbh. Sensei isn't exactly altruistic.

The in game examples without bad or no reason would be the first two inline spoilers. Those things were done with no apparent reason behind them or at least no reason which is morally bad despite Sensei's overall goal since the start of the game. Yes, he still wants to fuck both of the girls in those examples, but this is not portrayed as why he did the actions in those examples like a majority of his actions are. Also, yeah, he does consider her an idiot for trusting him and he's right for considering her an idiot for trusting the guy who forced a kiss on her before this that she still clearly remembers even well after the point where she is shown to be trusting him enough to allow the example in the inline spoiler. You would think it would be smarter not even to allow him in at all after that, I would have locked the door and told him to go away in her position, even if he was genuinely there to help, and been ready to defend myself in case he tried to let himself in.

He didn't have to help her with that, but he did and he didn't show any apparent bad reasoning for it, his reasoning isn't really apparent at all really. Yes, I'm aware of her situation as it stands now as far as the job thing, but he still tried to help her. It's actually not his fault she doesn't have one, it's her attitude being one of the big factors, nobody would hire someone that abrasive for very long if at all.

As far as Rin, yes, he wants to fuck her, that's been his goal with all the girls since the beginning. However, he does not show this as his reasoning for being there when she goes into her depressed state or is upset like with the Chika rejection. Also, only in the bad homie route is it his fault that Chika rejected her, he did nothing with Chika in the good homie route. He cannot control how Chika feels and she already felt something for him in both cases.

He's by no means altruistic and he's as bad as people come without being downright evil, but again, bad people are not incapable of good things.

 

[JelF547]

Honestly, that begs the question, if Nodoka turns out to be the face of Chapter 4, I wonder how everyone will take it?

Nodoka being the main girl for a chapter like Ayane seemed to be in Chapter 3, and Maya in Chapter 2, seems.. interesting. Might actually get some answers at least.

I would not care at all. If I would be asked to label chapters with ayane/ami/maya, I'l make Ayane face of chapter 2 and Maya face of chapter 3. Maybe I just don't get which kind of emphasis that characters got in corresponding chapters

 

[DeSkel15]

I would not care at all. If I would be asked to label chapters with ayane/ami/maya, I'l make Ayane face of chapter 2 and Maya face of chapter 3. Maybe I just don't get which kind of emphasis that characters got in corresponding chapters

The Chapters, in theory, seem to represent when characters became truly important to Sensei.

Chapter 1 is when he relearns to love Ami, and decides how to move forward in their relationship. Chapter 2 has Maya go from mysterious and mean, to pitiable and vulnerable. Sensei got her that scarf at the end of Chapter 1, and by the end of Chapter 2, he's celebrating her bday with her on more or less a date.

End of Chapter 2/Beginning of Chapter 3, I think is when he first said he loved Ayane to calm her down. She's grown more important throughout the chapter.

By Chapter 3, he's also considered Ami and Maya the two most important figures in his life:

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and they were the faces of previous chapters, so Ayane might be in 3rd place. Albeit, considering all the recent Niki, and Noriko stuff, I'm not confident about that.

If this trend continues then Chapter 4 might lead to Sensei falling for Nodoka which would be quite an adventure considering he barely considers her human. I can definitely see Niki or Noriko being the face of Chapter 4 though.

 

[DeSkel15]

The in game examples without bad or no reason would be the first two inline spoilers. Those things were done with no apparent reason behind them or at least no reason which is morally bad despite Sensei's overall goal since the start of the game. Yes, he still wants to fuck both of the girls in those examples, but this is not portrayed as why he did the actions in those examples like a majority of his actions are. Also, yeah, he does consider her an idiot for trusting him and he's right for considering her an idiot for trusting the guy who forced a kiss on her before this that she still clearly remembers even well after the point where she is shown to be trusting him enough to allow the example in the inline spoiler. You would think it would be smarter not even to allow him in at all after that, I would have locked the door and told him to go away in her position, even if he was genuinely there to help, and been ready to defend myself in case he tried to let himself in.

He didn't have to help her with that, but he did and he didn't show any apparent bad reasoning for it, his reasoning isn't really apparent at all really. Yes, I'm aware of her situation as it stands now as far as the job thing, but he still tried to help her. It's actually not his fault she doesn't have one, it's her attitude being one of the big factors, nobody would hire someone that abrasive for very long if at all.

As far as Rin, yes, he wants to fuck her, that's been his goal with all the girls since the beginning. However, he does not show this as his reasoning for being there when she goes into her depressed state or is upset like with the Chika rejection. Also, only in the bad homie route is it his fault that Chika rejected her, he did nothing with Chika in the good homie route. He cannot control how Chika feels and she already felt something for him in both cases.

He's by no means altruistic and he's as bad as people come without being downright evil, but again, bad people are not incapable of good things.

Those examples do have bad, and multiple reasons though (as I went over), so it seems pretty flawed.

Anyone can do "good things", but that doesn't mean that they do them for a "good reason". Hence my initial point.

 

[barglenarglezous]

If this trend continues then Chapter 4 might lead to Sensei falling for Nodoka which would be quite an adventure considering he barely considers her human. I can definitely see Niki or Noriko being the face of Chapter 4 though.

Maya and Ayane both experienced shocks to their status quo in the first two chapters, with Maya's scarf forcing her to rethink everything she understood about the cycles, and Ayane's pregnancy forcing her to re-evaluate her relationship with Sensei.

Who's life has been most disrupted in Chapter 3? Makoto. So there's an argument for her to be the Chapter 4 poster girl.

Also, as an aside, if this means we're getting 20 chapters, I may not live to see the end of this game.

 

[DeSkel15]

Maya and Ayane both experienced shocks to their status quo in the first two chapters, with Maya's scarf forcing her to rethink everything she understood about the cycles, and Ayane's pregnancy forcing her to re-evaluate her relationship with Sensei.

Who's life has been most disrupted in Chapter 3? Makoto. So there's an argument for her to be the Chapter 4 poster girl.

Also, as an aside, if this means we're getting 20 chapters, I may not live to see the end of this game.

Okay, I liked (emoji) your post before I read the end, so yeah, don't die.

Anyway, that's a good point on Makoto, and considering how she might make it to the roof, I can definitely see her being the face, and honestly the girl deserves it after all she's been through.

Maybe it'll be multiple faces, with her and Miku sharing a chapter? I could see the girls who are close to eachother sharing chapters, like Io and Uta, or even Tsuneyo and Molly. Maybe even the Nakayamas. Not sure how I'd feel about a Noriko Kirin chapter.

 

[crustlord12]

I hate Nodoka both for her actions and as a person.
But as a character she is definetely good one. She is created to be like this, I guess.

I'm with you, I like characters that I hate because of how they're written. It feels good to dislike a character's personality, and not because they were poorly written.

Maya and Ayane both experienced shocks to their status quo in the first two chapters, with Maya's scarf forcing her to rethink everything she understood about the cycles, and Ayane's pregnancy forcing her to re-evaluate her relationship with Sensei.

Who's life has been most disrupted in Chapter 3? Makoto. So there's an argument for her to be the Chapter 4 poster girl.

Also, as an aside, if this means we're getting 20 chapters, I may not live to see the end of this game.

Neither will any of our hard drives. I wonder if Sel will eventually break the game up into chapter downloads because it's getting ridiculous.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Okay, I liked your post before I read the end, so yeah, don't die.

Anyway, that's a good point on Makoto, and considering how she might make it to the roof, I can definitely see her being the face, and honestly the girl deserves it after all she's been through.

Maybe it'll be multiple faces, with her and Miku sharing a chapter? I could see the girls who are close to eachother sharing chapters, like Io and Uta, or even Tsuneyo and Molly. Maybe even the Nakayamas. Not sure how I'd feel about a Noriko Kirin chapter.

No plans, I just know that 1) I'm clumsy AF and 2) I've already had to yeet one organ

Odds are good I'm gonna trip over my own pants and break my neck before this game ends.

 

[DeSkel15]

No plans, I just know that 1) I'm clumsy AF and 2) I've already had to yeet one organ

Odds are good I'm gonna trip over my own pants and break my neck before this game ends.

Well, damn, I wish you luck. Imma have to haunt Sel if I croak before the game is over.

 

[vulpix74z]

Stupid question, sorry if already answered but why does the site have this game not getting an update since four years ago when its clearly still getting updated?

 

[DeSkel15]

Stupid question, sorry if already answered but why does the site have this game not getting an update since four years ago when its clearly still getting updated?

Developer added DRM, pissed off the Mods, no more free advertising. That's the gist.

Only those looking for it will be able to find it, but yeah it's still being updated monthly, around the 1st of each.

 

[vulpix74z]

Developer added DRM, pissed off the Mods, no more free advertising. That's the gist.

Only those looking for it will be able to find it, but yeah it's still being updated monthly, around the 1st of each.

ahhh gotta, I was wondering since I havnt seen the game in a while, thanks for the answer, I'll just check back in myself for now on

 

[JelF547]

BTW, does anybody know where I can get tech support for running game with joiplay, if I was banned in official discord?

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

BTW, does anybody know where I can get tech support for running game with joiplay, if I was banned in official discord?

Probably here or some joyplay specific forum. Just don't expect too much as not only it's unofficial there is a low amount of joyplay users.

 

[DSasha]

If I somehow hope to have a chance to fuck someone, then whatever I do for that person has ulterior motives? Can't I maybe fantasize with someone and at the same time wanting to genuinely help em?

Sensei definitely isn't just helping Yumi out of the goodness in his heart, and actually seems to consider her an idiot for trusting him:

Can't it be this Sensei just trying to give some good advice? I mean, I consider myself the most honest and transparent person I know lol, but sometimes I have said something similar to other people for believing me so easy, it's like: "You shold not believe this fast in anybody, not even me".

 

[DSasha]

Current Sensei is for sure way more of a horndog than preset Sensei is, and I'd like to think that this is an effect of releasing a person who's already a massive horndog from almost all moral bindings. Like, how would one went from "oh my gard where am I?" to "oh well time to fuck my whole class" in such a short timespan? It has to be because this is an embodiment of a fraction of his real self; since so many other fragments of his were missing, this shitty fraction of him became dominant in plotting his actions.

The effect of mental modification of such scale and false cognition of "his new life" is so great that comparing pre reset Sensei with current Sensei feels like comparing one's personality with, for example, "how one plays GTA".

Just for the record this is what I was trying to say before, just, with less words, and even better explained i guess lol

Anyway, actions alone don't define people, and no action is "inherently good", anyway. Saving a life can easily be a "bad thing" from another point of view. Doing a "good thing" for a selfish reason, doesn't make that person "good". I'm beginning to see this conversation topic is kind of pointless, since the point is just going to be ignored.

This is funny because when I started this I wasn't even thinking about intentions or acts being good or bad.

And at the same time is boring because I think you guys went for the easy part.

I was thinking more about a peasant 5 year child living in the countryside of a third world cuntry being being kidnapped and raised by the local guerrilla, being threatened with killing his little sister if he doesn't follow orders, having to live a life that he did not choose and did not have the option to choose, and then grow up in that environment, become friends with his companions, kill at first out of obligation, and then out of conviction, but a conviction that some would say it was his choice and others that was because that was the only world he could ever know because at the end of the day the only love he ever knew were there, and suddenly one day a bullet hits him in the head and ends his life at 18 years old, the life of another unknown guerrilla ends, just after that same life has taken that of three others, and despite doing very bad things, with, some would say, very bad intents, how that god would judge that man?


But even that is easy.

How about that crazy guy that one day kidnapped, raped and then murdered your older sister when she was coming home from college?
That guy raised in a commoner class home, with a depressive father that killed himself when he were 5 and his maniac and deranged mother that couldn't bear her loss, decided to blame his only son, and then abuse him physically and finally sexually as well, eleven years of abuse until one day she decides to take her own life, leaving him alone in the world. Feeling guilt, hatred, emptiness, trying to stay sane until that day when, feeling like he was going to explode, he decided to let out all his anger with the first person he saw on the street.
That boy who dreamed of one day being a doctor and helping others, would he go to heaven?

 

[DeSkel15]

If I somehow hope to have a chance to fuck someone, then whatever I do for that person has ulterior motives? Can't I maybe fantasize with someone and at the same time wanting to genuinely help em?


Can't it be this Sensei just trying to give some good advice? I mean, I consider myself the most honest and transparent person I know lol, but sometimes I have said something similar to other people for believing me so easy, it's like: "You shold not believe this fast in anybody, not even me".

You can do whatever you want. But yeah, if you are helping someone just because you think it'll increase your chances of getting laid (like Sensei) and you didn't reveal that to them, that's definitely an ulterior motive. Not that much different than trying to pay for sex, except there's no actual agreement here. (Cue all the guys whining about girls not sucking them off for being "nice".)

On the other hand, helping because you want to help them and expecting nothing in return would mean there isn't an ulterior motive.

Also, Sensei is giving good advice. Trusting him is a bad idea (he's talking about himself and what he's done specifically here, not just anybody). Keep in mind, this is after he let Nodoka humiliate Yumi and optionally cuck her by sucking him off in front of her. He later does similar to Noriko optionally. Sensei seems to virtually always put his lust above others in the end. Girls sadly crying, at least seems to help him restrain himself around 15 year olds, though.

 

[DSasha]

You can do whatever you want. But yeah, if you are helping someone just because you think it'll increase your chances of getting laid (like Sensei) and you didn't reveal that to them, that's definitely an ulterior motive. Not that much different than trying to pay for sex, except there's no actual agreement here. (Cue all the guys whining about girls not sucking them off for being "nice".)

On the other hand, helping because you want to help them and expecting nothing in return would mean there isn't an ulterior motive.

Also, Sensei is giving good advice. Trusting him is a bad idea (he's talking about himself and what he's done specifically here, not just anybody). Keep in mind, this is after he let Nodoka humiliate Yumi and optionally cuck her by sucking him off in front of her. He later does similar to Noriko optionally. Sensei seems to virtually always put his lust above others in the end. Girls sadly crying, at least seems to help him restrain himself around 15 year olds, though.

No, but what I am asking is not that, what I am asking is if both things cannot be compatible.
Again, If someone has fantasies about another person, then everything they do for them has to have ulterior motives?
Can't someone hope for something more with someone, and at the same time do genuine acts for that person?

okay I didn't read everything before answering

On the other hand, helping because you want to help them and expecting nothing in return would mean there isn't an ulterior motive.

But you're always assuming that everything Sensei does, is with ulterior motives, yeah, he wants to take clothes of most of his students, apparently.
That doesn't mean that everything he does, he does it with that mind

 

[DSasha]

Speaking of intentions behind "good actions", this game/story seems to have a dark goal in mind when it comes to raising affection for the girls:

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The more affection points and girls that can be tributed, the more Sensei's (and maybe others) chance of survival seems to increase in the end.

Of course, whether or not this turns out to be true, is just something we'll have to wait and find out.

You sure have an archive with a lot of SS all well organized by name don't you?

 

[DeSkel15]

Just for the record this is what I was trying to say before, just, with less words, and even better explained i guess lol



This is funny because when I started this I wasn't even thinking about intentions or acts being good or bad.

And at the same time is boring because I think you guys went for the easy part.

I was thinking more about a peasant 5 year child living in the countryside of a third world cuntry being being kidnapped and raised by the local guerrilla, being threatened with killing his little sister if he doesn't follow orders, having to live a life that he did not choose and did not have the option to choose, and then grow up in that environment, become friends with his companions, kill at first out of obligation, and then out of conviction, but a conviction that some would say it was his choice and others that was because that was the only world he could ever know because at the end of the day the only love he ever knew were there, and suddenly one day a bullet hits him in the head and ends his life at 18 years old, the life of another unknown guerrilla ends, just after that same life has taken that of three others, and despite doing very bad things, with, some would say, very bad intents, how that god would judge that man?

I mean he was still a killer, and no one actually "chooses" their life. We are all products of our environment. Since he was intending to keep his sister safe, I don't see him as pure evil, but it's still selfish to take the lives of others to prolong the death of one, no matter who or what they are. I'd like to think a benevolent god would think similar, albeit would hopefully have better knowledge of things than me.

Of course, this assumes that god wouldn't be jacking or jilling off at the idea of this scenario happening, if not directly responsible for it, and actually gave a shit.

HOPE for example is considered god by Yasu, and more or less made Sensei watch a Maya be raped already to make him "stronger".

That scenario could actually fit Sensei in a way, maybe, except he'd be raping others instead of killing, and likely wouldn't be aware of why, considering his black outs and memory issues. HOPE being both the "local guerrilla" and "god" in that scenario which is ironic now that I think about it, and Maya maybe being the sister.