Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.45.0] [Selebus]

[Bingoogus]

Alright, now that's a lot to digest... now i'm looking forward to what each of you has to say on the other's interpretation... cause i am big big dummy and have no hope of sorting through it all on my own.

 

[Moonflare]

It might have been too strong to say that Yuu is "probably" her father, but there is circumstantial evidence:

1. Kyoko is one of the residents of the upside down house along with Saki, two other Nothing is Beautiful characters, and an unnamed male. Because of the NiB connection, people think it's Yuu.
2. In the event where Sensei trades nudes with Otoha, he suddenly gets weird thoughts apparently coming from Nodoka's father ("Can you hear this Kyoko? Your daughter is a nightmare. She has my eyes.") with the attached photograph on the screen, probably meant to be from the upside down house. It's more likely these come from someone Sensei has a connection with rather than a random unnamed character. View attachment 3900374
3. There's joking references to Sensei and Nodoka being secret siblings which could be foreshadowing. See the "secret family" section of my post here.

The timelines don't match though. Nodoka is Ami's age. The only possible way for Nodoka to be Akira's sister is if she time-travelled, she'd have to be Yuu's granddaughter if anything (which isn't likely because she's Kyoko's daughter).

Also, if Yuu was around to impregnate Kyoko by the time Ami was born, then Saki's trauma would make little sense. Why would she be so hard on Akira (for his similarity to Yuu) if Yuu was around and well enough to go around getting people pregnant?

Also, if Yuu was around and well, it'd make absolutely no sense for him not to care for Akira when he started showing the same symptoms as him. It's understandable that Saki'd react badly to it because it had already taken her husband. But for Yuu? He'd be well, and thus Akira's issues would be much less of a big deal since he was able to thrive even though he had them as well.

 

[g6107419]

Is there a list of triggers? I couldn't find anything with a quick look but I'm also trying to avoid spoilers

 

[Comiies]

Is there a list of triggers? I couldn't find anything with a quick look but I'm also trying to avoid spoilers

Either the wiki or the guide mod.Or you can search around in the files ig but idk how much youll find

 

[grimfate56]

Was anyone else a little freaked out by how Sana was acting during the sleepover? Her attentive listening and pushiness seemed suspicious. I'm sure I can't be the only one thinking it, do we think one of the gods are manipulating her? I'm not sure which god she most relates to though, wondering if any lore lovers can help out.

 

[Moonflare]

Was anyone else a little freaked out by how Sana was acting during the sleepover? Her attentive listening and pushiness seemed suspicious. I'm sure I can't be the only one thinking it, do we think one of the gods are manipulating her? I'm not sure which god she most relates to though, wondering if any lore lovers can help out.

Pareidolia seems to be using her. We used to think it was HOPE, mainly because it seems HOPE was involved with Sara, and there's the theory Sana is the daughter of Nozomu himself. However, since that one event Pareidolia "saved" Sana/slipped her back to kumon-mi (or even engineered the whole situation), it seems he's intent on using her.

There are many instances (like spiders and rabbits), but, directly, Sana was the one in Akira's dream as spring arrived (Pareidolia's season), and he also predicted what would happen on the beach (maybe even was the one guiding Sana).

Indirectly, Sana has been involved with Sekai and/but Sekai's actual involvement with Pareidolia is up in the air (they're working "together" in stomachache, and she was the one guiding Akira right before he first fingered Sana).

Lastly, Himawari/her rogue team has actively rebelled against Pareidolia (this can be seen in "miserably ever after"), and the fact that narrator (most likely Himawari) tells Akira to stay in the room, and imediately after Sana comes to get him out of the room, would point out Pareidolia as the opposed party.

 

[PhiloPhilo]

Was anyone else a little freaked out by how Sana was acting during the sleepover? Her attentive listening and pushiness seemed suspicious. I'm sure I can't be the only one thinking it, do we think one of the gods are manipulating her? I'm not sure which god she most relates to though, wondering if any lore lovers can help out.

Hope and/or Pareidolia (more likely) has some sort of interest in/connection to Sana, and is seemingly the reason we now have horny Sana — the one that found Akira in the infirmary to fug and can't help but masturbate in public bathrooms. She's probably been/being manipulated on some level somehow. Far as I can tell, she's not being directly controlled or spoken to though, unless we get evidence otherwise. It's more been alluded to that someone is making Sana or others have certain feelings. See the speculation on girls being vessels / sacrifices etc. or having some sort of purpose like angels in training. To make this post distinct, It's likely just weird, hormones-over-introversion Sana, who's already dealt with visions. She can become aware now but doesn't really understand what's going on, either, she just overheard a batshit conversation and can't really process it.

 

[Comiies]

Was anyone else a little freaked out by how Sana was acting during the sleepover? Her attentive listening and pushiness seemed suspicious. I'm sure I can't be the only one thinking it, do we think one of the gods are manipulating her? I'm not sure which god she most relates to though, wondering if any lore lovers can help out.

The gods are starting to gather pawns for the game that is starting.The current players are as follows.

1)Hope
2)Himawari and Co
3)Wires
4)Pareidolia and Sekai

For the sake of the argument im using the theory that everything thats happening is because the 3 MAIN gods of this universe(Pareidolia Wires Hope) have different goals and that creates conflict.

Pareidolia wishes for chaos and destruction.He wishes to destroy everything around Akira not because he wants to remake the world or anything like that.Pareidolia is just a very sadistic entity.

Hope wishes to reform the world.He wants to change the way things are and in order to do that he NEEDS Akira.He has developed an unhealthy obsession with him and he has even went as far as temporarely descending into our world(Which i will refer to it as TERMINAL 23) through Yasu.

Wires is the closest thing Akira has to an ally in this game.Wires has helped him stay sane from the very beginning,he has tried to stop Akira from making irreversible mistakes but to no avail.He wants to maintain order but he is either weakened or is just in general not on par with the other 2.

One potential theory that ive been letting stew goes as follows.

We have 4 seasons in kumon-mi.Winter Summer Spring and Autumn.

Now we know that Spring is Pareidolias season but we cant exactly be sure about all the other seasons.But for the sake of it lets suppose it goes as follows.

Spring~Pareidolia
Summer~Hope
Automn~Wires
Winter~Nao(Im supposing Nao is the god that Maya prayed to to reset the world)

My theory goes as follows.Each god represents one season in kumon-mi so the corresponding god is stronger in their season.They are able to interfere with the world around them and do a lot more weird god stuff.Now i believe that Pareidolias "Endless Spring" is him artifically keeping this up as his first move towards his goal.

If we follow that theory then Pareidolia already has 2 wonderful pawns.Sekai and now potentially Sana(As Moonflare said i also believe that Adult Sana appearing in Senseis dream was Pareidolias attempt to influence him).

Hope has Yasu and his angels.

Wires has Tsuneyo and her father.

Nao is still a mystery.

But yea TLDR:I believe that we are in the beginning of a game of chess between gods to decide the future of this world.We arent an active player,we are the most valuable piece.

 

[Xiondingens]

Was anyone else a little freaked out by how Sana was acting during the sleepover? Her attentive listening and pushiness seemed suspicious. I'm sure I can't be the only one thinking it, do we think one of the gods are manipulating her? I'm not sure which god she most relates to though, wondering if any lore lovers can help out.

Well, at least i never got any sign for ill intent from her. For me it was more like, she finally knows what she wants and how she can get it. Sure, i would agree that she didnt got to this point by herself. But i didnt got the same evil plan vibe as i got from the smile ami had at the end.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

The gods are starting to gather pawns for the game that is starting.The current players are as follows.

1)Hope
2)Himawari and Co
3)Wires
4)Pareidolia and Sekai

For the sake of the argument im using the theory that everything thats happening is because the 3 MAIN gods of this universe(Pareidolia Wires Hope) have different goals and that creates conflict.

Pareidolia wishes for chaos and destruction.He wishes to destroy everything around Akira not because he wants to remake the world or anything like that.Pareidolia is just a very sadistic entity.

Hope wishes to reform the world.He wants to change the way things are and in order to do that he NEEDS Akira.He has developed an unhealthy obsession with him and he has even went as far as temporarely descending into our world(Which i will refer to it as TERMINAL 23) through Yasu.

Wires is the closest thing Akira has to an ally in this game.Wires has helped him stay sane from the very beginning,he has tried to stop Akira from making irreversible mistakes but to no avail.He wants to maintain order but he is either weakened or is just in general not on par with the other 2.

One potential theory that ive been letting stew goes as follows.

We have 4 seasons in kumon-mi.Winter Summer Spring and Autumn.

Now we know that Spring is Pareidolias season but we cant exactly be sure about all the other seasons.But for the sake of it lets suppose it goes as follows.

Spring~Pareidolia
Summer~Hope
Automn~Wires
Winter~Nao(Im supposing Nao is the god that Maya prayed to to reset the world)

My theory goes as follows.Each god represents one season in kumon-mi so the corresponding god is stronger in their season.They are able to interfere with the world around them and do a lot more weird god stuff.Now i believe that Pareidolias "Endless Spring" is him artifically keeping this up as his first move towards his goal.

If we follow that theory then Pareidolia already has 2 wonderful pawns.Sekai and now potentially Sana(As Moonflare said i also believe that Adult Sana appearing in Senseis dream was Pareidolias attempt to influence him).

Hope has Yasu and his angels.

Wires has Tsuneyo and her father.

Nao is still a mystery.

But yea TLDR:I believe that we are in the beginning of a game of chess between gods to decide the future of this world.We arent an active player,we are the most valuable piece.

bruh, you're making it hard to remain calm here

 

[Xiondingens]

So what do you guys think is the plan? I mean i think because of the fact that she did agree to niki moving in, it will be about her. But is it about Niki overtaken by Sekai, or is it to completely destroy her releationship with Akira? I mean, i am sure Ami has enough proof for what he is doing to do that.

 

[Moonflare]

bruh, you're making it hard to remain calm here

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[ElaineZol]

So what do you guys think is the plan? I mean i think because of the fact that she did agree to niki moving in, it will be about her. But is it about Niki overtaken by Sekai, or is it to completely destroy her releationship with Akira? I mean, i am sure Ami has enough proof for what he is doing to do that.

She asked her if she would be okay with her having another mental breakdown and "accidentally" hurting her. I think she is going to play dumb and actually harm her hoping Niki will say "yeah fuck this I'm out, this bitch is too cray cray", or something around those lines. I think coming out and telling her straight up that she loves Akira in a more than daughter-father way was also an attempt to make her step back. Maybe is also part of the start into the dark route and Ami eventually going all Higurashi on everyone... here's hoping anyway.

 

[Antosha]

Honestly, I think it kind of comes down to this:

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Being Whole may just translate to being Happy. Most of these girls are "happy" with how things are, even if it's not perfect. They are happy with their script that they were given. Happy to play the girl they are scripted to play.

When they truly go off script is when they become aware. When things happen that change who they are and what they want, or when they are not "happy here", they seem to become aware. Sana, for example, is wanting to be Happy, now:

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Which seems to have made it so that she can acknowledge the reality of the world. She's not the same character she was scripted to be. She just didn't care about the weird things going on, until Sensei mentioned it.

• Ayane had been happy until she got knocked up, and then lost the baby, which she still remembers. She wanted to be a mother, and that's what made her happy, what kept her going, but this world wouldn't allow that. She's had to go off script to be happy ever since.
• Makoto has had to change again and again since Bluejay to be Happy. Bluejay broke her, then she was reset, but the memories of Bluejay forced her to try to change, then her father's death nearly broke her, but Ami helped her (Ami's the caretaker and cared for both Ayane and Makoto before they became aware), which allowed Makoto to instead focus on what makes her Happy. This is when the Unbluejay happens, she tricks Sensei into signing marriage papers, and then she's shown to have become aware of things. Her trying to be Happy, instead of simply being "happy here", may have been why.
• Yumi was forced to re-evaluate what makes her Happy after Nodoka forced her to face herself, Chika, and what her future might look like (Yuki). This led to her trying to be Happy, by letting Yuki back in, being nice to Noriko and Futaba, etc.
• Tsuneyo is a little different, but assuming that what happened to Molly forced her to re-evaluate what makes her Happy, then Sensei taking her on that date also changed what she thinks will make her Happy (Sensei), then this may explain why she's become aware.

Nodoka seems to be trying to liberate everyone, presumably like her mother tried to, in the past, from the script. From the game. She's doing this by more or less:

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However, trying to break the mold seems to have crippled Nodoka's mother mentally, and may do the same to Nodoka. Kyoko didn't seem to have a Sensei to help like Nodoka might, though:

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For those unaware, Nodoka's mother isn't able to take care of herself:

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And we presumably know why, now. She fought the world, alone, and...lost.

Although, like Nao has pointed out:

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I'm not sure if Nodoka's attempt at liberation is because she's actually smart enough to escape her script, or if it's simply how she was scripted.

Her noticing the stain, and her notes, may simply be what's supposed to happen, but if so, then who's to say that becoming aware, or getting to the roof during a reset, isn't part of the script.

We know it technically is, but if Sel is going that route, then this really can only end rather depressingly.

Edit: Also Maya and Sensei may have become aware because without eachother they weren't "happy here".

RE: Nodoka and breaking the script —

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That said, after reading Comiies's interesting rundown, it occurs to me that

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[Xiondingens]

She asked her if she would be okay with her having another mental breakdown and "accidentally" hurting her. I think she is going to play dumb and actually harm her hoping Niki will say "yeah fuck this I'm out, this bitch is too cray cray", or something around those lines. I think coming out and telling her straight up that she loves Akira in a more than daughter-father way was also an attempt to make her step back. Maybe is also part of the start into the dark route and Ami eventually going all Higurashi on everyone... here's hoping anyway.

But this clearly wouldnt work. So if -and that is a big if- it would happen that way, not only was the setup pretty poor, it would also end with the status quo. Niki wont leave, ami looking crazy again. And then what? Ami will come up with a new evil plan each update? I really think the only two possibilities that already have set up is, Niki going crazy/getting taken over by sekei -or at least something that looks like her- or Ami leaving evidence out there for Niki to find that Akira fucks over half the class by now.

I mean Sel did introduce the niki lost senity for a reason. And ami has now all the evidence she could ever wanted. And when they life together and might become hard to hide his fuckery already. I mean, from a story perspective it was already hard enough to get ami out of the way for him to invite one of the girls. Now he has to do it with niki too.

Hm, could be the reason the invitation mechanic still hasnt come back online.

 

[Riolol]

She asked her if she would be okay with her having another mental breakdown and "accidentally" hurting her. I think she is going to play dumb and actually harm her hoping Niki will say "yeah fuck this I'm out, this bitch is too cray cray", or something around those lines. I think coming out and telling her straight up that she loves Akira in a more than daughter-father way was also an attempt to make her step back. Maybe is also part of the start into the dark route and Ami eventually going all Higurashi on everyone... here's hoping anyway.

I think Ami is going to try to get caught with Akira by Niki but that might just happen on it's own. It's not really clear how much Ami and Akira have been fucking lately but they surely haven't stopped, moving Niki in is retarded when you think about it (unless you are a good uncle, I always forget that's an option).

 

[ElukiaTV]

Gentleman, a question i have regarding one of the next version previews we got here.

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[Xiondingens]

I think Ami is going to try to get caught with Akira by Niki but that might just happen on it's own. It's not really clear how much Ami and Akira have been fucking lately but they surely haven't stopped, moving Niki in is retarded when you think about it (unless you are a good uncle, I always forget that's an option).

And the good uncle path is the reason why that wont happen. And instead it will with a girl where we basically never had any choice.

 

[Moonflare]

I think Ami is going to try to get caught with Akira by Niki but that might just happen on it's own. It's not really clear how much Ami and Akira have been fucking lately but they surely haven't stopped, moving Niki in is retarded when you think about it (unless you are a good uncle, I always forget that's an option).

Yeah, given that good uncle in an option it kind of debunks Ami's plan being essentialy Niki catching them (it could be more of an accessory). However, I will say that it never fails to amuse me just how much Niki doesn't know about Akira. It's shocking really.

The things she misses on purpose are one thing, like blinding herself to his cheating and overall teenage sex - but things like the incest are really strange. Her idea of having to explain to Ami why incest is bad when she's Sekai daughter is borderline between funny and tragic. Most of all, how come she aknowledges that Akira lost his world when Sekai died, yet thinks he could have been a virgin when they meet again? [...] it's like, what? lol

You're devoting your whole life to this person and yet have no idea about the most important things in his life. Granted, Niki has a lot going for her. But good luck trying to improve Akira when Akira and Ami are going to keep having sex under your roof. I guess we'll learn if Niki's just bark soon enough (cause at the moment, the ability to accept this side of things is the only thing Noriko has going for her - and the lack of a heavier history together too I guess, but that's still an advantage for Niki).

 

[Riolol]

Yeah, given that good uncle in an option it kind of debunks Ami's plan being essentialy Niki catching them (it could be more of an accessory). However, I will say that it never fails to amuse me just how much Niki doesn't know about Akira. It's shocking really.

The things she misses on purpose are one thing, like blinding herself to his cheating and overall teenage sex - but things like the incest are really strange. Her idea of having to explain to Ami why incest is bad when she's Sekai daughter is borderline between funny and tragic. Most of all, how come she aknowledges that Akira lost his world when Sekai died, yet thinks he could have been a virgin when they meet again? [...] it's like, what? lol

You're devoting your whole life to this person and yet have no idea about the most important things in his life. Granted, Niki has a lot going for her. But good luck trying to improve Akira when Akira and Ami are going to keep having sex under your roof. I guess we'll learn if Niki's just bark soon enough (cause at the moment, the ability to accept this side of things is the only thing Noriko has going for her - and the lack of a heavier history together too I guess, but that's still an advantage for Niki).

Fair point, I guess she will just go back to her original plan of chopping his dick off. Maybe that's the thing Sel had planned from year one? I think I'd prefer that over Chinami dying, I assume he'll get it back in a reset anyway.