Yeah, I'm not gonna argue on that point. Just... I can stomach him being a dick and not caring about anybody, and see where the story goes... but rape is a lot harder to stomach. Just hoping selebus doesn't go too deep into that myself.
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I wonder what's up with Kirin, it's pretty clear her sluttiness and overall unpleasant behavior towards Ayane and her sister stem from self-loathing, but i can't figure out if it's a result of her hatred towards her sister or something else. 
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I think you see what you want to see, and not what is really. In this game there is not a single real hint of pregnancy or even its opportunity.
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No opportunity? Did you miss the non-optional creampie in Prisoner?
As for hint -- while Ayane didn't come out and say it, Sensei had literally just given her a reason to NOT say it in Nevermind, including a not-so-veiled threat. But she was definitely playing "say you're pregnant without saying you're pregnant," even going so far as to say that she's just going to hint at it repeatedly until he figures it out.
Hell, Maya even figured it out, as she makes clear in the beginning of Before the Sun Comes Up
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I wouldn't say never, but it is unlikely given the genre's track record.
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That scene I mentioned doesn't make him seem to be against forcing them and what little in the entire game does seem like he's against forcing them really just makes him look like he's only trying not to do something that, while it may seem like it will get results toward his goal quicker, would actually just be shooting himself in the foot and denying him one or more of the girls. Without spoiling, you're in for one hell of a surprise, a particular scene that set me off big time when I typically don't have emotional outbursts at the actions of video game characters because of the, now useless, logic that it is just a game.
There definitely hasn't been outright rape yet, I can confirm that without spoiling, but I do stress yet as the game's setup makes that a very real possibility as long as there are no moral problems with creating such content for Selebus.
I think it's something else combined with those other aspects causing her to be more forward.I wonder what's up with Kirin, it's pretty clear her sluttiness and overall unpleasant behavior towards Ayane and her sister stem from self-loathing, but i can't figure out if it's a result of her hatred towards her sister or something else.
I have to agree, I have not seen any hint that he has impregnated one of the girls. However, I disagree on the last part, he has had multiple opportunities to impregnate them. The only reason I don't believe a girl is pregnant or has ever been impregnated in game is because pregnancy would be kind of a big deal and the expecting girl would be using every single opportunity to come out with that news.
There was that, but a creampie isn't an automatic impregnation, even in games. I agree there might be something she wants to tell him, but I disagree that it is pregnancy. I would also bring up Maya not having said anything outright, but I do get why she wouldn't or at least one reason why not, because it would ultimately be Ayane's news to break IF she was pregnant. It could even be based on a false positive, which are a thing as rare as they are.
I have yet to see a clear indication of any girl finding out they are pregnant, of which there are multiple possible candidates, including Ayane. There's a possibility, I won't argue that, especially when she's one of the most sexually active girls in the main cast, but I think it's only that at this time. I need more evidence than the game has provided thus far OR an outright admittance from someone who knows the news, whether Ayane herself breaks it or another girl who knows Ayane won't tell him after what he said, to confirm it.
Ayane was absolutely pregnant before the third reset and I will bet you any amount of money on this.
* The impregnation probably took place at the very start of that loop, in Patent-Pending -- Prisoner was in the previous loop and is a missable event that not everyone will get, but Patent-Pending is a 100% mandatory event with creampie.
* During the loop Ayane has weird food cravings, mood swings, and times of "feeling unwell" and canceling plans, which other people comment on
* Pregnancy comments take a dramatic tick upwards from her
* She has a couple of emotional breakdowns about her mother and the concept of motherhood, like on the walk with Sana in the park
* She mentions that there's something she needs to talk with Sensei about
* She calls Sensei to talk on the night of the reset and says that soon she's going to need "a lot more attention" from Sensei
* During the reset she makes it to the roof. Sensei asks Maya why she was able to get there and Maya says that she has an idea but it's so disgusting she doesn't want to say it.
* After the reset, when Sensei goes to talk to her at her dorm, she says that she has forgotten whatever it was that she needed to talk to Sensei about, and the scene ends with her saying that her stomach hurts.
* During the post-reset Ayane scene, and nowhere else in the game, on her whiteboard is a poem about how beautiful a new baby is when viewed by its mother and how beautiful the mother is when viewed by the baby, in hex. null125 quoted it above.
Come on, guys, this one wasn't even very subtle.
* The impregnation probably took place at the very start of that loop, in Patent-Pending -- Prisoner was in the previous loop and is a missable event that not everyone will get, but Patent-Pending is a 100% mandatory event with creampie.
* During the loop Ayane has weird food cravings, mood swings, and times of "feeling unwell" and canceling plans, which other people comment on
* Pregnancy comments take a dramatic tick upwards from her
* She has a couple of emotional breakdowns about her mother and the concept of motherhood, like on the walk with Sana in the park
* She mentions that there's something she needs to talk with Sensei about
* She calls Sensei to talk on the night of the reset and says that soon she's going to need "a lot more attention" from Sensei
* During the reset she makes it to the roof. Sensei asks Maya why she was able to get there and Maya says that she has an idea but it's so disgusting she doesn't want to say it.
* After the reset, when Sensei goes to talk to her at her dorm, she says that she has forgotten whatever it was that she needed to talk to Sensei about, and the scene ends with her saying that her stomach hurts.
* During the post-reset Ayane scene, and nowhere else in the game, on her whiteboard is a poem about how beautiful a new baby is when viewed by its mother and how beautiful the mother is when viewed by the baby, in hex. null125 quoted it above.
Come on, guys, this one wasn't even very subtle.
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This is all attracted by the ears. Ayene's desire to become a mother does not mean at all that it is pregnant. This is only her dreams. And she knows that Sensei will be against, so her psyche fails.
ps: Confirmation of pregnancy can only be one in the game - direct mention in dialogues. Not hint, but direct mention. Without this, all theories are only empty speculations.
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Thank you. I had misremembered the positioning of the previous reset relative to the beach event.
What an horrible game.
Im not going to review it, cos its just a case of, i really dont like twisted mcs.
The game itself is really well done, nice music and ambience too.
Its just the cruelty and indifference out of nowhere and lack of control that i as a player have on the mc actions, kills any interest i have on it.
Im not going to review it, cos its just a case of, i really dont like twisted mcs.
The game itself is really well done, nice music and ambience too.
Its just the cruelty and indifference out of nowhere and lack of control that i as a player have on the mc actions, kills any interest i have on it.
However, your first point runs into a complication, that's only one event and one creampie, while that CAN be enough, it isn't guaranteed to be.
Your second point is valid, those would be symptoms of pregnancy, however, those symptoms aren't exclusive to pregnancy, so they cannot be ruled as driven by pregnancy on them alone.
A scare can do this third point, it doesn't take a confirmed pregnancy to scare a girl into thinking she is actually pregnant even if she isn't. This scare could also trigger the other symptoms, a placebo effect of thinking she is pregnant. This scare could have come in the form of a false positive test and regular testing while sexually active without protection is a smart move on her part.
Again on the fourth, she may have scared herself with a false positive. If she thinks she is pregnant at her age and level of preparedness, she's going to worry that she isn't ready to be a mother.
The fifth may have been a number of things, not necessarily pregnancy, or it may, once again, I am really starting to sound like a broken record, be based on a false positive.
The sixth is definitely more concrete, but again could be either that she's feeling a bit more in need sexually or based on a false positive.
In the seventh point, Maya says it's disgusting, but she finds many things disgusting, particularly things involving the current Sensei, so that leaves a lot of possibilities.
Stomach pain is again more concrete, but this could be a different physical issue or it could be entirely caused by her thought process, a placebo effect from her worrying. I remember one time, when I was young, I was...let's just say I hit my stubborn streak early and hated going to school because my hearing was overly sensitive and unrefined at the time, causing me severe discomfort whenever there was a loud noise like that of a fire alarm like those used on school campuses during real fires or fire drills. One morning, I had been warned previously that such a drill would be occurring that day and refused adamantly to go to school, so I got punished by being sat in the hall until I could be taken in by other means. I ended up having to be taken by car and the thought of my step-father, who gets loud when angry, being the one to do it scared me to the point that my stomach literally got upset. It was a physical reaction to a mental thought, I wasn't sick for any other reason than my own thoughts making me sick at the prospect of being yelled at in the very small and very echoy confines of the car, which would make the yelling even more effective on my ears. My thought process was completely unfounded as, while he was disappointed, for once I didn't get yelled at.
Now that last point is not definitive, but given who the developer is, this is the most concrete evidence presented. Still what would be an almost sure sign is a mention of missing a certain cycle. Otherwise it could still be passed off as a false positive.
There is this as well, but we don't know how it affects pregnancy, especially if Selebus out of universe and the resets in universe are treating pregnancy the same as a grown person who still draws breath, as living entities. We know nothing of whether the resets exempt the dead from being reset nor whether the resets exempt those who have not yet been brought into the world. It is entirely possible that pregnancies carry into the next cycle just like my theory so far that anything living does, but it is also entirely possible that the unborn are treated the same as the dead in my theory, that they don't get carried over and are lost. We just don't know yet.
Not necessarily, she could very well be pregnant, but she could also not be. There is also the possibility she will lose that pregnancy in the next reset.
This game is not for everyone, good luck with finding something else.
Alex, you look like a bloke on Jeremy Kyle explaining why he is refusing to take a paternity test. The kid is yours bruv.
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She clearly have a complex towards npth her sister and Ayane, but also looks up to them. At least at some point, she used to look up to Ayane.I wonder what's up with Kirin, it's pretty clear her sluttiness and overall unpleasant behavior towards Ayane and her sister stem from self-loathing, but i can't figure out if it's a result of her hatred towards her sister or something else.
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Then, there's simply nothing to talk about. Thread's closed.
Look, there just aren't many things explicitly stated in this game and virtually all of our discussions revolve around reading between the lines. Even your current position on Ayane's pregnancy rest firmly on your interpretation of what's going on in this setting.
The case of Ayane's supposed pregnancy is, probably, the biggest and most obvious case of "say you're x without saying it". If your point that is nothing is real in this game or a subject of changing perception and retroactive editing, that's fine.You can't, however, say in good faith that "Ayane's pregnant/thinks she's pregnant" isn't what Selebus was going for. Her last event "Nevermind" is all about that:
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Man, poor Ayane. Sensei really is that fucked up, huh?
Hopefully he does realize what happened and it gives him a real "Oh God" moment.
Hopefully he does realize what happened and it gives him a real "Oh God" moment.
I was going to complain about the lack of spoiler tags but then I realized that 95% of the posts would just be all spoiler tagged.. guess I'll come back to chat when I'm done
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Yeah, sorry about that. I'll edit it.I was going to complain about the lack of spoiler tags but then I realized that 95% of the posts would just be all spoiler tagged.. guess I'll come back to chat when I'm done
alex2011, I agree with you that each of those items, taken individually, can be explained away. Taken as a whole, considering the fact that Selebus gave us all of them during the same reset, I think the weight of evidence is very strong that Ayane was pregnant.