i am not a pirate but it feels at some point instead of development he start only working on this care packages full year since i even not seeing his post of taking a break from development or roadmap it simple the sign that he slowly lose interest
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I'm really not a picky reader, but if what you say is true then probably even I will notice it. I'll be re-reading LiL from scratch in the following months, so I'm really curious to see if it's that badly misplaced, because previous ones were more or less moderate to me.If you haven't read the rework, you haven't read the scene I'm talking about. Once you do, if you can't recognize that objectively, any artist airing such a personal grievance in such an unveiled and narrative-jarring way detracts from the artistic integrity of the work as a whole (sorry, "makes it worse", for those coming from the discord)... I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. It's amateurish, and not in the charming way that the game used to be amateurish. Saying something like "doing this one thing in particular is dumb" isn't going to lead to a "clusterfuck of dozens of contradicting opinions".
On the latter, I see your point and I most certainly don't want to say that expressing your critique or disapproval is bad or unnecessary, but there's not so much you can and should do to enforce your vision. Say your opinion, but after that it mostly falls on the developer's shoulders (or what's above them) to discern shitty ramblings from sound advices, and if he can't - well you tried, not your fault and no sense pushing further. He must know better than anyone what are the core ideas and principals of his work that no one should tamper with, and where he can compromise.
Of course it's from my little experience, but it's less painful to watch a dev who fails, but is true to himself and his vision. Something like "Yeah, I'm a dick, so what, like it or not, I'm not changing my ways". On the contrary it's really hard to watch soft good guys, who are overwhelmed by a million obscure requests, who answer to every whim of the community. Of course, these are two polars and life is somewhere in between, but I place Selebus closer to the first one. As I see it, despite his increasing toxicity (but who am I to judge lmao) and some questionable ingame moments, the base game and plot are the same and probably will be for some time. But I too don't like where this is going and can only hope that Sel knows when and where to stop - a rare quality in these days. I recall, that so far he managed, but today I was unpleasantly surprised.
Eh, kinda yes, kinda no. Arguable. I think at this point LiL is fine on itself without much external advertisment. And probably even should be, because even this not very wide popularity brought a lot of trouble with Patreon, and I'm not sure I want to see what kind of misfortune can bring even wider recognition. But that's just me.
As for the idea of advertising games on 4ch - imo it's too much unpredictable due to its nature. Something might blow, but mostly not, and you have very little control over it. I think, intentional advertising there would more likely backfire you in the face (somewhat like it was with VNDB) and the idea of Selebus fighiting with anon mischiefs in addition to this f95 drama doesn't attract me.
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He only comes here when he wants to throw shade at people who hang out here. He limits status updates to the Discord.
There IS a roadmap on the Discord for the next 5 updates.
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Seems like no one was in the mood to help you. Anyway, the word of the day is perception.
This is absolutely not true. Selebus pretty consistently delivers on his two week per update schedule, unless he a) is doing a particularly large update (like the last few updates, and the next one) where he goes to a one-per-month update, or b) he has something that he needs to devote other time to, such as his wedding and honeymoon, which is why there is a current delay. These are always communicated, and the next release will be 3/15, at which point he is going back to a every two weeks schedule.
looks like he makes about 100k a year and a bunch of people here get the content for free, so, win-win. probably everyone should just shut up so he doesn't have a breakdown and stop updating.
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Oh, can i grab a copy of that please, last one i had ran out of date.
You've certainly got an interesting view there for someone who failed to acknowledge any of my points and just gave a very weak facepalm react.
Lessons in Love 0.29.0: Total Events: 0/19 Complete
Main Events: 0/5 Complete
Yumi Events: 0/3 Complete
Tsuneyo Events: 0/3 Complete
Miku Events: 0/2 Complete
Otoha Events: 0/3 Complete
Niki Events: 0/3 Complete
Picture Messages: 0/2 Complete
Headpats: 0/1 Complete
Programming: 0/19 Complete
Proofreading/Editing: 0/19 Complete
Estimated Release Date: 3/15/23
Lessons in Love 0.30.0 Part 1: Total Events: 0/12 Complete
Chika Events: 0/3 Complete
Maya Events: 0/3 Complete
Molly Events: 0/4 Complete
Yuki Events: 0/2 Complete
Animations: 0/2 Complete
Programming: 0/12 Complete
Proofreading/Editing: 0/12 Complete
Estimated Release Date: 4/1/23
Lessons in Love 0.30.0 Part 2: Total Events: 0/14 Complete
Noriko Events: 0/4 Complete
Kirin Events: 0/4 Complete
Sara Events: 0/3 Complete
Tsubasa Events: 0/3 Complete
Programming: 0/14 Complete
Proofreading/Editing: 0/14 Complete
Estimated Release Date: 4/15/23
Lessons in Love 0.31.0 Part 1: Total Events: 0/13 Complete
Ami Events: 0/3 Complete
Touka Events: 0/4 Complete
Kaori Events: 0/3 Complete
Rika Events: 0/3 Complete
Character Profile: 0/1 Complete
Programming: 0/13 Complete
Proofreading/Editing: 0/13 Complete
Estimated Release Date: 5/1/23
Lessons in Love 0.31.0 Part 2: Total Events: 0/13 Complete
Main Events: 0/5 Complete
Makoto Events: 0/4 Complete
Nodoka Events: 0/4 Complete
Picture Messages: 0/2 Complete
Programming: 0/13 Complete
Proofreading/Editing: 0/13 Complete
Estimated Release Date: 5/15/23
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Probably it has something to do with your points being boring, imaginary or plain dumb. I personally stopped treating them seriously after trigger words of "gaslighting and victim blaming".
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Thanks, any chance i can grab the image file version of it though? I keep the image in my LiL folder for quick reference.
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I thought he was joking. There were so many people asking this questions, that some started memeing it. Even Selebus did it in this very thread.
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To think that you of all people would unironically say this. Glass houses.
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About the impact of F95 on LiL, here's a quote from Sel :
There is also no denying that the instant leaks hurt the game nowadays.
I understand Selebus being angry at F95 about the "OP edit fiasco", especially since it happened during the patreon bullshit which was a particularly stressful time for him (like he was making 10k/month and suddenly 0, for no valid reason, imagine that).
And sure he could have taken the high road back then or even let bygones be bygones after a while, but he didn't and things escalated from there.
Bit of a shame, really. But eh, at least we got some quality drama because of it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Anyway there is no denying that F95 helped the game prosper quite a bit, regardless of the actual number.Selebus said:
There is also no denying that the instant leaks hurt the game nowadays.
I understand Selebus being angry at F95 about the "OP edit fiasco", especially since it happened during the patreon bullshit which was a particularly stressful time for him (like he was making 10k/month and suddenly 0, for no valid reason, imagine that).
And sure he could have taken the high road back then or even let bygones be bygones after a while, but he didn't and things escalated from there.
Bit of a shame, really. But eh, at least we got some quality drama because of it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Holy shit, I missed a fucking hurricane of drama... I wonder what Sel was trying to accomplish with this? Whatever it was, it seemed to have backfired. I hope he calms down because he's probably going to give himself a stroke.
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Don't need to when two other people destroyed your points better than I could before I even saw your points
It's also not a point of view I had a post deleted as well calling out the childish behavior. While I admit I am making an assumption on your origin. You are a burner account from like 4 years ago with very little posts that has done nothing but simp so it seems like a solid assumptionThousands of people browse this thread and 2-3 are leaking content. But it didn't use to be this way - back in the Patreon days, the number of patrons was similar, but updates used to take a few days to leak if they ended up leaking at all. I wonder what changed?
Care about what, Selly reaching his stated goal of making as much money as Summertime Saga? I don't know if you've noticed, but a lot of even the less popular games on this site leak pretty quickly here, as sharing and talking about games is what this website is for. So what you want is the staff of this website to sacrifice the desires of their entire community for those of one single already-successful game dev, making an exception for this one game among thousands, because why? He's not making enough money to support all the overhead he has, being a staunchly one-man crew who doesn't even have to pay for assets?
I get that what Selly wants is this thread deleted, but he's being megalomaniacal and irrational, because all that would do is ensure his growth completely and permanently stagnated. Every time this thread pops up on the latest updates page, thousands of people who have never heard of it before get the opportunity to discover it for the first time. Thousands of people who played it or saw it pop up in the past are reminded of its existence. This thread has almost 6 million views. All of those eyeballs come with a conversion rate of people generous enough to support its existence through patronage, which is the only reason he's reached the level of success he has. There is no other place on the internet that offers this kind of exposure, especially for games as depraved as this one. It will NEVER be hosted on Steam or GOG or any other mainstream marketplace at any point in the future, because of both the subject matter and the fact that he doesn't own the copyright on the visual assets.
Again - I'm interested in what the nuthugger perspective is for how else this game is going to be discoverable. How many people do you think talk to other people about the porn games they play, especially ones of this nature? How many have you, personally? I saw one guy in another game's thread talk about how he got his dad to play and support the game - do you think something similar has ever happened with this one?
Are there some other websites where this game has gotten even 1/10th the exposure it's gotten here? AFAIK, there's only Itch, who are beholden to Paypal and Stripe's content policies, who even you must realize would probably not be OK with processing payments for this game if they knew they were doing it. Luckily since no one here wants to actually harm a game dev, they are unlikely to for the foreseeable future, but that's the only real place this game has to fall back on if this thread goes away, AFAIK.
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Facepalmed because, as axelsk said, this question has been asked so many times in this thread and it just gums up the board
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You could just Highlight and Copy/Paste the text into Notepad and save as *.txt file. Or if you're lazy, here use mine.
I see Rika (Rin's mom) is confirmed next character to be released now(0.31 part 1)
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It was confirmed on discord a while ago but yeah good for her to finally get her first solo events.
The suspense is still very real as to who will be the 35th and last character.