Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.46.0] [Selebus]

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DeSkel15 said:
Keep in mind that one of her early events has her trying to protect the girls from Sensei:
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Then later feeling uncomfortable and wishing Sensei would have came back so that she could apologize for making him uncomfortable:
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(Otoha called this more or less, showing that she actually knows Nodoka quite well.)

Nodoka really does seem to be the overly protective awkward type. She also seems to take responsibility for things involving her friends, whether she should or not.
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I’ve always read this early moment of hers a little differently. Nodoka does care about a selected few (hence Otoha’s rescue mission and Futaba overall), but I didn’t think this moment was one of her rare caring side’s manifestations.

From what I am seeing, as a known extreme pervert and a smut novel writer, Nodoka was “excited” about finally having a chance to dig into the mind of essentially an irl harem protagonist. She will press difficult questions at the cost of making everyone uncomfortable so that she can dig as deep as she can. As in, her intend there felt like “simply learning” instead of “preventing potential harm”. Grilling him in front of audiences might help expose his true color more; or it might be an effective way to gauge how willing/honest/forthright Sensei might be when it comes to questions that directly related to his very obvious ulterior motives. No matter what the case was, I doubt the sole or the main purpose of that moment was to gatekeep (not to mention the lack of concern or questioning of the same topic thrown directly at the prospective recipients of the said potential harm if she was really mindful about this).

In other words, I don’t think Nodoka would do anything even if Sensei’s answer to the question “the likelihood of him accidentally harming any of us beautiful girls” was bluntly VERY LIKELY. Since she didn’t actively do more about anything at any other given time, and since it is so painfully obvious that Sensei WILL not hesitate to fuck everyone and WILL unavoidably break everyone’s heart, I am going to assume that her reasoning of that grill session wasn’t to protect, but to merely learn about someone that might soon become the most interesting addition to her life, in ways only she can appreciate (and I guess us too if we are still playing).

Edit: but I guess my biggest reason for this train of thoughts is that it makes Nodoka’s character trait more consistent.
 
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I’ve always read this early moment of hers a little differently. Nodoka does care about a selected few (hence Otoha’s rescue mission and Futaba overall), but I didn’t think this moment was one of her rare caring side’s manifestations.

From what I am seeing, as a known extreme pervert and a smut novel writer, Nodoka was “excited” about finally having a chance to dig into the mind of essentially an irl harem protagonist. She will press difficult questions at the cost of making everyone uncomfortable so that she can dig as deep as she can. As in, her intend there felt like “simply learning” instead of “preventing potential harm”. Grilling him in front of audiences might help expose his true color more; or it might be an effective way to gauge how willing/honest/forthright Sensei might be when it comes to questions that directly related to his very obvious ulterior motives. No matter what the case was, I doubt the sole or the main purpose of that moment was to gatekeep (not to mention the lack of concern or questioning of the same topic thrown directly at the prospective recipients of the said potential harm if she was really mindful about this).

In other words, I don’t think Nodoka would do anything even if Sensei’s answer to the question “the likelihood of him accidentally harming any of us beautiful girls” was bluntly VERY LIKELY. Since she didn’t actively do more about anything at any other given time, and since it is so painfully obvious that Sensei WILL not hesitate to fuck everyone and WILL unavoidably break everyone’s heart, I am going to assume that her reasoning of that grill session wasn’t to protect, but to merely learn about someone that might soon become the most interesting addition to her life, in ways only she can appreciate (and I guess us too if we are still playing).
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I'm not so sure that she'd stop him even then. If she figures out, or has figured out, that everyone 'resets' at a specific time, then it wouldn't surprise me to see her rationalize it out that even if Sensei were to break a girl's heart, as long as it's not one of the girls in the 'reset harem' (tm) that currently surrounds him... then there's really no harm in it. After all, when the reset finally happens, those girls who had broken hearts aren't going to remember what happened to them in the first place.

What we're seeing is a longer version of the "Groundhog Day Loop" trope, which has become somewhat popular as a writing tool for developers. On the surface, it lets you play around with different ideas or situations, with the knowledge that at some point everything will be reset back to the starting point, and by and large, whatever happened during that loop has no bearing on the future. Because, honestly, it never happened. Throwing in the idea that others can be trapped in (and aware of) the loop is a bit of a twist, but it doesn't change the fact that that's what we're seeing here.

It wouldn't at all surprise me for Nodoka to be somewhat self-aware of this trope, and fall into its typical cycle some, before quickly moving on to the second phase of that trope.

The phases, for those curious are:

1.) The character starts experimenting, then playing around with the people around them, confessing or acting on their feelings for another character, telling off their boss, getting themselves killed in interesting ways, and other things, in a form of Save Scumming.

2.)The character finally gets down to the business of what's causing the loop, and finds out how to stop it, often using the information learned in all the previous iterations to make sure this one last loop goes perfectly.

Given what we know about Nodoka, it's naturally plausible that she may skip step one like the other girls in the 'reset harem' (tm) have done thus far... but there's no guarantee such will be the case. From a writer standpoint, I'm not so sure I want her to skip that step myself. It actually could be interesting to see her playing around with other characters not directly included in the 'reset harem' (tm), to see what she could get away with, or what would happen. Which, could lead to a rather interesting dynamic should any of her playthings end up becoming part of the 'reset harem' (tm) while she's toying with them.
 
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LessonsInDissonance said:
From the MAIN cast (the 20 classroom girls only), which character is the worst written one.
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In my opinion it's Futaba, her plot was literally "I'm fat and I hate myself for it and even doing everything I can I can't change and I have insecurities because of it." and that's it, Futaba hasn't evolved much since chapter 1 until half of chapter 4 currently, the best thing about her so far was that she literally went to another dimension/happy event and that's it, There was nothing else significant in her character, in fact, her character only served to develop Yumi and Nodoka and a little bit of Rin, and that's it, she only served to improve these other characters.
 
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LessonsInDissonance said:
Selebus is such a cruel and disgusting person that he wishes to bring into existance a person that gets no love or dick no matter how much she wants/begs for it
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Literally putting an entire dimension between her and the penis she wants.



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It's me, back again with technical questions, and also plot thoughts.

Tech question: is it possible to have two separate instances of this game installed simultaneously? I've been just applying the update patches for like a year, and that has gotten a bit...messy between the DLC unlocker, the de-cheater and poking things with URM. Shit's less stable than Akira at this point and likes to spasmodically freeze, hang and crash whilst also deleting all my autosaves. So between that and being bored out of my fucking skull I've been thinking of downloading the most recent full version with the Ren'Py update, installing just the Progress Mod (not touching anything DRM-y) and starting a new clean playthrough. But I don't want to fully delete the old modded install since having a sandboxed version of this game is very handy (see: Alexis).

But going off my incredibly limited knowledge of how Ren'Py file structure is set up, I think this might get into issues with the %APPDATA% save directory and persistent file. Thoughts, anyone?

Actual game stuff: that was a really goddamn horny update. Not a complaint, but Sensei, dude...hydrate. Guy must've been shooting dust by the end of that Christmas party. At least Imani finally got herself a piece of that. Girl deserved it after waiting all this time. Not sure who to be more terrified of at this point, it really is one hell of a tossup between Ami, Chika and Tsubasa...and maybe Niki as a wildcard. Plot-wise this one was kinda filler IMO, that whole time fracture is still messing with me even with the flowchart from last time, and for the love of god WHY ALVIN AND THE CHIPMUNKS!?
 
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I just stumbled upon the newest review, nothing noteworthy about it until i came to the end of it. And lets say, I AM BAFFLED

The last metric I rate by is update schedule. Does the developer update the game with enough regularity that you aren't waiting for the game for an inordinate amount of time. Sadly, LiL's update schedule is... bad. Very bad. Much like other large games (Innocent Witches is a good example), the update schedule for LIL is such that you can expect to wait months before you see an update. Yes, the updates do contain some level of progression of the story, and are decently large; but that's really no excuse. Given the amount of what DOES come out with each update, it would be more reasonable for the developer to break those major updates down somewhat and have a more regular update schedule. However, they've chosen not to do that. I can't say why they've taken this path, but be warned, you may not hear much from the developer for some time before your next update comes out.

I rate Update schedule 1 of 5 stars.
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Pretty much everything is plain wrong in this paragraph!
The update schedule easily deserves 5/5, comparing to most decent games on here. It is actually a strongpoint of this game, having consistent updates for years and years on.
IDK guys, what games might the reviewer have played in order to develop such out-of-reality-expectations?
 
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