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I do love when NiB is referenced yet actually using it as a crutch is not recommended since not noly is it incomplete but it will aso be re-written.Praise be
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That definitely recontextualizes the event where manic Nodoka lures Akira outside of the boundary and he meets Himawari.
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Yes, I thought that myself as well. But unfortunately Himawari does not regard her as a coworker, as she should have for her Shiori.
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I think it's more likely that Nodoka stumbled upon Shiori (Himawari's coworker) just a month ago, and that's what Himawari's referencing in "scientific research". Then Nodoka kept the name "Shiori" from that encounter, just as she does to all sorts of fragmented information. But who knows... It could very well be that Shiori directed her there, and even Nodoka is a part of their plans to interfere with this cycle.
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Perhaps a sort of digression but I fully agree that Sel is a very deliberate writer. He just stuffed too many symbols and content and tried to confuse readers in every possible way. I basically considered LiL as a deranged piece of work at first but progressly I started to "grape the line"— There are themes always reoccuring and reiterating from different respectives for so many times that it started to get tedious.
As for those "Higher Powers", I would believe they are merely "machinery" and mirrors on the theatre as almost everything in LiL is more or less parodied and carnivalied. Even on itself as it's blatantly written "Non est deus" (There is no God or He is not God. Thus you must apply poetics rather than theology). I hold deep belief that everything here starts, pivots and ends on distorted figure Akira (and perhaps its corresponding in reality, the player, though I have yet to see more content on free will and agency of the players in LiL) and others are "interchangeable" (e.g. Maya—Sekai).
By the way apropos of those theological discussion, I in general see them simply as post-modernism cliches since there are really nothing worth talking about individually. Trite Dostoevskian ramble at best.
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Thread got way too intellectual, so this is Maya wanting to have sex.
That is all.
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This Himawari discussion inspired me to make another render:
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Maya flirting is relationship goals
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Moonflare: "This thread is too intellectual."
Moonflare, but as a character drawn in Microsoft Paint that was cut from my Noriko fanfic due to budget and time constraints:
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This seems a lot like a preview to me
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Lmao, in Zuko's shot, Akira's head was weirdly small, and in your beach shot, it's weirdly large.
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Well, it's the same situation as his "lower head", which is variable in size.
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Yeah I dunno wtf is up with the character card I have of Akira. It doesn’t seem to match up precisely to what’s in the game fsr. I have one named ‘Sensei’ from the front page and another named ‘Akira’ that someone else posted awhile back on the thread when they updated some character cards (that’s the one I used).
Probably will try the card from the OP next time and see how it does.
I mean it in the sense of Macrobius' Commentary on the Dream of Scipio. So the latter. However, the whole point of developing a hermeneutic is to try and untangle an esoteric text that isn't hiding that it's a tangle of influences and perspectives. The danger is in being really careful and clear with the hermeneutics you are using, as very quickly everything can mean everything and your obscuring more than you're illuminating. I would disagree with you though in that we can absolutely tease out a couple of the lenses we should be using, even if we can't pin down an exact influence. I would argue that the following is all on the table:
- Literature / Literary Theory: Akira's specialty as a teacher. Nodoka's whole character.
- Poetry / Poetry Theory: Wakana's specialty as a teacher. A lot of plot hinges on poetry. Sel writing actual good poetry for a porn game (much harder than you think).
- Christin Theology: Agnostic on the denomination, but knowing enough about Christian Theology Sel knows more than just a gloss.
- Music Theory: I believe Sel is a band / Music cues in this game seem deeply important. But this is a blank spot for me, personally.
- Theater Theory: I guess this could be me being unable not to apply my own knowledge but it does feel like Sel is at least comfortable with Brecht
- Philosophy: I mean....
- "Occultism": I'm not sure that Sel is a practitioner or anything, but I've come across many small references to some ideas that are held in common between theosophy/thelma/chaos magic.
I'm not trying to say your incorrect. It's very possible you are. I just think the text is more open than her being a "hostage" and treating the text as more open, may lead to better theory crafting down the line. But I think there is a huge difference in her being pulled into that event on false preferences and her disagreeing with methods. Hell pretty much every season of the The Boys is predicated on eventually one of the gang going to Butcher "Hold up, I didn't agree to this." Yet they all are oriented to the same goal.
I'm just softly trying to push back against any reading that has a "good" or "evil" attached to it. Himawari might want to make sausages, but not a lot of people wanna see or going to like how sausage is made.
I mean, this is where I get really Brechtian. I don't know how else to read the line, "Some would say he's been through nothing at all." without that context. Meaning, he hasn't experienced anything, because Akira isn't real. He hasn't experienced anything. We, the player is the one doing all the experiencing, and we can leave at anytime.
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I've brought this up before. I think Moyo drinking the bucket got her knocked up with Nao-chan.
On the stretch goal subject. Sel responded to a question about them being in game and not something like a care package. I know its selfish, but I want Akira to be part of these scenes if they are "cannon".
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I did not even think of that possibility, but y’know what? I could honestly see it.
Yeah, same here. I’m still not even sure what these ‘bonus animations’ are about. Like… will they be tied to actual events? In the Dorms? Maybe it’s just a non-canon sexy animation for fun and nothing else accessible on Sensei’s laptop?
Guess we’ll soon find out.
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Neither Moyo nor Nao-chan can speak properly, so there is that. At the same time, it would put into question Moyo's allegiance since Nao-chan seems very much to be something under the control of USER4 and sent to help Akira (whereas Long Maya would harm him with glee).
On the topic of canon scenes, as a player of erotic games I tend to dislike anything sexual that doesn't include the player as part of it, so if Selebus was doing this "for me" it would have the reverse effect. However, as it stands in the lore, Akira too has manifested that he doesn't like not being a part of the girls' developments, sexual or not. So we're most likely of the same mind on that.
I'm curious how a Rin x Sana "animation" would even go without Akira. Even more worringly is a Yasu x Touka one. When they were care packages it was fine, as it was all fanservice outside of the plot. To have it in the game puts into question Selebus' vision of a story versus being paid to include stuff in it - as I very much doubt Touka would willingly have anything sexual with Yasu. Let's hope we're misunderstanding what he means by "in-game", maybe it's a dream or something.
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Yeah man, I'm not even fully sure where we're going with this to be honest. As I said, if you meant the latter in your meaning of hermeneutical reading, then we're already doing that and that's just one part of everyone's attempts to understand the story and its meaning. We're already acknowledging the game's influences from literature, poetry, music, theology etc. in our understanding, too. The story is a tangled mess of influences and symbolism and that's why we're trying to decipher it. I'm also not sure why you think you're disagreeing with me when you say, for example, theology can be used to grasp meaning from the game. I literally have posts about it, and it's kind of insulting to insinuate that someone isn't aware of things like theology or philosophy for some reason. You're literally not disagreeing with me on Himawari, either, or what we know about why she was there, what was said beforehand, etc.
As far as getting Brechtian goes, I think that's what the problem is, and what I meant by viewing everything through one framework. Not broad, meaningless frameworks like theologic or poetic, which we're already using, but Brechtian. You can't try to say we should be more open in our reading, and then say "this line must be Brechtian." The same could be said for hermeneutics, which is just a method of interpretation (Of scripture, or literature broadly,) which is pretty much the point of the thread and not something new. But it clearly means something specific to you insofar as how you view the story. I gotta be honest and say I think you drank way too much theater kid kool-aid and that's shaped how you see the game, and you're assuming that you're either correct or connecting the dots the most logically. But you're kind of just saying to read more gooder, so... Cool?