The concern isn't the sex/gender of those involved in these matters, the concern is "purity" and "loyalty." As well as auxiliary negative feelings that just come from a bad event. Of course, there are dials and knobs here such that some don't consider purity as violated when there are only girls involved, but that's their business - I never thought of it once. What I observe occurring here are thought processes like: "their purity has been violated -> the purity should have been mine -> I want them less -> this is NTR", or "their loyalty has been called into question -> they should be loyal only to me -> this is NTR." Observe that the review in question misremembers the scene completely and falsely claims that the scene describes Ami as so much better than sensei; this is a self report wherein the reviewer reveals their insecurity for not being 'the best performer', and how they want heroines to never have their loyalty questioned by liking a sexual encounter with someone else more. This insecurity is so great they see it when it is not there. This is what I'm talking about - not "lol Ami is a girl so it's not NTR."
As for me, I would say a key element to true NTR - and what makes it so sickening on a broad scale - is the distortion of Love and values. For example, we understand Maya to have a strong love for Sensei and to greatly value her relationship with him. What would turn the scene into NTR is for her love to be diminished and her values distorted following this encounter; for her to love Sensei less and for her values to be changed such that, e.g., she now puts more value on who fingers her the best rather than who has gone through hell with her or is a perfect personality match or w/e. These kinds of things are horrifying in two ways: one, they trample Love (the most sacred of all human emotions), and two, they essentially murder someone. Value drift is not taken particularly seriously by most people but in practice we can say that we are what we stand for and that our beliefs being corrupted is a corruption of the fundamental self. (Eventually, one comes to realize there is nothing to lean on in the entire world except our beliefs.) So someone "changed" by these kinds of experienced, NTR'd into another being, is essentially dead and gone.
This is to say in summary that an instance of rape (wherein the party enjoys it or not), or an instance of impurity, is not where the threat of true NTR lies. True NTR is a corruption love and values. Which can still happen! If, say, there is an extended arc of Maya following after Ami like a stray cat while denouncing ever having felt anything for Sensei (or something), then that would be NTR. Tsuneyo... well, her NTR may be ridiculous, I envision her shouting that she loves cock more than noodles, so the real threat there is Sensei NTRing her away from Noodles (both meanings) more than her being ntr'd from Sensei. And so on. Therefore we see that people responding to a scene poorly because it plays on their insecurities, denies their... 独占欲 as the Japanese say, threatens the purity of heroines, and so on, is not actually cause for ringing the NTR alarm. That is simply sensitivity resulting in NTR being called as a boogeyman representing any instance of a heroine not being fully pure and fully devoted to the protagonist.
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It might be simpler than that. He might hate NTR as a fetish to make one's PP hard but like it as an act antagonists can perform to make you hate them. I'd argue nothing NTR like in this game approaches the salt mine that would happen if Yumi or Rin starts fucking Wakana's brother or something because they don't feel comfortable having sex with Sensei yet.
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Okay, hear me out. Put on a tin foil hat. What another name she might have?
a) Totally new name which never mentioned before — meh. Like, maybe she is... Random Japanese female name generator help: It says "Momoko". Or, if we include only name started with Y... She is "Yoshiko", xdddd
b) Name that was mentioned before, but we never connected it with Yumi — there is a chance, but I don't want to dig into that rabbit hole.
c) She is part of the Arakawa family... But why not? We speculate that Sana, Rin and Nodoka could also be related to the Arakawas. Yuki can't remember who Yumi's biological father is, so she jokingly suggests that Akira might be Yumi's father, since Yuki doesn't have any memories of her sexual partners. (I am not saying Akira is Yumi's dad. But I am implying Akira's brother/father can be her dad). Therefore, there is a possibility that Yumi has Arakawa genes, which is why Sensei subconsciously wants to get closer to her.
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I dunno, looks pretty straightforward for me: Ami's and New Maya' future is Maya Primes's past. Fits the idea of infinite cycle of suffering really good. Everything else is just an explanation of how it might work, not something I'm really sure about. I dropped that scheme only because I already had it
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WAT?
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You talk about us as if we were some lesser beings
But it does make sense and it irked me the same way. There would be no real reason for her to just not do the same, or similar, that she did during her happy ending timeline and forcefully destroy it.
Unless her current goal is not mainly about being the only love interest for Akira, maybe she is working on something else, like resurrecting Sekai or something similarly devious.
In any case, this is the perfect time to replay the game and look for some hints in Ami's behavior from previous chapters. And to finally go for the green route in order to not feel excluded from the cool guys club
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"If you can do anything, anyone can do anything. Anything can do anything. And this creates a world of Limitless possibilities. It creates an infinite amount of worlds where different things can happen"
Yeah, with this being said...I think that's what is happening here. Either each reset creates a different possibility and branches off, or something like that. Or there's just alternate worlds that exist as these possibilities. But I think it's more the actions taken during resets create different worlds. But ALSO there are different worlds besides these alternate realities.
If this game utilizes the Schrödinger's cat theory in some way or something I wouldn't be surprised. Then there's all the Gods were being introduced to, and the really high ones that mention a multiverse of worlds. (Forgot which event it was, but it was a God that looked like Ami that spoke as if it were really powerful, better than other gods. Brought up the cog and wheels stuff too). Then that God of saves speaking about looking at other people's lives and memories. Brings up a file on Akira and just calls it rough lol.
Anyway, "if something breaks here somewhere else it wont". Assuming one universe is getting reset, and the others have their own going on(or not), well damn this is getting interesting. Or it could be some other whacky thing of course, but I think the ami that stabbed nadoka is just another variant of psycho ami right? Not even the same one..these things vary. Then there's other worlds mentioned in "oceanic part"? So idk about that part...seems their world is terminal 23?
So "Terminal 23" is their world. Then there are other terminals or whatever...but do resets happen in those other worlds? Probably not, where it gets confusing
Yeah, with this being said...I think that's what is happening here. Either each reset creates a different possibility and branches off, or something like that. Or there's just alternate worlds that exist as these possibilities. But I think it's more the actions taken during resets create different worlds. But ALSO there are different worlds besides these alternate realities.
If this game utilizes the Schrödinger's cat theory in some way or something I wouldn't be surprised. Then there's all the Gods were being introduced to, and the really high ones that mention a multiverse of worlds. (Forgot which event it was, but it was a God that looked like Ami that spoke as if it were really powerful, better than other gods. Brought up the cog and wheels stuff too). Then that God of saves speaking about looking at other people's lives and memories. Brings up a file on Akira and just calls it rough lol.
Anyway, "if something breaks here somewhere else it wont". Assuming one universe is getting reset, and the others have their own going on(or not), well damn this is getting interesting. Or it could be some other whacky thing of course, but I think the ami that stabbed nadoka is just another variant of psycho ami right? Not even the same one..these things vary. Then there's other worlds mentioned in "oceanic part"? So idk about that part...seems their world is terminal 23?
So "Terminal 23" is their world. Then there are other terminals or whatever...but do resets happen in those other worlds? Probably not, where it gets confusing
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Instead of answering anything about the 4 Ami's image from last Halloween, I think this update has just given me even more questions about it. I have more questions about Ami's supposed death from the same reset as well. You could go in a few different directions with both those lines of questioning, but the first things that come to my mind are:
Did a different Ami replace our Ami? Did said different Ami kill our Ami and replace her? Perhaps this has happened before? And has the "Old One" made an appearance since Ami was killed in that reset? It may have, but I cant really remember any other than one time when you go back to the karaoke place with Karin. It was on the wall as part of the strange abstract image with the red spider lily we were supposed to pay attention to. But I'm not sure if that would count as an active appearance because I thought it was more of a strange Akira memory thing.
Also now that I'm looking at that image again it seems to be deliberately including characters from the reset karaoke place. Maya, dolphin(Sana?), Sunflower(Ayane?) and the Old One. Its leaving out Ami which is interesting unless the red spider lily is Ami, but I'm pretty sure red spider lily's have something to do with dead and reincarnation so it could have something to do with Sekai instead. But also Ami if a different Ami replaced Ami.(Could the Old One be some kind of ancient eternal Ami that Replaced Ami. Because the Old One did seem to follow Akira around a lot which is kind of an Ami thing to do... And I don't think the Old One has shown up actively since the reset where Ami was killed. I Kind of hope someone tells me I'm wrong and it has shown up since then because I feel like I must be missing something and I'm going too far out on a limb here. I don't know what the fuck the Miku's are supposed to be representing though. Unless its a, she's as flat as a table so she is the table joke. Or abs as hard as a table so is the table would also work. But she is also all over the wall in the other image so I don't know what she is supposed to be.
I'm not sure where I'm going with this beyond random speculation, or if there even is anywhere to go with the information we currently have. So I probably wont end up going anywhere with it beyond this post. But Ill still be thinking about it. In relation to this I am also thinking about "Not the Nightingale" main event again. But it is also not really going anywhere substantive. Ill be waiting for other people to post their full "Pepe Silvia" theory's about the new update so that I can think about them instead.
Did a different Ami replace our Ami? Did said different Ami kill our Ami and replace her? Perhaps this has happened before? And has the "Old One" made an appearance since Ami was killed in that reset? It may have, but I cant really remember any other than one time when you go back to the karaoke place with Karin. It was on the wall as part of the strange abstract image with the red spider lily we were supposed to pay attention to. But I'm not sure if that would count as an active appearance because I thought it was more of a strange Akira memory thing.
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I'm not sure where I'm going with this beyond random speculation, or if there even is anywhere to go with the information we currently have. So I probably wont end up going anywhere with it beyond this post. But Ill still be thinking about it. In relation to this I am also thinking about "Not the Nightingale" main event again. But it is also not really going anywhere substantive. Ill be waiting for other people to post their full "Pepe Silvia" theory's about the new update so that I can think about them instead.
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Well, I certainly am not an expert in hentai terminology. Still, I just can't see how Ami raping Maya could classify as NTR. I thought NTR required the love interest to start loving the "NTRer" more (this shit sounds so silly, lol). Regardless, our little Ami would never stand a chance against Sensei, especially when it comes to Maya. There's no way Maya will love Ami more than Sensei. What bothered me in that scene was the rape and Ami's callousness. Rape isn't cheating or anything. There's no NTR. Sensei himself, seeing that scene, would get hard and then proceed to fuck Ami in the ass.
That Maki gangbang scene or that fake Tsubasa massage thing also couldn't be anything near NTR (Maki would probably become monogamous for Sensei lol).
But I get it. It's perfectly reasonable someone would be uncomfortable with seeing or hearing the love interests engaging in sexual contact with anyone else other than the protagonist in an uncontrolled manner.
My point is that Selebus aims to attack precisely these people. It is some NTR-adjacent area that doesn't really classify as NTR but makes some people upset.
Wakana herself is at risk right now. Rin arguably has been the victim of a certain type of "NTR" someone mentioned here (bad homie). I don't know, though.
My belief is that NTR isn't really applicable in LiL. Sensei technically had Sekai fucking Nozomu while with him. Was it a double NTR of sorts, then? Depends on your definition of NTR, I guess.
And why does he want to do that? Personally, I think he wants to make a point. "Be less insecure!"; "Do not care about the past of your partners!". Something like that. Most authors want to impact their readers in some form. Maybe he's annoyed. Who knows.
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There really is no telling since it's one of those things Sel hasn't brought up again. It could be all three, she could be Saki reincarnated or something else. It's probably one of those obscure things wehere if you figure this out you solve the game.
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The Anti NTR hardliners will count basically anything as NTR these days, so why change your game to please them? Probably best to just ignore them, there is other stuff out there they can play if a game with basically just 1 male character somehow doesn't meet their standards. Some of them are like the jehovah's witness of H games, they will give you their entire manifesto if you don't ignore them. I guess the interactive element must set them off even more than with other mediums.
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Huh, she's bleeding from a seemingly broken hymen in this scene. But wouldn't Akira have already done that long, long ago?... I forget the context of this image, and whether or not this was already discussed
Blow it out your ass and learn to use the search bar
Can you imagine the amount of server space that could be salvaged if all stupid discussions about what is or isn't NTR were erased from this forum?
It's also super entertaining to watch people debate NTR about a game that explicitly isn't made with the intent of providing jerk off material.
It's also super entertaining to watch people debate NTR about a game that explicitly isn't made with the intent of providing jerk off material.
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Yeah, let's talk about how big Sensei's dick is.
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It really is crazy how serious the topic of NTR is being treated in this forum.
Like, imagine that someone just registered on here to leave a 1-star review for this game after (as they themselves said) 100 hours of gameplay, simply because a character, who might not even be who we think they are, is getting raped. And calling it classic NTR as well, which is just factually incorrect.
As Tsuneyo would say: This forum iscooked baked, bro. (Courtesy of k1n5l4y3r)
Like, imagine that someone just registered on here to leave a 1-star review for this game after (as they themselves said) 100 hours of gameplay, simply because a character, who might not even be who we think they are, is getting raped. And calling it classic NTR as well, which is just factually incorrect.
As Tsuneyo would say: This forum is
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Your question is a very reasonable extension upon witnessing story development in any media that involves "a close and harmless character who was introduced very early on turning out to be the ultimate antagonist this entire time". Selly needs to plan this out REALLY WELL since the beginning if he's going into this direction to provide good answers to questions like "Why keeping the status quo when this world is far from being optimal to Ami?".
The reason I wrote that entire block of text essentially is to offer Selly an escape hatch to avoid just that, as currently a good explanation to Ami not flipping her murdering/torturing switch on very early is really lacking. One can argue that Ami might only know things from the past gazillion cycles and not automatically the current one, or might only get triggered under highly specific conditions (ex: has to be Maya, has to be certain knowledge about the fuckery, etc). Still, it's hard to believe that a character with such hidden knowledge AND willingness to commit the unspeakable would play her role this passive.
I have the same thought, that Ami after reset6 was replaced by something else; perhaps by The Old Ones, perhaps by an Ami from another timeline, just something so that we can assign a meaning to her crucifixion and an explanation why Ami hasn't been doing something when she knew so much all along. This idea would also resonate a shit ton of "skin walker talk" in the last two updates.
Just to add more spices: immediately after Ami crucifixion, "another Ami showed up" in the karaoke with Sensei while The Old Ones was presumably in the background. I am not saying this IS the certified missing piece, as right now I too can only point out where suspicious scenes could be. Any other pieces that can support or disprove this idea would be very welcome.
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I kinda assumed she was...raped by using a dagger...or something even more unpleasant
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Nah, Tsuneyo would say baked or boiled, then the Emerald Guardian would correct her.
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Don't teach Tsuneyo about phrase "bun in the oven"