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I can absolutely see every example you brought up as Ami faking not knowing. Mind you, Ami would have shared Akira with Maya countless times by then. Even if it's fragmented memories, it falls into the explanation Maya herself gives: Ami is playing a game. And she only acts out in a violent manner if the game is disturbed to a certain degree. As for her not knowing, Ami straight says she has known all along so I mean... I don't see how that's up for debate, unless one assumes she only gained knowledge of it at a certain point through possession or recovery of her own memories.

As for her teasing Akira and Maya about it, she does it all the time. One other instance is her talking about how "someone" took their spare key and she had to change all the locks. She prods them to mark territory. As for the "breed your niece", that same event has her telling Akira that they both see things that no one else can see, so that would further reinforce them both knowing about resets (her more than him), rather than disprove it.
This is similar what I mentioned in my most original post, but what I failed to elaborate is that "I believe early Ami and recent Ami are knowledge-wise not the same person". Therefore, I do not need to force myself to see things as Ami faking it when past interactions were not situations where Ami was clearly faking it. Meanwhile, your idea is that "early Ami knowledge-wise has always been the exact same person as recent Ami the whole time". In order for that to work, you have to see things as Ami always faking it (not just when she's with Maya; it has to be every single moment) because you have to.

I.e., you're supporting your claim with a subjective lens, and you'll have to offer something that's other than "because recent Ami knows so the early Ami must've known as well" and can do a clear demonstration on how much early Ami knew in order to prove your case. And I will go a step ahead and say that the spare key incident and the "they both see things that no one else can see" you mentioned will not be valid unless you can prove that what those are insinuating is exactly the same as what you claim. As in, you need to elaborate on how those connect to early Ami knew stuff and more importantly, how those connect ONLY to that and not some unused side plots or pretentious red herrings on Selly's end.

How my brain deals with this dilemma is exactly like you proposed, however: I assumed that Ami gained/regained knowledge at a certain point (or more violently, she got swapped either physically or mentally like Sensei iterations' situation) and facilitated the transformation of early jolly Ami to recent evil Ami. My headcanon is that I assume it happened when Ami got crucified, but in reality I am not 100% sure when/how/why. Getting triggered by reset talks or great disturbances in the game sounds appealingly plausible as well, but again the point is that: until that happens in the story, we don't need to see early Ami the same person as recent Ami, both knowledge-wise and sinister-wise (unless you manage to prove that it happened extremely early on that is).

I will die on this hill, I believe we are all ultimately victims of confirmation bias and will interpret past interactions to what fits our own views. To me it is not clear whatsoever that Ami has any form of prior knowledge of her own (by that I exclude any God and Sekai involvement). She really does act like a horny teenage girl that is really into her uncle and wants what's best for her friends. At least at the beginning of the game.
That's my hill move over!

I honestly quite like the idea of Ami being the ultimate antagonist this whole time, but these past interactions are far from qualified as any form of justification. If an argument is something similar to "Ami faked it" or "Ami planned it", then you create this argument not because it's obvious from these scenes that Ami masterminded everything, but because it's a subjective but necessary bias required for your hypothesis to work, and you can't use the goal you're trying to prove as the validation of your proof (if that makes sense).

In other words, one will need additional but very direct materials to prove the same concept from a different angle to cement the idea "early Ami already knew shit and/or planned shit just like recent Ami did". If the newest aggressive Ami came out and confessed about something the early jolly Ami did in Ch1 actually being an elaborate plot of hers, I'd yield. If the early jolly Ami every once in a while had those "silent evil heh" frames the newest aggressive Ami so commonly showed, I'd yield. These would help avoid pitfalls like neglecting the easier options on the table and going for the more arguable options not because they're more possible, but because they're required for the sake of the theory.
 
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In other words, one will need additional but very direct materials to prove the same concept from a different angle to cement the idea "early Ami already knew shit and/or planned shit just like recent Ami did". If the newest aggressive Ami came out and confessed about something the early jolly Ami did in Ch1 actually being an elaborate plot of hers, I'd yield. If the early jolly Ami every once in a while had those "silent evil heh" frames the newest aggressive Ami so commonly showed, I'd yield.
Now I wonder if one day, after LiL ends, Selebus will find time to make supplementary material expanding on events from the game, kinda like the WoW novels.
Also, the latter wouldn't necessarily be evidence of mastermind Ami, just, y'know, Ami being possessive and acting on it.
 

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question to you all, how much do you all think this game has traumatized me? from 1 being the lowest to 5 being like my brain just can't cry anymore and just wants sweet ------?
 

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question to you all, how much do you all think this game has traumatized me? from 1 being the lowest to 5 being like my brain just can't cry anymore and just wants sweet ------?
For you? About 8 bananas out of a sandwich. For me? Not even a little... This game isn't traumatizing at all cause it's just fiction, it's interesting but none of it is real... honestly, i kinda lose a bit of my humanity every time i see someone crying in this thread for a completely stupid reason, and to be clear, they're all stupid reasons; Maya died? Whaa. Someone was mean to someone else? Whaa. Nodoka/Niki/Kirin is a poopy pants? Whaa. Closest this game has come to traumatizing was stomachache, but even that was simply an intense experience, i didn't walk away with any scars, just a new insight into a subject i have no personal experience with.
 

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I for one will greatly welcome a Kirin apology arc.
Ayane didn't deserve what Kirin did to her and I hate how she just brushed it all off like nothing.
 
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Now I wonder if one day, after LiL ends, Selebus will find time to make supplementary material expanding on events from the game, kinda like the WoW novels.
Also, the latter wouldn't necessarily be evidence of mastermind Ami, just, y'know, Ami being possessive and acting on it.
I think I remember Selebus saying once that he would be open to writing gaiden chapters / content for the girls, except Sensei wouldn't be present. This was an interesting comment I find myself contemplating from time to time. This could mean -

1) Selebus is a DUMB DUMB YURI HEAD who, once given the opportunity, will eradicate all penises from his writing
2) Sensei is the non-real figure rather than Ami/Ayane/Maya and won't exist in the reality which follows breaking out of LiL's fiction
2.5) This would follow from Sensei being the one who committed suicide at the start and necessitated his students to imagine a world with him alive (much like it is likely he is doing that with Maya right now)
3) Sensei is a real figure who would be present in the future except since the true route is abandoning a reliance on fiction (possibly almost the entire cast of LiL, possibly just the second floor of the dormitory) he won't be there and fiction will have to continue for fiction's sake
 
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Sincerely hope their history isn't just swept under the rug.
Nothing good happens when you share a weiner with Ayane. Chika has rabies and now Kirin might get turned into somebody's front porch after Chika is done with her.
 

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For you? About 8 bananas out of a sandwich. For me? Not even a little... This game isn't traumatizing at all cause it's just fiction, it's interesting but none of it is real... honestly, i kinda lose a bit of my humanity every time i see someone crying in this thread for a completely stupid reason, and to be clear, they're all stupid reasons; Maya died? Whaa. Someone was mean to someone else? Whaa. Nodoka/Niki/Kirin is a poopy pants? Whaa. Closest this game has come to traumatizing was stomachache, but even that was simply an intense experience, i didn't walk away with any scars, just a new insight into a subject i have no personal experience with.
Dude has the empathy of a rock.
 

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For you? About 8 bananas out of a sandwich. For me? Not even a little... This game isn't traumatizing at all cause it's just fiction, it's interesting but none of it is real... honestly, i kinda lose a bit of my humanity every time i see someone crying in this thread for a completely stupid reason, and to be clear, they're all stupid reasons; Maya died? Whaa. Someone was mean to someone else? Whaa. Nodoka/Niki/Kirin is a poopy pants? Whaa. Closest this game has come to traumatizing was stomachache, but even that was simply an intense experience, i didn't walk away with any scars, just a new insight into a subject i have no personal experience with.
Bingoogus has entered his villain arc.

I, personally, events that closely resemble my life aside, have dealt with many unexpected and conflicting feelings while playing, which is something considering my age.

Also many of the character arcs are compelling. Not all and not all the time certainly, but there are moments.
 

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2.5) This would follow from Sensei being the one who committed suicide at the start and necessitated his students to imagine a world with him alive (much like it is likely he is doing that with Maya right now)
Like the Gods?
You might be unto something here...
 

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For you? About 8 bananas out of a sandwich. For me? Not even a little... This game isn't traumatizing at all cause it's just fiction, it's interesting but none of it is real... honestly, i kinda lose a bit of my humanity every time i see someone crying in this thread for a completely stupid reason, and to be clear, they're all stupid reasons; Maya died? Whaa. Someone was mean to someone else? Whaa. Nodoka/Niki/Kirin is a poopy pants? Whaa. Closest this game has come to traumatizing was stomachache, but even that was simply an intense experience, i didn't walk away with any scars, just a new insight into a subject i have no personal experience with.
+1 here. They're characters in a story that I'm witnessing, that's all there is too it. When Maya got popped I was like "damn, exciting twist, wonder where this will go story wise" but otherwise ... I dunno. Good at separation I guess?
 
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fiction will have to continue for fiction's sake
This reminds me of a web serial where the protagonist was pretty much the main driver for the events that kept occurring in the story, and was so intertwined with the overall narrative and events of the story, that when it ended, despite the theme and message being very clear, the author himself had to come out and say that the world kept moving and that the protagonist's story was now done and wouldn't cross paths with the next installment.
I wonder if something similar will happen to LiL, in that Selebus may expand it with material unrelated to Sensei, and we, the readers, try to shoehorn Sensei in those stories.
 

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Jokes on you I took the option to walk out.
Red path is increasingly being treated like comedy. A few more of those choices and the game's gonna end with "and then we save maya and then we bust through the barrier and then we save all the unicorns the end"
I wonder if something similar will happen to LiL, in that Selebus may expand it with material unrelated to Sensei, and we, the readers, try to shoehorn Sensei in those stories.
I got a vivid image of Sensei dying at the end of LiL and then those scenes ending up with some variation of "And then Sensei's corpse appeared"
 

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Red path is increasingly being treated like comedy. A few more of those choices and the game's gonna end with "and then we save maya and then we bust through the barrier and then we save all the unicorns the end"
If there is a good ending by the GODS I will get it.
 
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This reminds me of a web serial where the protagonist was pretty much the main driver for the events that kept occurring in the story, and was so intertwined with the overall narrative and events of the story, that when it ended, despite the theme and message being very clear, the author himself had to come out and say that the world kept moving and that the protagonist's story was now done and wouldn't cross paths with the next installment.
I wonder if something similar will happen to LiL, in that Selebus may expand it with material unrelated to Sensei, and we, the readers, try to shoehorn Sensei in those stories.
Selebus can be sure that I will be there like an avenging angel, ever-present and prepared with deadly resolve to collect all my powers of imagination together to contrive a dick into any scene which attempts to yuri-ify my beloved heterosexual heroines who have never expressed any interest in any sex but men (Sensei). That potted plant in the corner? Actually Sensei, waiting for the right moment. That stuffed rabbit between Rin and Molly on the couch? That's actually Sensei hidden by a perception filter by those uncapable of facing such a masculine reality. Tsuneyo wearing a dildo? That's actually Sensei in a Halloween costume. Through the intensity of my worship and desperation I will defy his creed and form a religion which replaces reality. Sensei is dead, long live Sensei!
 
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