Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.47.0] [Selebus]

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LessonsInDissonance

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Since it really is that time of the year again, here's mine. (only characters from A tier and above are in order)

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My A tier seems to have grown quite a lot.
Biggest character jump was Io from C to high A.
Wizards are taking over...
Nakayamas and Maya are still trash. I'M GONNA ENJOY THE NEXT UPDATES
 
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Antosha

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Carbon13 said:
Looks like I'm coming in at the right time with the discussion over whether a VN can be traumatic. I'm putting this one down, probably for good. This is the darkest, most depressing thing I've ever read. I'm not even all the way through Ch.2 and I came on here and the wiki to see if things get better, and no. No they do not.

But that leads me to a question: to all of you who enjoy this, why? Genuine question, not a dig. What is it you get out of this? I'm genuinely curious as to what you DO feel reading these things. If anyone wants to weigh in, please do.

I just needed to get some thoughts out and now I'm going to go interact with the real world, which is shockingly not as dark as this VN, at least not as constantly. And that's not a sentence I ever thought I'd say.
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I like dark stories. Really nothing more to it, it's enjoyable to experience well written and fucked up fiction.
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So I'm not usually a huge fan of dark-for-dark's-sake stuff. It usually bores me as much as sunshine-and-daisies fluff.

The horror and emotional degradation aspects of this game don't really do much for me--which is funny, because they're really the main esthetic thrust.

For an h-game, LiL's sex doesn't exactly launch my rocket. Just about every sex scene has elements (age, consent, etc.) that make me uncomfortable enough that I have a hard time (heh) thinking of them as actually sexy.

And the central theme of pedophilia creeps me the fuck out. (But at least he's taking it seriously and not just saying Mmmm, little boys and girls... The psychological and physical damage on both abusers and victims is treated remarkably realistically, as nearly as I can tell. Deeply unpleasant, but well done.)

But there are a few things that I think keep pulling me back:
  • Sel creates complex, compelling characters who I find myself caring and wanting to find out more about. Even characters like Nodoka, who I found annoying for a long time and then really started to hate--he managed to make her three-dimensional and interesting enough that I'm still curious to see what happens with her. I want to see them all smile without crying. Especially Maya.
  • I'm fascinated by the growth of the central character from a callous, completely detached a-hole who acts as if he's beamed into a standard fuck-em-all school harem game to a deeply flawed, wounded person who seems to be actively trying to do the right thing and has grown to care about all of these other, equally flawed people he's trapped with. The superficial nihilism--nothing matters, it's all a game, nothing is real, there's no way to take control--keeps showing cracks, with the MC actually struggling with complex moral issues. Mind, he fails almost every time. He's still an a-hole. But he's trying and that keeps me engaged.
  • The crazy-ass lore--the various gods/users/terminals/resets/timelines/whatever--makes me want to see how it all turns out (mind, sticking the landing on a story as complicated as this one is hard as hell--just look at Lost and Game of Thrones). He's managed to tie wild metaphysical ideas to metaphors that seem like maybe they actually make sense, and I want to see if he actually knows what he's doing.
I'm a sucker for a good story, and, so far, this is mostly one. Stupid reset puzzles aside.

But I can completely understand washing your hands of LiL. Make sure to use lots of soap.
 
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Chinami doesn't have long to live so she'd work you to the bone knowing she'd suffer no consequences.
 
DeanNoriko

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LoveRedHairedGirl said:
not a dice roll but...
FUCK MARRY KILL
Me, Fire Lord Zuko and DeanNoriko.
Choose wisely.
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Btw, sorry for the off-topic but:
Since I know some of you here have played several Persona games, what would you recommend in my situation?
I played Persona 4 back in the day, like at least 15 years ago and really liked it.
I know bought Persona 4 Golden and Persona 5 Royal.
Should I indulge in my nostalgia and play through Persona 4 again or go straight to Persona 5? I understand the newer iteration has mor QoL features and just plays more smoothly. But I didn't necessarily hate the grind (though the dungeon design was kinda ass ngl), since I was a "gotta catch them all" addict when it came to collecting those cards or whatever they were, I don't even remember.
Any advice or suggestions are welcome :)
 
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