Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.47.0] [Selebus]

[SnowyS]

Like you said, if it weren't for the porn, most people would have never given this a shot.

For me, it's that I'll play a game just for fun gameplay (obviously; many games don't have much of a story) or a game with good story and alright gameplay... and, honestly, a game with just alright gameplay when I'm depressed or avoiding something.

VN "gameplay" is generally not in the "fun" category for me, or in many cases even "gameplay", so all it has is story. And, I understand that's the point. And I read books, which are all story. And some VNs are as well written as good books, but they're the minority, and even then they're a completely different format that tells the story differently. And I don't enjoy that format as much; probably the same reason I don't read comic books.

Except ones with porn in
Plus, I'll be watching porn anyway. And I have never ever ever seen a porn film with anything close to even resembling a compelling story (again, it's rarely the point) so VNs are a nice fusion. Where during the porn scenes the characters also mean something to me.
It adds that extra oomph to draw me in.

I've already mentioned some of the story elements I like in this game. Mostly related to the deconstruction of the setting, but also it has actual funny humor. Like, this is one of the few VNs where I directly enjoy the story between the porn scenes, rather than as a connector between and giving context to the porn scenes.

But, I also do hope my biggest pornographic proclivity makes it into the game; the proclivity is pretty vanilla these days. And weird as it seems, for the reasons above, it actually does improve my enjoyment of the story.

But, I definitely still 100% enjoy the updates that are 5% porn and 95% story

 

[Virulenz]

Everytime i look at the banner i get worried ayane is gonna betray me.

Why? There is only one guy in the banner and thats you...or are you from the prude faction who dont let girls have fun with other girls?

Selebus
Dont waste too much time with making more h-scenes for the girls you already can have repeatable sex with, as you said, its a bonus and personally i enjoy the story and the way to their hearts/beds much more...but since there are already so many girls you can seduce, the few girls you cant feel a little stuck/incomplete. I dont know how others play the adult part, mostly because i dont care, but every time i play a horny asshole (=having multiple girls without letting them know about the others) i focus on getting/unlocking the scenes, not on repeating them (the exception: i have to wait for a specific ingame time/day/week/event, then i prefer to fill the spare time with the scenes i liked most instead of sleep/wait), in other words, i'm in for the hunt, not for the cooking and i always prefer story updates over sex updates ^^

 

[SnowyS]

Why? There is only one guy in the banner and thats you...or are you from the prude faction who dont let girls have fun with other girls?

Well, the banner is The Last Supper. I'm not super familiar with the painting, but I am guessing Ayane is sitting in Judas' spot?

 

[alex2011]

Why? There is only one guy in the banner and thats you...or are you from the prude faction who dont let girls have fun with other girls?

Selebus
Dont waste too much time with making more h-scenes for the girls you already can have repeatable sex with, as you said, its a bonus and personally i enjoy the story and the way to their hearts/beds much more...but since there are already so many girls you can seduce, the few girls you cant feel a little stuck/incomplete. I dont know how others play the adult part, mostly because i dont care, but every time i play a horny asshole (=having multiple girls without letting them know about the others) i focus on getting/unlocking the scenes, not on repeating them (the exception: i have to wait for a specific ingame time/day/week/event, then i prefer to fill the spare time with the scenes i liked most instead of sleep/wait), in other words, i'm in for the hunt, not for the cooking and i always prefer story updates over sex updates ^^

There are likely to be more for the ones with scenes already, not all of them have a penetrative scene yet. The rest will get their scenes as well when the story allows.

 

[DrFree]

I did the math and, at least from a sheer event number perspective, this game is 14% sexual content. Factoring in word count, since a lot of the story-heavy scenes greatly surpass the word count of sex scenes, I'd think I'd put it somewhere in the realm of 7%-8% sexual content when I'd want it to be closer to 5%.

The route that we're in now will stay relatively tame. This is not a fetish-based game and, being pretty vanilla myself, I don't have much interest in exploring most of the sexual options that many people have requested. There are plenty of threesomes and group activities to be had in the future (How far into the future I can't say), but don't expect anything on the extreme side for quite some time.

Some sexual content in the dark route will be significantly less tame.

I consider this game a VN/eroge first and foremost. Despite some Western influence in the gameplay structure, the actual story elements are greatly inspired by Japanese VNs with extremely long run-times and minimal sex scenes. I don't like calling it a porn game because that is not (And never will be) the focus. Sex is great bonus material and helps players connect with the characters on an awesome level, but the last thing I want is for people to only play this game looking to get off. That completely contradicts one of the most prevalent themes in the game.

I also learned in 0.13.0 Part 1 that I fucking despise writing so many sex scenes at once. Half of that update was porn and it was the least fun I have had working on the game thus far. I'm feeling a lot better with the update I'm working on now since I can focus on the characters again instead.


I'm not saying that at all. I think sex is an excellent tool for character building and can work wonders in forming more pertinent bonds between parties. And all of the VNs that inspired me to start making things of my own used their sexual elements wonderfully. Hell, my second favorite visual novel doesn't have any sexual content for at least like fifty hours.

Like you said, if it weren't for the porn, most people would have never given this a shot. But now that they have and now that the game has started to depart more and more from that, looking back on a lot of those earlier scenes makes me kick myself for incorporating them when I did, since so much of it was for the sheer purpose of audience gratification. If I were to start over, the Ami dream sequence never would have happened, Ayane would have taken much longer to bed, and Makoto's early h-scenes would have been a lot less shoehorned in.

Ami's dream aside, I think Ayane and Makoto's fit well into the story. For Ayane, in the prologue Sensei says that he is liking this World, with a cute girl throwing herself at him, while others will take some work for it. That makes the whole "this wolrd was made for you" meaningful in the long-run.
With Makoto it makes Bluejay make more sense and impactful, since Sensei's behavior with her had been consistently about wanting to get laid and being a dick.
So, don't worry too much about the brginning. It makes sense and leaves an impression in time, which is probably what most writers would aim at.

And don't worry about the ones complaining about lack of sex scenes. We will correct them as we have been through the thread.

 

[Virulenz]

SnowyS
Okay, didnt associate a game about HOPE with some random fairy tale, but i think ayane is far to obsessed to betray us...she cant rat us out without losing us, same goes if she kills someone...all she could do is kill herself, but in a resetting world it would not work well in the long run ^^

alex2011
Personally i dont need any penetration, but i know most people think otherwise. Considering the habit of the protagonist to hunt anything in sight it would still be more reasonable for him to try getting started with the girls who dont get him off yet instead of deepening the releationships with the girls that make him cum already. Its not my mindset, its the protagonists, so its his logic that matters.

 

[alex2011]

Ami's dream aside, I think Ayane and Makoto's fit well into the story. For Ayane, in the prologue Sensei says that he is liking this World, with a cute girl throwing herself at him, while others will take some work for it. That makes the whole "this wolrd was made for you" meaningful in the long-run.
With Makoto it makes Bluejay make more sense and impactful, since Sensei's behavior with her had been consistently about wanting to get laid and being a dick.
So, don't worry too much about the brginning. It makes sense and leaves an impression in time, which is probably what most writers would aim at.

And don't worry about the ones complaining about lack of sex scenes. We will correct them as we have been through the thread.

I couldn't agree more and you can definitely count on me to help out if I catch such comments.

SnowyS
Okay, didnt associate a game about HOPE with some random fairy tale, but i think ayane is far to obsessed to betray us...she cant rat us out without losing us, same goes if she kills someone...all she could do is kill herself, but in a resetting world it would not work well in the long run ^^

alex2011
Personally i dont need any penetration, but i know most people think otherwise. Considering the habit of the protagonist to hunt anything in sight it would still be more reasonable for him to try getting started with the girls who dont get him off yet instead of deepening the releationships with the girls that make him cum already. Its not my mindset, its the protagonists, so its his logic that matters.

I say that because giving it to some and not others when everyone is supposed to have sex scenes eventually doesn't make sense. It isn't needed, but it leaves an impression that something is missing if they aren't all to a similar level by the end of their sexual progression.

He does go after anything in sight, but he isn't stupid enough to rush things, which is why the girls with no scenes have no scenes. Those girls aren't ready to go that far with him. He will get started with them when he feels they are ready, he literally just started on one of them not that long ago, Miku, who let him touch her, but isn't fully comfortable with even that yet. You can tell by the way she reacts in that scene that she isn't ready for most things he would want to do with her.

 

[Virulenz]

I am one of the people who read the context, so i know and understand that he takes the time they need. But "being in the head" of a protagonist like this also leads to spending more time with the girls he cant get off with to shorten his ToDo list instead of spending more time with the girls he already is intimate with just to do even more with them ^^
Again, not my mindset, but his. Based on the thoughts and acts he already has done, he prefers quantity over quality.

 

[alex2011]

I am one of the people who read the context, so i know and understand that he takes the time they need. But "being in the head" of a protagonist like this also leads to spending more time with the girls he cant get off with to shorten his ToDo list instead of spending more time with the girls he already is intimate with just to do even more with them ^^
Again, not my mindset, but his. Based on the thoughts and acts he already has done, he prefers quantity over quality.

He'll spend more time with them, we get events of that type every update with at least one being with a girl who hasn't even started to show they are ready, but we probably won't be seeing lust events for a while with some, especially Rin and Yumi, they're likely to be the last because of circumstances that occur in game.

 

[thefetussundae]

Why? There is only one guy in the banner and thats you...or are you from the prude faction who dont let girls have fun with other girls?

Yes, the notorious orgy known as the last supper

 

[CandiedKerns]

it is commonly noted, but also buried in this thread somewhere, that Ayane and Ami should actually swap seats if we were to take the last supper roles seriously.

 

[cakeny]

Why? There is only one guy in the banner and thats you...or are you from the prude faction who dont let girls have fun with other girls?

Not wanting girls cheating on you is being a prude?

 

[SnowyS]

Yes, the notorious orgy known as the last supper

From now on I will always consider this to be the true subtext of the last supper.

 

[thefetussundae]

On this rock I build my church, on this wood I build my ass

 

[smnb]

Not wanting girls cheating on you is being a prude?

No, but the double standard is weird. When you're fucking whole school (not yet, but that seems to be the long term plan), but expect that everyone should be faithful to you... that doesn't sound entirely reasonable. I always love this with other games, MC fucking everyone is fine, but as soon as one NPC lays eyes on someone else, there are screams about the N-word.

Also in this case, I think it was more about what will Ayane do after she learns that Sensei is cheating bastard.

 

[Virulenz]

cakeny
Its the definition of cheating that i call prude.
I dont see anything wrong if girls having fun with girls. No guy could ever feel, smell, taste, ... like a girl, so its just narrow minded to stop a girl who likes both from having girls for fun. Even an insanely jealous guy should accept that forced loyality cant work for both genders...and some may even be up for some threesomes, there is more to win then to lose.
I can understand if guys dont want other guys in their girls, especially considering the simple biological risk of pregnancy, but other girls? Thats just prude or an unhealthy possessive mentality...but it would fit to the many slavery games on f95, so i dont judge...

P.S:
I'm the opposite. I am pure lesbian and have not the slightest problem if my partner and other girls have fun with other girls. But i am strictly against guys...not because of some stupid jealousy, just because it would be far too disgusting for me to ever go down on the girls again. Thats why i hunt only for lesbians, not for bi or straight girls who just want to experiment, except for virgins who want their first experiment with a girl ^^

In games i learned to handle playing male protagonists, but this whole cheating, swinging, sharing, ntr crap disqualifies every game for me, except for avoidables. The maximum amount of dicks i can handle in a game is one...thats one more than in reality ^^

 

[anoterfuckingmaster]

I did the math and, at least from a sheer event number perspective, this game is 14% sexual content. Factoring in word count, since a lot of the story-heavy scenes greatly surpass the word count of sex scenes, I'd think I'd put it somewhere in the realm of 7%-8% sexual content when I'd want it to be closer to 5%.

The route that we're in now will stay relatively tame. This is not a fetish-based game and, being pretty vanilla myself, I don't have much interest in exploring most of the sexual options that many people have requested. There are plenty of threesomes and group activities to be had in the future (How far into the future I can't say), but don't expect anything on the extreme side for quite some time.

Some sexual content in the dark route will be significantly less tame.

I consider this game a VN/eroge first and foremost. Despite some Western influence in the gameplay structure, the actual story elements are greatly inspired by Japanese VNs with extremely long run-times and minimal sex scenes. I don't like calling it a porn game because that is not (And never will be) the focus. Sex is great bonus material and helps players connect with the characters on an awesome level, but the last thing I want is for people to only play this game looking to get off. That completely contradicts one of the most prevalent themes in the game.

I also learned in 0.13.0 Part 1 that I fucking despise writing so many sex scenes at once. Half of that update was porn and it was the least fun I have had working on the game thus far. I'm feeling a lot better with the update I'm working on now since I can focus on the characters again instead.


I'm not saying that at all. I think sex is an excellent tool for character building and can work wonders in forming more pertinent bonds between parties. And all of the VNs that inspired me to start making things of my own used their sexual elements wonderfully. Hell, my second favorite visual novel doesn't have any sexual content for at least like fifty hours.

Like you said, if it weren't for the porn, most people would have never given this a shot. But now that they have and now that the game has started to depart more and more from that, looking back on a lot of those earlier scenes makes me kick myself for incorporating them when I did, since so much of it was for the sheer purpose of audience gratification. If I were to start over, the Ami dream sequence never would have happened, Ayane would have taken much longer to bed, and Makoto's early h-scenes would have been a lot less shoehorned in.

Thank you for the detailed response . Ya this definitely paced like a vn which im a fan of in generall and since you have the writing skills to keep it engaging . I can see your point about the beginning I think just putting a note explaing that this is the opening and that scenes will be less common from then on can mitigate the problem.

I personally don't care about the amount of scenes as long as there's a good build up pay off and the drama afterwards and you've nailed that so far ,The beach house is probably the first time iv been shook while playing a sex scene and the whole Blue Jay event was just *chef kiss* .

While the overarching mystery definitely has me interested. It's the characters and the anticipation of seeing the fallout of senesi choices is what got me hooked.

Anyways you've got me sold on this and I can't wait to see what's next .

 

[Dgunslinger]

Not sure if its just me, but the mega download or Mac didnt work

 

[Budoop]

So the TLR for sexual content is: Selebus lured us in with debauchery and now we must bare witness to the lack of god.

 

[JMccovery]

Also in this case, I think it was more about what will Ayane do after she learns that Sensei is cheating bastard.

TBH, I wouldn't be worried about what Ayane would do, I'd be worried about what Ami would do, especially if she finds out about deflowering Makoto. Ami's seriously unhinged.