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Headpat warning: I admittedly suck at coding so the Patreon version of the game (Still not hosted here) has a problem with the way the headpat system is structured and I'm working on fixing it.

The tldr version is that excessive headpatting can cause your game to lag right now. Each time you pat a head, it's like another card being added to a deck. The bigger the deck gets, the slower your game goes. Not everyone is experiencing this issue but myself and several others are. I'm working on a fix now but apparently there's no easy way to just clear the call stack in RenPy.
Well, I guess it's a good thing that I didn't try for 500 headpats on each available girl.
 

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Headpat update: I've found a solution that will solve the issue and I'm working on testing it to make sure it's stable. I can't guarantee right now that it will clear up any lag for players who have already headpatted everyone, so I'll also be implementing a new cheat code in 13p2 called "lagfix" that you can enter into the computer to clear the stack and get rid of any lag you may have accumulated from me not fully understanding how the call function works.
 

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Headpat warning: I admittedly suck at coding so the Patreon version of the game (Still not hosted here) has a problem with the way the headpat system is structured and I'm working on fixing it.

The tldr version is that excessive headpatting can cause your game to lag right now. Each time you pat a head, it's like another card being added to a deck. The bigger the deck gets, the slower your game goes. Not everyone is experiencing this issue but myself and several others are. I'm working on a fix now but apparently there's no easy way to just clear the call stack in RenPy.
This is a problem? I thought it was a game feature?
I saw this trend in the game
as you proceed and become more and more of a degenerate
the more and more the world/game breaks
so the more you pat the head
the more it breaks
 
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Probably because that's not the point of this game.
I personally think it has too much sexual content and I regret how early and frequently I incorporated it.
personally i think the amount of lewd content is fine , I think some people are confused when they pick a fav and then they realize don't have anything lewd yet . Im glad that your not rushing it personally I think erotic games are at there best when they portray realistic relationships .


im curious tho how much sex is supposed to be a part of this we did start out a as a guy who wants to bang pretty much every female he comes across and constantly talks about sex, like do you plan to go for more kinky stuff and orgys or are you trying to keep it more tame and intimate .

like would you consider this an erotic game or a vn with some sex in it. you dont have to tell me your plans im just curious on whats your vison for the game.

anyways keep up the good work.
 
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Probably because that's not the point of this game.
I personally think it has too much sexual content and I regret how early and frequently I incorporated it.
Hey hey HEY. Humor isn't the point of the game either, do you regret putting all the great witty dialogue in there? Someone jerking to the sexy parts is no worse than someone laughing at the funny parts or being frightened by the scary parts.

It doesn't hurt the game if some people just play it for one aspect. Maybe that individual is missing out, but it's no worse (and arguably better) than them not playing it at all. It also doesn't hurt for you to have a large, financially healthy Patreon.

Don't fall for that "it can't be serious if it has sex in it" mentality. Rise above the notion that people thinking of the game as porn somehow diminishes it, sir. Having additional aspects does not reduce the others and it increases the value of the gestalt.

Besides, it's good marketing. The hentai aspects helped establish the game and get it on the map. I certainly wouldn't have ever bothered to look at it if it wasn't fappable.
 
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personally i think the amount of lewd content is fine , I think some people are confused when they pick a fav and then they realize don't have anything lewd yet . Im glad that your not rushing it personally I think erotic games are at there best when they portray realistic relationships .


im curious tho how much sex is supposed to be a part of this we did start out a as a guy who wants to bang pretty much every female he comes across and constantly talks about sex, like do you plan to go for more kinky stuff and orgys or are you trying to keep it more tame and intimate .

like would you consider this an erotic game or a vn with some sex in it. you dont have to tell me your plans im just curious on whats your vison for the game.

anyways keep up the good work.
I did the math and, at least from a sheer event number perspective, this game is 14% sexual content. Factoring in word count, since a lot of the story-heavy scenes greatly surpass the word count of sex scenes, I'd think I'd put it somewhere in the realm of 7%-8% sexual content when I'd want it to be closer to 5%.

The route that we're in now will stay relatively tame. This is not a fetish-based game and, being pretty vanilla myself, I don't have much interest in exploring most of the sexual options that many people have requested. There are plenty of threesomes and group activities to be had in the future (How far into the future I can't say), but don't expect anything on the extreme side for quite some time.

Some sexual content in the dark route will be significantly less tame.

I consider this game a VN/eroge first and foremost. Despite some Western influence in the gameplay structure, the actual story elements are greatly inspired by Japanese VNs with extremely long run-times and minimal sex scenes. I don't like calling it a porn game because that is not (And never will be) the focus. Sex is great bonus material and helps players connect with the characters on an awesome level, but the last thing I want is for people to only play this game looking to get off. That completely contradicts one of the most prevalent themes in the game.

I also learned in 0.13.0 Part 1 that I fucking despise writing so many sex scenes at once. Half of that update was porn and it was the least fun I have had working on the game thus far. I'm feeling a lot better with the update I'm working on now since I can focus on the characters again instead.

Don't fall for that "it can't be serious if it has sex in it" mentality. Rise above the notion that people thinking of the game as porn somehow diminishes it, sir. Having additional aspects does not reduce the others and it increases the value of the gestalt.

Besides, it's good marketing. The hentai aspects helped establish the game and get it on the map. I certainly wouldn't have ever bothered to look at it if it wasn't fappable.
I'm not saying that at all. I think sex is an excellent tool for character building and can work wonders in forming more pertinent bonds between parties. And all of the VNs that inspired me to start making things of my own used their sexual elements wonderfully. Hell, my second favorite visual novel doesn't have any sexual content for at least like fifty hours.

Like you said, if it weren't for the porn, most people would have never given this a shot. But now that they have and now that the game has started to depart more and more from that, looking back on a lot of those earlier scenes makes me kick myself for incorporating them when I did, since so much of it was for the sheer purpose of audience gratification. If I were to start over, the Ami dream sequence never would have happened, Ayane would have taken much longer to bed, and Makoto's early h-scenes would have been a lot less shoehorned in.
 

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Headpat update: I've found a solution that will solve the issue and I'm working on testing it to make sure it's stable. I can't guarantee right now that it will clear up any lag for players who have already headpatted everyone, so I'll also be implementing a new cheat code in 13p2 called "lagfix" that you can enter into the computer to clear the stack and get rid of any lag you may have accumulated from me not fully understanding how the call function works.
Great news

personally i think the amount of lewd content is fine , I think some people are confused when they pick a fav and then they realize don't have anything lewd yet . Im glad that your not rushing it personally I think erotic games are at there best when they portray realistic relationships .


im curious tho how much sex is supposed to be a part of this we did start out a as a guy who wants to bang pretty much every female he comes across and constantly talks about sex, like do you plan to go for more kinky stuff and orgys or are you trying to keep it more tame and intimate .

like would you consider this an erotic game or a vn with some sex in it. you dont have to tell me your plans im just curious on whats your vison for the game.

anyways keep up the good work.
The second, a VN with sex in it.

I know you weren't here during one of the many times it has been stated by players and even Selebus, I would recognize your name otherwise even if I don't connect the dots between your name and the first comment I witness from you, but it has been stated on this thread multiple times before that this is a game with H, not an H game, the difference being the focus in an H game is on the sex while the focus on games with H is the story or other nonsexual elements, the story in this case.

Each character will get something except for one of the side characters officially, who is obvious, but they will each take their own length of time to be ready, just like real people. Everyone but that obvious side character will get there once their story allows them to be prepared to give themselves to player Sensei willingly.

Hey hey HEY. Humor isn't the point of the game either, do you regret putting all the great witty dialogue in there? Someone jerking to the sexy parts is no worse than someone laughing at the funny parts or being frightened by the scary parts.

It doesn't hurt the game if some people just play it for one aspect. Maybe that individual is missing out, but it's no worse (and arguably better) than them not playing it at all. It also doesn't hurt for you to have a large, financially healthy Patreon.

Don't fall for that "it can't be serious if it has sex in it" mentality. Rise above the notion that people thinking of the game as porn somehow diminishes it, sir. Having additional aspects does not reduce the others and it increases the value of the gestalt.

Besides, it's good marketing. The hentai aspects helped establish the game and get it on the map. I certainly wouldn't have ever bothered to look at it if it wasn't fappable.
The problem with attracting that crowd is they often aren't satisfied with a game taking a story first approach like this because it takes too long to them, I've seen it first hand with reactions to the 'no sexual content' tag bearing the misconception about this site being specifically for porn games when those are just easier to pirate. Some of that crowd would rather be banging every girl right now even if sacrificing the story is the only way, but the majority of girls would be unwilling at this stage in their relationship with player Sensei, turning it into rape.

That then turns away a good chunk of that crowd because they don't like forcing the girl into anything in any way.

Selebus already has a stable Patreon and SubscribeStar that has reached multiple stretch goals in a surprisingly short amount of time, no offense to Selebus of course, I knew he was capable from the moment I got hooked. The above situation would also threaten the Patreon because forced sex of any kind is not allowed there.

I did the math and, at least from a sheer event number perspective, this game is 14% sexual content. Factoring in word count, since a lot of the story-heavy scenes greatly surpass the word count of sex scenes, I'd think I'd put it somewhere in the realm of 7%-8% sexual content when I'd want it to be closer to 5%.

The route that we're in now will stay relatively tame. This is not a fetish-based game and, being pretty vanilla myself, I don't have much interest in exploring most of the sexual options that many people have requested. There are plenty of threesomes and group activities to be had in the future (How far into the future I can't say), but don't expect anything on the extreme side for quite some time.

Some sexual content in the dark route will be significantly less tame.

I consider this game a VN/eroge first and foremost. Despite some Western influence in the gameplay structure, the actual story elements are greatly inspired by Japanese VNs with extremely long run-times and minimal sex scenes. I don't like calling it a porn game because that is not (And never will be) the focus. Sex is great bonus material and helps players connect with the characters on an awesome level, but the last thing I want is for people to only play this game looking to get off. That completely contradicts one of the most prevalent themes in the game.

I also learned in 0.13.0 Part 1 that I fucking despise writing so many sex scenes at once. Half of that update was porn and it was the least fun I have had working on the game thus far. I'm feeling a lot better with the update I'm working on now since I can focus on the characters again instead.


I'm not saying that at all. I think sex is an excellent tool for character building and can work wonders in forming more pertinent bonds between parties. And all of the VNs that inspired me to start making things of my own used their sexual elements wonderfully. Hell, my second favorite visual novel doesn't have any sexual content for at least like fifty hours.

Like you said, if it weren't for the porn, most people would have never given this a shot. But now that they have and now that the game has started to depart more and more from that, looking back on a lot of those earlier scenes makes me kick myself for incorporating them when I did, since so much of it was for the sheer purpose of audience gratification. If I were to start over, the Ami dream sequence never would have happened, Ayane would have taken much longer to bed, and Makoto's early h-scenes would have been a lot less shoehorned in.
In other words, you're already over the balance you want the game to be at for a sex events to non sex events ratio. I hope that doesn't cause too much trouble in the future if any at all.

Hey, if you need to hold back on the sex scenes, go ahead, you've already got our attention and you're not going to lose it if you go easy on one minor element for a bit.

I'm sorry to hear 0.13.0 part 1 wasn't as fun as past or future updates, but I'm sure you'll feel better about the next one, especially since you already do so far according to your own words. Just don't pull what Innoxia of Lilith's Throne is development wise, lying to our faces, and we'll have your back no matter what. Not that you would, I have total faith you would not, faith you have earned through your existing hard work and keeping up with your schedule amazingly well.

Indeed, sex is a great character builder as it can reveal things that simple intimacy may not about a character, at least as long as the focus is on the development of the character and not just sex for the sake of sex. So many games that do the latter have so much potential they waste by doing it that way.

I wouldn't fault you for the inclusion of the scenes that are already there, in fact, I could still see quite a bit more development in those than I do in ANY sex scene with the express purpose of showing sex. Yes, it was less than normal, but it was still there. I felt the love and/or pain of the girl, their feelings toward player Sensei and even their issues shine in those moments even with...no, BECAUSE of the sex and how it was implemented.

You did a wonderful job in every second of this game and I am not exaggerating, literally every second playing this game is some of the most fun I've ever had and that's with the way it is right now, not with this 'if I redid it' version you mentioned.
 

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Hey so how much time do y'all think it would take me to be up to date with this game? I tried to get into it a couple of days ago but I was overwhelmed with the amount of quests it has lol
 
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Hey so how much time do y'all think it would take me to be up to date with this game? I tried to get into it a couple of days ago but I was overwhelmed with the amount of quests it has lol
A number of hours, I was up to about two or three when I had a memory error that specifically mentioned the game and that was only up to around day four or five including reading every single word at my own pace.
 

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Hey so how much time do y'all think it would take me to be up to date with this game? I tried to get into it a couple of days ago but I was overwhelmed with the amount of quests it has lol
Depends on your reading speed. Most recent number I heard to complete all available content was 30 hours from some guy who just replayed it.

Just think of it like reading the entire Lord of the Rings series. LiL is around 5k words longer than LotR right now as of 12p2.
 
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Sorry if this has been answered, but is there a way to skip repeated text boxes? You know, the ones that pop up every day? I tried all the skip options in the settings, but none of them seem to do anything. Using the general skip button will skip past things I haven't seen yet, so it's no good either
 

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Sorry if this has been answered, but is there a way to skip repeated text boxes? You know, the ones that pop up every day? I tried all the skip options in the settings, but none of them seem to do anything. Using the general skip button will skip past things I haven't seen yet, so it's no good either
You should be able to go into settings and uncheck the "Skip unread text" button so that it only skips text you have read before.
 

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Everytime i look at the banner i get worried ayane is gonna betray me.
It is entirely possible, she has shown potential as a yandere, which do betray their love interests if their love interest is caught involved with someone else.
 

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You ARE the protagonist. The player and player Sensei are one and the same. There actually IS a way out of that situation, just follow the promise. It's been a while, but by your mention of a promise tells me this is still in reference to the Chika/Rin lockout. In that case, yes, there is indeed a way to follow the promise, a way which has been the most posted statement in this game thread, don't do the trigger event, which, yes, can be avoided until it is safe to do said event.

The event does not trigger without going to the event's location, which simply means showing some restraint with the character the event is linked to.

I do believe that thing about the notifications is related to watching the thread through the watch function. I haven't used it and instead prefer to just keep the thread open at all times and manually checked daily for that reason, so I don't know for sure. All I know is I only get notifications if something was directed at me specifically.


Keep bringing their affection up in any way you can, the dorms unlock at a pretty low amount, which means a new source of affection levels. Affection is the only stat needed for non lust events, so the non lust events will trigger in time.

Remember that all events are at increments of 5 of the needed stat. Also remember that some character's events are prerequisites for other character's events. Even if you are not playing for some characters, you should be grinding them all as equally as possible so you don't put yourself in a situation where you're stuck or locked out of one of the characters you want because an event for that character is locked out or an event for another character that is needed for an event for one of your characters is locked.

Also remember that an event is not locked if it is not red, but some might still be too late if it needs a stat at a certain level on a certain day.
At the time of my original comment there was no way to follow the promise which was my original problem. Me and sensei are not one and the same. He makes promises I wouldn't make and does things I wouldn't do. Sure I have some sort of vague control of where he goes and who he visits but other than that things that he does and says doesn't always reflect what I would do and what I believe. Forcing the player to make a promise instead of just saying no, or at the very least not having an option to say "Ay yo I been waiting for several in game months and you ain't made your move. If you don't do it someone else will."
 
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At the time of my original comment there was no way to follow the promise which was my original problem. Me and sensei are not one and the same. He makes promises I wouldn't make and does things I wouldn't do. Sure I have some sort of vague control of where he goes and who he visits but other than that things that he does and says doesn't always reflect what I would do and what I believe. Forcing the player to make a promise instead of just saying no, or at the very least not having an option to say "Ay yo I been waiting for several in game months and you ain't made your move. If you don't do it someone else will."
There is a way around the lockout now and there has been for a while now.

Yes, the player plays as player Sensei, not in third person perspective as some outside being or narrator, so the player is in fact player Sensei. Just because you as a real person would not do what he would does not mean you as the player don't play as him, it is not you as the player who is the main character, it is him, but you still play as that character.

As for forcing the promise, it's either that or you automatically get locked out of Rin because hurting her emotionally is the catalyst for the lockout. Breaking the promise and refusing the promise have exactly the same outcome, the only difference is how she got there and when.

It's basically a choice of lockout now when she asks you not to or lockout later when she finds out you did it anyway. Also, a choice there would be useless because you as the player could already choose not to go to the trigger location of the locking event before the event that seals your fate with regard to Rin.

The only remaining option is to follow the promise and avoid the lockout.
 
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