Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.48.0] [Selebus]

[Psygore]

Thank you for this analysis, I thoroughly enjoyed it and it made a lot of sense to me, it eloquently gave shape to some doubts an theories I had. Love your work.

I planned to take a quick look at an alternate explanation for Ami's assault of Maya in "Right as Rain", but I ended up finding so much stuff to talk about that I've written another very long post. Here's what I think can be concluded directly from the evidence:

• The scene does not take place in the main timeline.
• The way Ami acts in the event is basically a carbon copy of Sekai, and Sel intends for the reader to make this connection.
• Based on the narration, the entity responsible for Maya's time-hopping visions is probably Pareidolia and/or Sekai.
• In "The Scary Room" Maya is probably shown pictures of being raped, but these pictures include a woman/girl who Maya doesn't instantly recognize (i.e. not Ami). It's also likely that the pictures show a younger Maya.

Individually, none of these points make it impossible that "Right as Rain" shows a real event where Maya was raped by Ami, but each one makes it less and less likely. Instead, I'll tentatively propose a theory that could tie these ideas together:

During the reset Pareidolia and/or Sekai force New Maya to experience nightmares based off of corrupted memories. In the real memory that "Right as Rain" is based on, Maya was still a wizard and was assaulted by Sekai rather than Ami. In "The Scary Room" Pareidolia showed Maya Prime pictures of that real rape by Sekai.

Spoiler: General thoughts

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Spoiler: Fake timeline

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Spoiler: Ami and Sekai

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Spoiler: The narrator and the nightmares

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Spoiler: The scary room pictures

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Spoiler: Conclusion

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[KiIdar]

No, this game is alive and well. The problem is that you have to check for updates by yourself by coming to this thread every 1st day of the month, most of the time. The game updates 10 times a year with 2 months of rest for Sel. The next update will be on 01.01.2025 (this december is a rest month). Here the 2025 schedule:

The the main page there is a serious lag on the version you mentioned. Anyway I can download the full game in one go? Or am I stuck downloading update after update?

Also, ty for your and everyone else's reply letting me know what is up

 

[fasoaga]

The the main page there is a serious lag on the version you mentioned. Anyway I can download the full game in one go? Or am I stuck downloading update after update?

Also, ty for your and everyone else's reply letting me know what is up

You can download the whole game no need to update.

 

[KiIdar]

You can download the whole game no need to update.

You guys are legends. Ty very much!

 

[fasoaga]

You guys are legends. Ty very much!

I recommend AutoVnmod too, if you want only the story and not interested in the sandbox gameplay. (I think there is nothing interesting in the sandbox gameplay.)

 

[KiIdar]

I recommend AutoVnmod too, if you want only the story and not interested in the sandbox gameplay. (I think there is nothing interesting in the sandbox gameplay.)

Actually downloaded it before your comment xD That one and the guide mod. I agree with ur statement of it being a bit boring, though my biggest pet peeve was missing events and having no way to go back (if I didn't do a proper save) to get them done

 

[EggFaucet]

anyone got a non-selebus-patrolled lil discord?

 

[BlackDays]

So, i've been brooding over commenting on the latest update. And i finished this one rather quick, on nov 2nd.
First, because i think it's a mess.
Then Moonflare, DeanNoriko and Apollo somenumbers, pretty much came up with about 50% of what i would have had to say already.
Now Aramaug kind of added another 40ish%.

I think the update is a mess because, like Apollo said something like "Timetravel in stories is bad" <- Signed.
It adds a whole new big can of worms, if the car crash is part of the cycles. Unless it's countered by a possibility of Ami being capable to create her own Sekai.

I guess i could go a bit deeper here, like how i see things more as seperate realities with their own respective timelines with a probably shared point of origin. But no.
There would be one funny point though, from a discussion we had here in the thread.
If Maya and Akira met before or after the car crash. Maybe now both is true.

Anyway.

Some thoughts i want to add.

Spoiler: Maya

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Spoiler: Three times

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Spoiler: Ayane

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I pretty much forgot a couple of nice things, but that just happens. Might come up with'em later.

 

[barglenarglezous]

I guess that would depend on what type of grooming she was doing. How many entendre would that be in this context?

Sextuple entendre -- so much entendre they put it in the name.

 

[barglenarglezous]

It adds a hole new big can of worms, if the car crash is part of the cycles. Unless it's countered by a possibility of Ami being capable to create her own Sekai.

We were just told how gods are created -- by people needing/believing in them.

The ghost Sekai in the prime timeline began to emerge around the time Wakana started researching the Girl Who Couldn't Breathe and discussing it with Akira. If more people were doing the same, what is currently an intangible ghost would likely be given form. Sure, they SAY that Sekai never died in this timeline, but that is probably not true. She died, and Ami (and possibly that timeline's Sensei) brought her back as a God.

 

[BlackDays]

We were just told how gods are created -- by people needing/believing in them.

The ghost Sekai in the prime timeline began to emerge around the time Wakana started researching the Girl Who Couldn't Breathe and discussing it with Akira. If more people were doing the same, what is currently an intangible ghost would likely be given form. Sure, they SAY that Sekai never died in this timeline, but that is probably not true. She died, and Ami (and possibly that timeline's Sensei) brought her back as a God.

I think there's a shitton to say about the whole Sekai debacle. And i just refuse to get into the whole time travel desaster.
But for once, and i'm not the meme guy...
But the first thing that came up after reading your post was

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Sorry, couldn't help it.

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

I think there's a shitton to say about the whole Sekai debacle. And i just refuse to get into the whole time travel desaster.
But for once, and i'm not the meme guy...
But the first thing that came up after reading your post was

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Sorry, couldn't help it.

This is current Akira whenever another "god" tries to talk with him.

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

Maya has tears in her eyes and I could be wrong, but she seems to be naked too....... Depending on the context I might go back to hating Ami and remove them from my signature ;-;

So... Are you going to?

 

[Detective Dc345]

anyone got a non-selebus-patrolled lil discord?

*Spy for Sel spotted*

 

[Moonflare]

I planned to take a quick look at an alternate explanation for Ami's assault of Maya in "Right as Rain", but I ended up finding so much stuff to talk about that I've written another very long post. Here's what I think can be concluded directly from the evidence:

• The scene does not take place in the main timeline.
• The way Ami acts in the event is basically a carbon copy of Sekai, and Sel intends for the reader to make this connection.
• Based on the narration, the entity responsible for Maya's time-hopping visions is probably Pareidolia and/or Sekai.
• In "The Scary Room" Maya is probably shown pictures of being raped, but these pictures include a woman/girl who Maya doesn't instantly recognize (i.e. not Ami). It's also likely that the pictures show a younger Maya.

Individually, none of these points make it impossible that "Right as Rain" shows a real event where Maya was raped by Ami, but each one makes it less and less likely. Instead, I'll tentatively propose a theory that could tie these ideas together:

During the reset Pareidolia and/or Sekai force New Maya to experience nightmares based off of corrupted memories. In the real memory that "Right as Rain" is based on, Maya was still a wizard and was assaulted by Sekai rather than Ami. In "The Scary Room" Pareidolia showed Maya Prime pictures of that real rape by Sekai.

Spoiler: General thoughts

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Spoiler: Fake timeline

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Spoiler: Ami and Sekai

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Spoiler: The narrator and the nightmares

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Spoiler: The scary room pictures

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Spoiler: Conclusion

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While this was very interesting, as always, I feel like some of what's been theorized could mainly be explained by the difference in interpretation as to the events presented in 0.45 being real or not. I take them as mostly, if not all, real. So this post will attempt to take that approach to some of the "problems" aramaug has pointed out. For the minor stuff, it could simply be extrapolated from what I'll present.

Spoiler: Pictures and Diaries

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Spoiler: Nodoka's sacrifice and Ami's backstory

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Spoiler: Maya didn't exist

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At the moment it's simply impossible to say whether this interpretation or aramaug's is the correct one. I thought however that it was important to point out that a lot of the issues raised by his interpretation depend on not taking these into account. Especially the notion that these are corrupted memories, instead of actual moments from other timelines. I favor the second interpretation.

To me, the fact that our Nodoka is there, that what we are presented explains so much of our Ami behavior throughout the whole game, that Selebus has rarely presented lore that was untrue (Kyoto might have been the first, if it even is at that), and the sheer amount of time we spent on these revelations to just be misdirection are enough for me to assume these are at most true.

Edit: on a minor note, I also thought that when HOPE (with the number three on his body) says "guess who's back" it was Pareidolia. Also, the fact that he shows up as "HOPE the peerless god of light" aka has a namechange is not lost on me. The one thing against them being a trinity is that Wires is attacked by the corruption after HOPE appears. So at that point they're likely not the same entity.

 

[ganesha2407]

How to trigger happy events in 0.45?

 

[Moonflare]

How to trigger happy events in 0.45?

either replay the event "Amy" by triggering it again through a save (replay doesn't count), or do it through a manual trigger (which is the same thing as the game understands it) through URM. After triggering it once, it will be green in past, current and future saves.

*Spy for Sel spotted*

I wonder what Selebus is going to be doing in these two months. Or rather one, I guess, since he still has to spend december preparing january's update. Because iirc he should be close to finishing the other mystery game?

 

[Detective Dc345]

I wonder what Selebus is going to be doing in these two months. Or rather one, I guess, since he still has to spend december preparing january's update. Because iirc he should be close to finishing the other mystery game?

Right now Sel is in Japan for the month looking for cat girls or whatever he's doing over there.

 

[Riolol]

Right now Sel is in Japan for the month looking for cat girls or whatever he's doing over there.

The next update is gonna have so many weebnotes

 

[Pkswilly]

Ok i added the new reset answers to this:
Thank you Wardtnaci for the formating, and butterfly boy for the 6th reset answers

Not sure the answers for Sensei Quest 4b and 4c are correct. Has anyone verified? 4b is good on the first two steps but the last on is not working. on 4v the second step is not working. That is why I came on here to ask.