Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.48.0] [Selebus]

[LessonsInDissonance]

Now that i thought about it a bit more.
This is even nothing new.
There are a couple of stories out there where gods come to be, or gain their power, from people believing in them.
And the most recent story that came to mind, and i had that thought already but forgot, is the series "American Gods".
There are some parallels with LiL and i wonder if Sel took some inspiration there.
They even also have their own "Techno Gods" in American Gods, like i think it was the "Information Age God" and the "Internet God" and whatnot.

It's like how we have the "Wire God".
And maybe the wire god came to be through Maya, or by Akira how he'd imagine a god that would be associated with Maya's IT comparisons.

bro I just like spaghetti

 

[barglenarglezous]

Now that i thought about it a bit more.
This is even nothing new.
There are a couple of stories out there where gods come to be, or gain their power, from people believing in them.
And the most recent story that came to mind, and i had that thought already but forgot, is the series "American Gods".
There are some parallels with LiL and i wonder if Sel took some inspiration there.
They even also have their own "Techno Gods" in American Gods, like i think it was the "Information Age God" and the "Internet God" and whatnot.

It's like how we have the "Wire God".
And maybe the wire god came to be through Maya, or by Akira how he'd imagine a god that would be associated with Maya's IT comparisons.

Yup. I haven't seen the series, but in Neil Gaiman's novel "American Gods," multiple versions of a god can manifest based on regional changes in how a god is perceived. The Loki that exists in and walks around North America is so different from the Loki that exists in and walks around Scandinavia that they actively hate each other, and every culture that comes to the US brings a unique version of the gods with them.

Tabletop RPG Werewolf the Apocalypse has something similar with Umbral Spirits. Spirits emerge for nearly every concept, and those that are accepted by most of the people in an area become powerful enough to grant supernatural powers to people, with some notable examples being "The American Dream" and "The Allmighty Dollar"

I've mentioned previously that a lot of what Sel references about perception informing reality lines up with how the Hindu concept of the Maya (illusion) as written in Ravnos-related works in the tabletop RPG Vampire the Masquerade, which is by the same company that makes Werewolf The Apocalypse.

And Sel strikes me as exactly the kind of goth boi to have played a lot of White Wolf RPGs and read Neil Gaiman's novels in the past.

 

[Antosha]

Just played the Alexis Happy event (used URM to jump to the alexisevent label, because I had spent too long searching through old saves for the Amy event one ), and noticed this, which I think might pertain to the missing "new friends" that Selebus teased:

Spoiler: "New" friends?

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[DeanNoriko]

I finally got around doing my green route replay run and while I'm only an hour or two in, I'm excited to look at everything from the start with (mostly) full context and hindsight. Even though it's surprisingly tame so far, but I haven't even gotten to a happy scene yet.

The highlight so far was definitely seeing Maya lecture the newly reset Akira about the rules of this world and being brazenly open about everything.

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It was just so heart-warming to see Prima Maya back. And it's such a funny contrast too. I remember my first time playing LiL and thinking that she is an arrogant and stuck-up bitch who is just being purposefully vague and mysterious.
And now I am looking at her with teary eyes and thinking how much I miss this Maya.

Also there's not-horny Sana. What a distant past indeed.

Another funny thing is witnessing Sel thinking he will implement different clothing for Akira, when the most he ever did for his character model to this day is to change the color of the shirt.

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Another Edit:

Spoiler: Some beautiful foreshadowing by our favorite grumpy queen

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[barglenarglezous]

Just played the Alexis Happy event (used URM to jump to the alexisevent label, because I had spent too long searching through old saves for the Amy event one ), and noticed this, which I think might pertain to the missing "new friends" that Selebus teased:

Spoiler: "New" friends?

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The clown god also addresses Makoto as "new friend," I believe (or was it Ayane, my memory is shit)

 

[crustlord12]

With all this time in between updates should we do a thread replay and try to hit certain events by certain dates? Use the linear mod in the main post?

 

[joryuken]

Obligatory fuck Otoha comment.
This one is really starting to get me heated, I hope Chika beats her ass soon.

If there is a way to just cut her head and just shoot her then I think we should be good, am a rin fan ok?

 

[Apollo259]

Another funny thing is witnessing Sel thinking he will implement different clothing for Akira, when the most he ever did for his character model to this day is to change the color of the shirt.

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[Detective Dc345]

Welp since Sel's most recent cash grab is dead in the water I have used my pervert brain to conjure up a hypothetical new cash grab (that Sel may never see). I think Sel should try what-if h-scenes for previous existing situations next. Since we had to go back to a previous save to get the Alexis event I see no problem go back to for something more fulfilling. Like for instance what if Sel went in and did Wakana joining Niki and Sensei during 0.33 or Haruka actually seducing Molly in 0.40. If the stretch goal is reached he could go in and add those scenes. And he could obviously milk the more desired what if's for more money.

 

[Bingoogus]

Welp since Sel's most recent cash grab is dead in the water I have used my pervert brain to conjure up a hypothetical new cash grab (that Sel may never see). I think Sel should try what-if h-scenes for previous existing situations next. Since we had to go back to a previous save to get the Alexis event I see no problem go back to for something more fulfilling. Like for instance what if Sel went in and did Wakana joining Niki and Sensei during 0.33 or Haruka actually seducing Molly in 0.40. If the stretch goal is reached he could go in and add those scenes. And he could obviously milk the more desired what if's for more money.

It's ultimately pointless to offer stretch goals, Selly's problem isn't what he can offer, it's accessing new potential players, he's only getting a small trickle of new eyes on his game since this thread got quarantined. His last effort to get more money was pretty much limited to his current patrons, and he can only squeeze so much out of them, the fact it was only temporary pretty much confirms this, once those who gave more saw the number wasn't increasing any further, why keep their increased pledge for no reward?

Selly pretty much fucked himself over, the game is still getting pirated as it was before his care package hissy fit and DRM revenge plot but now he doesn't even gain the benefit of advertisement from this site, not really, not by much, the occasional new subscriber willing to support the dev is counterbalanced by the slow loss in subscribers every dev suffers over time, people move on, pledge to new projects or their situation changes and cannot keep their pledges. His income has completely stagnated since the thread was quarantined and that isn't going to change unless some new website comes along that he can advertise through as he once did here, but why would that happen? For legit purpose there's steam (not an option) and to a far lesser extent, itchio, and for grey purposes there's F95 and a handful of other much smaller AVN sharing websites, the only prominent ones also having piracy.

The fact he tried to squeeze more out of his current patrons shows he has no other options and no ideas and whatever he has tried hasn't worked. Around 10k is what he's got unless something significant happens, speculating on what is pointless as any idea anyone can come up with is either a dead end or predicated on variables not present at the current time.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Welp since Sel's most recent cash grab is dead in the water I have used my pervert brain to conjure up a hypothetical new cash grab (that Sel may never see). I think Sel should try what-if h-scenes for previous existing situations next. Since we had to go back to a previous save to get the Alexis event I see no problem go back to for something more fulfilling. Like for instance what if Sel went in and did Wakana joining Niki and Sensei during 0.33 or Haruka actually seducing Molly in 0.40. If the stretch goal is reached he could go in and add those scenes. And he could obviously milk the more desired what if's for more money.

This is a good idea but it doesn't come with mixed feelings.

First of all, you can't do stuff like Molly being seduced by Haruka because you are closing a hipothetical writing point that was left on a cliffhanger, you can only do what-if scenarios on plot-lines which are already "closed" or "finished"

The first plausible what-if that comes to my mind is that one part where Sensei forced himself on Yumi and kissed her, this was way at the beginning of the game. The "could've been" situation here is What if Akira kept going and straight up raped her.

To make things easier to mentally materialize, imagine if Stomachache wasn't a choice event and the cannonical progression was Akira rejecting Io's offer; your what-if bonus content here would've been our boy Akira destroying her penis-flytrap.

Is this content you would want to see? Because most of those moments are in places where Akira has to control himself (Don't forget about the Wizards bro. Not like they can avoid Akira's hyper weapon for long)

 

[FireCazador]

Welp since Sel's most recent cash grab is dead in the water I have used my pervert brain to conjure up a hypothetical new cash grab (that Sel may never see). I think Sel should try what-if h-scenes for previous existing situations next. Since we had to go back to a previous save to get the Alexis event I see no problem go back to for something more fulfilling. Like for instance what if Sel went in and did Wakana joining Niki and Sensei during 0.33 or Haruka actually seducing Molly in 0.40. If the stretch goal is reached he could go in and add those scenes. And he could obviously milk the more desired what if's for more money.

I may be wrong but care packages arent something like this? It would end the same way.

He does them, we got them free, he angry, he send the "what-if" to hell cause we make him "lose" money, proceed to do a 300k word event about how piracy is bad and that can make people (him) to lose money and cant be able to pay rent (even making more than enough for months).

 

[SlidingSubject]

care packages arent something like this?

Yup. Stuff always gets pirated, the only thing you can control as an author is the availability levels of said piracy. And that mostly implies the devs working with the admins and mods of the pirate sites themselves, since I've seen some games where the first page links have some disclaimer of following the public release schedule of the dev, and to not leak before that time, and most users do tend to follow it. No idea how that ended up coming to be, but I assume it's something like that.

 

[Moonflare]

Welp since Sel's most recent cash grab is dead in the water I have used my pervert brain to conjure up a hypothetical new cash grab (that Sel may never see). I think Sel should try what-if h-scenes for previous existing situations next. Since we had to go back to a previous save to get the Alexis event I see no problem go back to for something more fulfilling. Like for instance what if Sel went in and did Wakana joining Niki and Sensei during 0.33 or Haruka actually seducing Molly in 0.40. If the stretch goal is reached he could go in and add those scenes. And he could obviously milk the more desired what if's for more money.

That's all probably gonna be canon during the purity routes to some extent. Not exactly what you mention, but the overall idea of what ifs in a larger sense, similar to what others have suggested based on this idea.

Spoiler: selebus is his own enemy

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[FireCazador]

I have finally got to it and man, i remember when i saw this the first time, i had to quit playing that night. I felt so bad of Makoto and it really impacted me

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

I have finally got to it and man, i remember when i saw this the first time, i had to quit playing that night. I felt so bad of Makoto and it really impacted me

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Well, yeah, Makoto is not a man.

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[LessonsInDissonance]

That's all probably gonna be canon during the purity routes to some extent. Not exactly what you mention, but the overall idea of what ifs in a larger sense, similar to what others have suggested based on this idea.

Spoiler: selebus is his own enemy

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I wish I could tell him without being called an idiot

 

[shmurfer]

Selly pretty much fucked himself over, the game is still getting pirated as it was before his care package hissy fit and DRM revenge plot but now he doesn't even gain the benefit of advertisement from this site, not really, not by much, the occasional new subscriber willing to support the dev is counterbalanced by the slow loss in subscribers every dev suffers over time, people move on, pledge to new projects or their situation changes and cannot keep their pledges. His income has completely stagnated since the thread was quarantined and that isn't going to change unless some new website comes along that he can advertise through as he once did here, but why would that happen? For legit purpose there's steam (not an option) and to a far lesser extent, itchio, and for grey purposes there's F95 and a handful of other much smaller AVN sharing websites, the only prominent ones also having piracy.

I have no idea how other people would be finding this game on here these days. I was searching games by top weighted rating for incest and this game kept popping up, but at like page 6 out of 90. The mega download limit kept me away from the game for a while on top of that too.

 

[Bingoogus]

I have no idea how other people would be finding this game on here these days. I was searching games by top weighted rating for incest and this game kept popping up, but at like page 6 out of 90. The mega download limit kept me away from the game for a while on top of that too.

It's basically doing what you did plus people's signatures, there's no real other way to find the game here unless you already know of it and do a search.

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

I have no idea how other people would be finding this game on here these days. I was searching games by top weighted rating for incest and this game kept popping up, but at like page 6 out of 90. The mega download limit kept me away from the game for a while on top of that too.

The only reason I discovered Lessons in Love is because the dev of “Adventurer Trainer” and a couple of his supporters started talking about it on their thread. Apparently the dev was really inspired by LiL and gave his praises to Selebus as a talented writer.

Me, having already finished the current version of AT and looking for any new games to play, decided what the hell and did a search on it. Sure enough, there it was.

I downloaded it, not expecting much more than a quick way to pass the time before moving on to something else.

…Needless to say, LiL has had its claws in me ever since. I’ve never been more glad to be a KonoSuba fan.

Really glad I decided to play AT, because the domino effect it had led me to one of my favorite VNs. It also led me down the KK rabbit-hole, so there’s that too.