Sana wasn't actually there, but she was the person he saw, or the model was similar. Which means that his mind put her there, or whomever was controlling what he saw in his mind did. Or you could subscribe to the theory that his mind was in another "place" (during some blackouts like that one) akin to the copy of heaven Mymy is in now or something similar — which opens up a huge can of worms. I don't know how many people think that, at least for this instance, I'll shelve that for now. But then the question is why. Just fun to think about. I'm like 95% certain Sana will be very important in the future and might tie into more than we know now. I'm 100% certain I'm still a fucking moron though, and I can't find the train of thought I lost earlier. Might come back to it later with more thoughts.
Sana wasn't actually there, but she was the person he saw, or the model was similar. Which means that his mind put her there, or whomever was controlling what he saw in his mind did. Or you could subscribe to the theory that his mind was in another "place" (during some blackouts like that one) akin to the copy of heaven Mymy is in now or something similar — which opens up a huge can of worms. I don't know how many people think that, at least for this instance, I'll shelve that for now. But then the question is why. Just fun to think about. I'm like 95% certain Sana will be very important in the future and might tie into more than we know now. I'm 100% certain I'm still a fucking moron though, and I can't find the train of thought I lost earlier. Might come back to it later with more thoughts.
I don't know her intentions there, if she even existed, what would happen if she stalled Akira longer? Would Maya have been spared? Or would he simply have missed her being factory reset?
As a person who has just started playing this game, right? What on earth are all these theories I keep finding in the comments section of this game? Like reading some of them makes me feel like watching Interstellar Part Two or something. I thought this was just your run of the mill porn game with a school setting or something. Can someone explain just what on earth is going on with this game, but in like... short? Thanks!
As a person who has just started playing this game, right? What on earth are all these theories I keep finding in the comments section of this game? Like reading some of them makes me feel like watching Interstellar Part Two or something. I thought this was just your run of the mill porn game with a school setting or something. Can someone explain just what on earth is going on with this game, but in like... short? Thanks!
You play as a dude that doesn't know who he is and thinks that he has taken hold of another dude's body. Assuming this is all some kind of game, he sets forward trying to have sex with many girls.
But he keeps getting these visions and weird stuff happens to his head, which makes him question if this is all really a game and who he was in the first place.
From then onwards, it basically circles around the "what is this place" and "who am i", it just gets progressively more complicated as the game moves forward.
You don't need to understand all the weird stuff on your first playthrough, just play it. If you become interested in that side of things, we can help you, or you can just replay.
As a person who has just started playing this game, right? What on earth are all these theories I keep finding in the comments section of this game? Like reading some of them makes me feel like watching Interstellar Part Two or something. I thought this was just your run of the mill porn game with a school setting or something. Can someone explain just what on earth is going on with this game, but in like... short? Thanks!
I definitely don't recommend reading this thread for lore until you've fully caught up. There's a puzzle guide on the first page, use that and the search bar liberally because this game is a fucking mess.
Welcome in, and don't forget to smile
As a person who has just started playing this game, right? What on earth are all these theories I keep finding in the comments section of this game? Like reading some of them makes me feel like watching Interstellar Part Two or something. I thought this was just your run of the mill porn game with a school setting or something. Can someone explain just what on earth is going on with this game, but in like... short? Thanks!
Think of this as a horror mystery game with some porn in it rather than a porn game with horror in it. If that still interests you then jump in and come back to the forum when you're through all the spoilery bits.
If this game could be easily summed up in a paragraph we wouldn't have 40000 comments here.
Hmm I see; I can see two ways of interpreting what Pareidolia said during the 6th reset though.
Strictly speaking, else alone just means losing Prime Maya is solidly confirmed. To me his statement is somewhere between "Do I need to take something else from you again" and "Do I need to take something else from you as well"; if the former is true then it's Pareidolia who took away Maya Prime, if the latter is true then it's another god, but I honestly cannot make up my mind whether which end is more possible anymore.
Edit: Sensei himself believes to be Pareidolia that took her though.
As a person who has just started playing this game, right? What on earth are all these theories I keep finding in the comments section of this game? Like reading some of them makes me feel like watching Interstellar Part Two or something. I thought this was just your run of the mill porn game with a school setting or something. Can someone explain just what on earth is going on with this game, but in like... short? Thanks!
I'll take a short line from the latest update that might partly summarize the game. Whether it will make any sense to you, I can't say... well... it probably wont.
"O, terrible danger. O, big penis sex. O, world and its whirlpool. O, mole ratted necks."
"O, poetry, pottery, lottery, Shrek. O, rhyming - O, timing - On Dasher, On Deck!"
As a person who has just started playing this game, right? What on earth are all these theories I keep finding in the comments section of this game? Like reading some of them makes me feel like watching Interstellar Part Two or something. I thought this was just your run of the mill porn game with a school setting or something. Can someone explain just what on earth is going on with this game, but in like... short? Thanks!
I think it is Pareidolia narrating. He's illicitly using USER1's license to fuck with Sana, probably to make her scared of HOPE so that can swoop in as her "savior". Pareidolia shows up in person because someone (maybe Wires, maybe just automated system software) kicks him out from using USER1's account any more. Note that "account sharing is prohibited for new accounts" probably wouldn't apply for USER1's account, but it might for USER3 (as in the system detects that Pareidolia has accessed both USER1 and USER3 from the same "ip address").
I'm pretty sure Pareidolia does something similar with using USER1's account in Rin's Chapter 1 event "Window of the Waking Mind" (there have been a suspicious number of failed logins to USER1's account).
Interestingly, there's another narrator in "Ad Infinitum" before Sana starts seeing things, who also gets kicked out for improper use of USER1's license. It sounds like they're talking about Yasu's rope metaphor, which would mean the rope is Kumon-mi and/or all of its residents.
It's a bit confusing who this narrator is. I don't think it's Himawari because she shows up in person earlier in the event chain, so she wouldn't be talking about being in a completely different place (which might be outside of the walls) from Sensei.
The idea of breathing together is a callback both to the game's first narrator and to what Sensei thinks during the first reset.
So that makes me think it might be narrator Maya, but the narrator says they're not built to be Sensei's lover. Maybe narrator Maya doesn't have a body or something?
And then one more thing: again, it says account sharing is prohibited for new accounts. Assuming that USER1 isn't the new account, that would mean the narrator has access to a new account. Maybe USER4 is involved?
As a person who has just started playing this game, right? What on earth are all these theories I keep finding in the comments section of this game? Like reading some of them makes me feel like watching Interstellar Part Two or something. I thought this was just your run of the mill porn game with a school setting or something. Can someone explain just what on earth is going on with this game, but in like... short? Thanks!
I'm having an error loading my save from version 0.40.0, does anyone know a solution or have a save juts before the new update?
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I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.
While running game code:
File "renpy/common/00action_file.rpy", line 452, in __call__
AttributeError: 'StoreModule' object has no attribute 'Event'
-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------
Full traceback:
File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpymc", line 28, in script
File "C:\Users\Selebus\Documents\RenPy\renpy-7.3.2-sdk\renpy\ast.py", line 914, in execute
File "C:\Users\Selebus\Documents\RenPy\renpy-7.3.2-sdk\renpy\python.py", line 2028, in py_exec_bytecode
File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 28, in <module>
File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 35, in _execute_python_hide
File "C:\Users\Selebus\Documents\RenPy\renpy-7.3.2-sdk\renpy\ui.py", line 297, in interact
File "C:\Users\Selebus\Documents\RenPy\renpy-7.3.2-sdk\renpy\display\core.py", line 2702, in interact
File "C:\Users\Selebus\Documents\RenPy\renpy-7.3.2-sdk\renpy\display\core.py", line 3518, in interact_core
File "C:\Users\Selebus\Documents\RenPy\renpy-7.3.2-sdk\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
File "C:\Users\Selebus\Documents\RenPy\renpy-7.3.2-sdk\renpy\display\transition.py", line 47, in event
File "C:\Users\Selebus\Documents\RenPy\renpy-7.3.2-sdk\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
File "C:\Users\Selebus\Documents\RenPy\renpy-7.3.2-sdk\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
File "C:\Users\Selebus\Documents\RenPy\renpy-7.3.2-sdk\renpy\display\screen.py", line 714, in event
File "C:\Users\Selebus\Documents\RenPy\renpy-7.3.2-sdk\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
File "C:\Users\Selebus\Documents\RenPy\renpy-7.3.2-sdk\renpy\display\layout.py", line 244, in event
File "C:\Users\Selebus\Documents\RenPy\renpy-7.3.2-sdk\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
File "C:\Users\Selebus\Documents\RenPy\renpy-7.3.2-sdk\renpy\display\layout.py", line 244, in event
File "C:\Users\Selebus\Documents\RenPy\renpy-7.3.2-sdk\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
File "C:\Users\Selebus\Documents\RenPy\renpy-7.3.2-sdk\renpy\display\layout.py", line 244, in event
File "C:\Users\Selebus\Documents\RenPy\renpy-7.3.2-sdk\renpy\display\behavior.py", line 962, in event
File "C:\Users\Selebus\Documents\RenPy\renpy-7.3.2-sdk\renpy\display\behavior.py", line 897, in handle_click
File "C:\Users\Selebus\Documents\RenPy\renpy-7.3.2-sdk\renpy\display\behavior.py", line 313, in run
File "C:\Users\Selebus\Documents\RenPy\renpy-7.3.2-sdk\renpy\display\behavior.py", line 320, in run
File "renpy/common/00action_file.rpy", line 452, in __call__
File "C:\Users\Selebus\Documents\RenPy\renpy-7.3.2-sdk\renpy\loadsave.py", line 769, in load
File "C:\Users\Selebus\Documents\RenPy\renpy-7.3.2-sdk\renpy\loadsave.py", line 63, in loads
AttributeError: 'StoreModule' object has no attribute 'Event'
Windows-8-6.2.9200
Ren'Py 7.3.5.606
Lessons in Love 0.41.0
Mon Jul 08 23:45:02 2024
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I don't know her intentions there, if she even existed, what would happen if she stalled Akira longer? Would Maya have been spared? Or would he simply have missed her being factory reset?
I have a few vague thoughts. Aramaug beat me to some of it, though. Apologies in advance, this will probably be a long one.
Pareidolia echoes what Sara says stating that it's all in Sana's/Akira's head. This seems to be unreliable though, as Pareidolia does that a lot for his own reasons, and Sara is simply trying to convince Sana. Personally, I don't think Pareidolia was the one causing her visions, I think he shows up. Knowing that the visions have happened to Sana before and Sara before that, it isn't unprecedented. Whether User 1 is logged out because of Pareidolia triggering them to be flagged as unauthorized, or logged in himself and booted them off, or it happened automatically, I'm not sure. If you'll humor the idea, I think it's possible that there are three narrators in Ad Infinitum, with Pareidolia obviously being the last. User 1's connection is actually severed twice in ad infinitum. There's the first time, after which the narrator's speech shifts tonally, before it finally becomes erratic.
This could lend credence to a couple ideas. User 4 involved in some way, possibly. Or Narrator Maya at first, before someone else. It could also be the same narrator, but they're affected by these visions or the force of User 1 as well, or revealing their true nature. It's hard to make sense of it.
As for the specific imagery of Sana being held by the angel in the same way Ami is, it could be a couple things. The angels are interesting, because they don't show up all the time, and most of the time it's during Akira's delusions, largely during resets or when he's taken somewhere (mentally) like the game shows or strange places. We do see angels in what might be where they come from though, specifically in How I Feel, where Hope brings us to the strange room he has AmIOkay strapped in a machine. Seemingly they are actually agents of Hope and possibly the others. That might be dubious, though. I think in the case of Sana at least, the angel isn't necessarily there and holding her, it visually shows us her in Hope's 'grip'. 今 is a bit of a mess, though. This is what she says while that frame is on screen:
This could all be foreshadowing of some sort. Sana's depiction in this pose might be alluding to this, and how her pain/story climax is yet to come. It could also be a reused asset. I would think it's purposeful, but I don't think we can say what that purpose is 100%. You can be sure that it's related to the direct influence being exerted on the characters, though. In the end, I'm left admitting that once again, my best proposition is "visual story telling."
Now, the moments before the reset are a fucking nightmare if you overanalyze things. I spoke on Sana already, but as far as Ayane, we have to choose what we think.
1. It's all in Akira's head
2. It's all in Akira's head, but what he sees is influenced by [User/God] and not merely his mind
3. His consciousness is in another "place" ala mayo prism, and what he sees may or may not be someone interacting with him or creating a world/people for him
And then this post becomes 50 pages. To keep it brief, Ayane would make sense to be there in his head, probably less interesting than Sana being there as an adult. If someone put her there or is acting as her in option 2/3, that's more interesting. Himawari would do that, but how likely is she to be there? She's trying to save Akira from something there, either resetting Maya or watching it happen, but who and why? I don't have any good answers right now, so I'll let someone else do the heavy lifting.
It looks like Maya Prime is trapped at her replica of heaven, yes. And in that sense, she could be brought back. However, if the narrator for that event is herself, she is both confirmed as a narrator (which could mean that her "restoration" is becoming an observer instead, and narrating the game same as Himawari), and confirmed to be shrinking (which could mean a lot of things, most troubling being that we have a time-limit to recover her from there).
Lastly, the question remains as to who is keeping her there. Pareidolia had no intention of saving her, so probably not him. That Nao-chan led Noriko there would point to USER4, but AmIOkay says that Noriko shouldn't be there, so it could be that USER4 had Nao-chan lead Noriko to another god's domain instead. Unclear for now.
My money is on HOPE/USER1 for a few reasons.
- In terms of gods, this replica of Heaven is seen occupied only by HOPE in the past events
- amiokay's screen time (along with the rest of the paranormal Maya clones) with any god is exclusively with HOPE iirc
- the deadline Sensei failed to meet back in Ch3 was from HOPE, so I am assuming it's also HOPE who bestowed the consequence and took Maya Prime away (I have to go over again what Pareidolia said immediately after Maya Prime got reset; currently I don't remember whether Pareidolia claimed that Maya Prime's death was exactly his doing, or he was just mocking Sensei's loss due to his inaction and complacency)
I think it's Sekai and Pareidolia that are currently keeping Maya Prime prisoner, whether or not they are the ones that killed her (I think they did that as well, with Himawari's help, but that's a subject for a different post).
From "DEN OF THE MOLERAT" itself:
The PA voice says the same thing as in Pareidolia's reset
AmIOkay is writing "LET ME OUT" on the board over and over, a phrase which is associated with Sekai in "Something Everyone Knows and Ignores" and "Worry Not, the Mason Jar"
During the flashing images, a hand appears on the right side of the screen that I'm pretty sure is Kaori's (I don't think anyone else ever uses black nail polish). The T-pose stuff also seems to be connected to SekaiDolia in general.
HOPE went to Wires's domain (the old district) in "Trinity pt. II", so it makes sense that he would go to Pareidolia's domain in the third trinity event.
The event is probably narrated by Pareidolia, no one else would say things like this:
