Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

[fasoaga]

Good to know, thanks for that, also, do i REALLY need the guide that much? I'm usually the type of player to explore a lot but do we have some options that are that convoluted?
As for other VNs, I'm currently playing CK (waiting on Arc's big update now) and Eternum, both I really enjoy the writing aspect of it, I expect LiL to be at least just as good as these two (I'm also playing AHitR too but that story's still not in the same level)



So basically Blue Archive but going on the Depression Archive fantasies of some parts of the playerbase, noted.

While i don't know what CK is, i played eternum and i think it is one of if not the hottest porn game out there.

Story wise? It has a cool story device that constantly changes settings from horror to, action to adventure. And there is this mystery going in the bacground.

Girls? All beatifull with different qualities and characteristics.

It is an amazing game for sure.

How it compares to Lessons in Love?


Not even close.

From diologues to characters. From overall writing quality to subtle storytelling. From happiness and joy to depression. This game is the best thing i stumble upon in this site. It is so good that i can not enjoy the writing of games like eternum anymore.

 

[Mike.Ross80]

Good to know, thanks for that, also, do i REALLY need the guide that much? I'm usually the type of player to explore a lot but do we have some options that are that convoluted?
As for other VNs, I'm currently playing CK (waiting on Arc's big update now) and Eternum, both I really enjoy the writing aspect of it, I expect LiL to be at least just as good as these two (I'm also playing AHitR too but that story's still not in the same level)



So basically Blue Archive but going on the Depression Archive fantasies of some parts of the playerbase, noted.

I just recently played Ethernum, and I though it was just ... ok. I know it is one of the most recommended AVNs out there, but it just didn't hook me at all.

Some differences you will find between Lil and Ethernum. Ethernum's main plot is way more in the forefront compared to LiL, while LiL has much more of a focus on the LIs. And while Ethernum does have a mysterious main plot, LiL's is even more out there; to the point where I'm still not sure what is going on.

Add in that Ethernum's LIs all like each other and are ok with each getting with the MC, while there are some big rivalries between the LIs in LiL. You don't see a change at all in LiL until like Chapter 4, and even then it still kind of exists. To each their own on if that is a positive or negative.

Its hard to say if you will like the writing better in LiL or not; will depend on what your preferences are.

 

[Budoop]

No, I've already suffered enough from losing the most adorable creature in this game Sana. Now u made me afraid that my angel Ex-girlfriend is also a lie. Dont do this to me Sel... especially when I've already invested too much emotions and love in them...

Not figured out what game ur playing yet?
She's gonna crack like a glass tooth pick, mark my words.

 

[Moonflare]

I could never get into Eternum. I still check the updates because the sex scenes are of the highest quality possible, but I just go straight to the gallery.

In terms of story itself, I recently replayed TLS (although that's rpgm and that's a dealbreaker for a lot of people).

And although it seems like an off-topic, it actually made me rethink a bit on how I see LiL, because the first time I played TLS I was very pissed at a couple of things, like the succubi of your harem still having sex with other people. I had a different take this time and it let me understand a lot more about succubus culture and accept it for what it is (quite deep actually).

Back to LiL, I think the recent chapter and most recent Selebus' commentaries and writing will eventually force us to rethink how to digest LiL (it's already doing it to me), but that doesnt necessarily lead to it becoming a bad game, just different. Maybe a good middleground that's less about overthinking things (since that seems progressively more counterproductive and prone to disappointment).

But I don't know yet, I'm still thinking about it. I do wonder if when LiL is finally complete all this discussion will also be pointless, and the regular reader will just go "good thing I just blazed through all that supernatural/religious nonsense, and waited for the game to give me answers instead of thinking about it".

 

[flacc2pit]

But I don't know yet, I'm still thinking about it. I do wonder if when LiL is finally complete all this discussion will also be pointless, and the regular reader will just go "good thing I just blazed through all that supernatural/religious nonsense, and waited for the game to give me answers instead of thinking about it".

When done well knowing the answers shouldn't diminish the discussion that lead to it. The Ghost of High Heart passages in A song of ice and fire are still beloved after her allegorical visions come do or don't come true. I think the size of narrative and number of different perspectives in LiL should enable the story to still hold up after plot questions are answered. Knowing that Maya Prime was wrong about some things doesn't diminish the impact of her scenes and her trying to understand things; the struggle in the story should still work whether the reader is aware of the why and how. I suppose there is risk that parts of the story will read as meaningless or redundant/filler without the obfuscation, but even then the effect on the characters is still there for most of it. Only recently have character reactions fallen flat, and they fell flat on first read anways. Sensei's relative stupidity/lack of action is there throughout, and that may be the most frustrating thing, as on first read a lot of the time his memory or lack thereof serves as a way to handwave why he doesn't say or do certain things, but if/when we get confirmation that inaction/lack of interaction with confidants were caused by apathy or complete incompetence instead of memory lapses/God fuckery, large sections of this whole story will read as treading water.

 

[kazk56]

Hey everyone! I keep seeing people mention the Green Route—could someone tell me what it is and how you unlock it? Is it no Ami fuck route or something else?

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

Hey everyone! I keep seeing people mention the Green Route—could someone tell me what it is and how you unlock it? Is it no Ami fuck route or something else?

The green route is not a "route" in your usual way. It's just a 100% playthrough.

 

[shmurfer]

Hey everyone! I keep seeing people mention the Green Route—could someone tell me what it is and how you unlock it? Is it no Ami fuck route or something else?

When you miss events, they turn red. When you see an event, it turns green. There's a way to see every event in the game, this is Green Path.

Red and green path is just useful shorthand. Some major things happen based on choices that miss events. Not fucking Ami is red path. Being a bad homie to Rin is red path. Sometimes we'll compare things like red path and green path Io.

It's impossible to see all dialogue without cheating (at least one point in the chapter 1 rework made certain alt dialogue impossible) and there's a couple interesting things that happen in the game based on intense specific grinding, but most people aren't meant to see that during their playthroughs. Missing these is still Green Path, it's purely missed events that we care about here.

Just catch up to the current update and then ask / pay attention to the loremaster posts if you want to hear about things like that.

 

[kazk56]

When you miss events, they turn red. When you see an event, it turns green. There's a way to see every event in the game, this is Green Path.

Red and green path is just useful shorthand. Some major things happen based on choices that miss events. Not fucking Ami is red path. Being a bad homie to Rin is red path. Sometimes we'll compare things like red path and green path Io.

It's impossible to see all dialogue without cheating (at least one point in the chapter 1 rework made certain alt dialogue impossible) and there's a couple interesting things that happen in the game based on intense specific grinding, but most people aren't meant to see that during their playthroughs. Missing these is still Green Path, it's purely missed events that we care about here.

Just catch up to the current update and then ask / pay attention to the loremaster posts if you want to hear about things like that.

lol and I thought it was something like a green flag route where you are as nice as possible.

 

[Pedro4545454]

Even after months, my opinion remains the same.

Red path = happiness now, much sadness later.

Green path = sadness now, much happiness later.

 

[Bingoogus]

lol and I thought it was something like a green flag route where you are as nice as possible.

I'm a nerd, when i first came up with the Green Path name i went on a bit of a rant about the 'purity' of the route, i had just come out of another re-read of God Emperor of Dune and if you'd read that you'd know all about the Golden Path. In short, the Green Path is the true route, the way the game is meant to be played if you actually pay attention to what the author says, because the truth is you don't have an actual choice, there's the illusion of choice, you're free to choose wrong, but make no mistake, it is wrong. You might think you're making choices, but you're just ripping the story up because you can't handle the weight of the story, at least as far as the dev is concerned. The Green Path is making all the 'choices' Sensei would make, not what you would make.

Anyway, the name stuck, not that i'm complaining exactly, but i was being a bit pretentious when i first coined and ranted on about it like 2 years ago or something. Play however you like, the dev is a douche, sticking to a 100% save to see all the content is smart but if you can't get through some of the more twisted shit in the game, well, do what you want i guess.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

xddddd

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[Hungnoxu]

Is missing Toys event gonna affects anything? The event appeared after Makoto's dad event happened so i couldnt increase her lust

 

[shmurfer]

Is missing Toys event gonna affects anything? The event appeared after Makoto's dad event happened so i couldnt increase her lust

Kind of, missing the event itself misses lore. and it's one of the bugs in the guide mod atm.

Have you got URM? we could tell you what to edit.


Although, didn't you just post about Glasswalker? That's after Toys. I kinda recommend rolling back to before Toys, editing the values to let you see it, and then letting the game text skip for a while. If your save was red before Toys probably ain't worth rolling back.

 

[Hungnoxu]

Kind of, missing the event itself misses lore. and it's one of the bugs in the guide mod atm.

Have you got URM? we could tell you what to edit.


Although, didn't you just post about Glasswalker? That's after Toys. I kinda recommend rolling back to before Toys, editing the values to let you see it, and then letting the game text skip for a while. If your save was red before Toys probably ain't worth rolling back.

Yeah, I've already done Glasswalker, just want to ask if Toys important or not, 'cause if yes then I'll have to replay alots because I'm currently playing using Joiplay rn, cant edit anything
Edit: Ah nvm, autovn mod helped me get Toys event. Nice

 

[BlackDays]

I'm a nerd, when i first came up with the Green Path name i went on a bit of a rant about the 'purity' of the route, i had just come out of another re-read of God Emperor of Dune and if you'd read that you'd know all about the Golden Path. In short, the Green Path is the true route, the way the game is meant to be played if you actually pay attention to what the author says, because the truth is you don't have an actual choice, there's the illusion of choice, you're free to choose wrong, but make no mistake, it is wrong. You might think you're making choices, but you're just ripping the story up because you can't handle the weight of the story, at least as far as the dev is concerned. The Green Path is making all the 'choices' Sensei would make, not what you would make.

Anyway, the name stuck, not that i'm complaining exactly, but i was being a bit pretentious when i first coined and ranted on about it like 2 years ago or something. Play however you like, the dev is a douche, sticking to a 100% save to see all the content is smart but if you can't get through some of the more twisted shit in the game, well, do what you want i guess.

So interesting.
I just know the cinematographic versions of the story by Frank Herbert and his succesors (Dune OG/+, Dune TV short series 3+3, and sadly by Villeneuve).
And i know that Sel is into David Lynch.

That said, i only faintly remember "The God Emperor of Dune" from summary.
So what are you comparing?

 

[Hungnoxu]

Feeling weird, probaly still not used to this yet? I cried during Glasswalker, was feeling so emotional and thinking that Sensei was slowly becoming a better person. But then, literally in the next few events, he said he loves Maya, Noriko, Kirin, and Yuki and wanted to fuck them or sth. May I ask for spoilers about who he actually loves? Or basically he gonna "love" everyone or no one because he doesnt even know "love"?

 

[Bingoogus]

So interesting.
I just know the cinematographic versions of the story by Frank Herbert and his succesors (Dune OG/+, Dune TV short series 3+3, and sadly by Villeneuve).
And i know that Sel is into David Lynch.

That said, i only faintly remember "The God Emperor of Dune" from summary.
So what are you comparing?

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[jclark1337]

Feeling weird, probaly still not used to this yet? I cried during Glasswalker, was feeling so emotional and thinking that Sensei was slowly becoming a better person. But then, literally in the next few events, he said he loves Maya, Noriko, Kirin, and Yuki and wanted to fuck them or sth. May I ask for spoilers about who he actually loves? Or basically he gonna "love" everyone or no one because he doesnt even know "love"?

Hint: It's the one person that treats him how he feels he deserves and is as fucked up as him but also everyone

 

[Hungnoxu]

Hint: It's the one person that treats him how he feels he deserves and is as fucked up as him but also everyone

So he does love someone? Thats new. For the hint, uh... Sana? Because aint no way my angel Niki is fucked up