Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

[Moonflare]

Does this mean that we should take into consideration that we are part of the world of Lessons in Love as an entity inside Akira's head?

There has been enough foreshadowing that it is a viable theory. The issue is Selebus himself. In a few words, he has been throwing evidence to all sorts of interpretations for years.

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There are tons of examples, but where I'm going with this is that when it's well done (imo) every piece of evidence fits together towards a satisfying end. I'm not convinced that will be case for LiL at all. Rather, I'd throw the recent hand to camera as yet another flight of fancy from Selebus rather than evidence of anything.

It's likely that at the end there will be a few pieces of evidence scattered through the chapters, but the majority of it all will fall under a gigantic (and very convenient for Selebus) "misdirection umbrella".

 

[Mike.Ross80]

I was rewatching it here, and Akira, at the beginning of Io's event, literally destroys the fourth wall completely, asking who we are, who he's been talking to all this time, about how we know everything about him and he knows nothing about us, and then there's Rin's event where he literally blocks us from seeing more about their kiss.

Does this mean that we should take into consideration that we are part of the world of Lessons in Love as an entity inside Akira's head? I could be wrong, but I think that of all the characters, he's the only one who spoke to us, the player. The gods speak more to Akira and not to us, so we would be an entity that only Akira knows exists and can speak to, or am I overthinking it?

I'd say likely not. Breaking the 4th wall has been occurring all the time and is even directly called out back in Chapter 2

Spoiler: Breaking the 4th wall

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[hopeisdead6969]

I'd say likely not. Breaking the 4th wall has been occurring all the time and is even directly called out back in Chapter 2

Spoiler: Breaking the 4th wall

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Fair point, but also, being self aware doesn’t make something therefore acceptable.

“He’s right behind me, isn’t he?” is now a joke beyond reason, yet it won’t stop movie makers from putting it in with “a wink and a nod.” It’s still shit at the end of the day. Parody is no longer parody when it has nothing insightful to say, and that above quote with Tsuneyo reads more like a condescending dig than anything meaningful when discussing the concept of 4th wall breaking. He’s just mad people call him out for it, so he’s taking a shot at his PAYING customers.

My opinion at least. At the same time, it doesn’t inherently break LiL. But whenever I see some trope being used, my first question is “why is this being used and what does it try to say by using said trope?”

 

[shmurfer]

I was rewatching it here, and Akira, at the beginning of Io's event, literally destroys the fourth wall completely, asking who we are, who he's been talking to all this time, about how we know everything about him and he knows nothing about us, and then there's Rin's event where he literally blocks us from seeing more about their kiss.

Does this mean that we should take into consideration that we are part of the world of Lessons in Love as an entity inside Akira's head? I could be wrong, but I think that of all the characters, he's the only one who spoke to us, the player. The gods speak more to Akira and not to us, so we would be an entity that only Akira knows exists and can speak to, or am I overthinking it?

There's enough that you should pay attention to it, but probably don't invest into it being relevant yet. Akira knowingly narrates the game, chooses the events to show you, can be woken up by the camera coming back to him from another girl's event and is aware of the affection system, having narrated it a bunch of times.

 

[NoraBestGirl]

Dive bar on Friday nights

Thanks my bro!

 

[NoraBestGirl]

What do you guys think about Maya and Ami's relationship? Do you think Maya might have romantic feelings for Ami? I rarely see people discussing this.

 

[Pedro4545454]

I rarely see people discussing this.

I think, I just think it's because the answer is a bit obvious for that ;-;

 

[NoraBestGirl]

I think, I just think it's because the answer is a bit obvious for that ;-;

I understand that Maya says that Akira is the only person she has ever felt anything for and is madly in love with him. But people can interpret her love for Ami differently. I interpret it as friendship, but this game has several interpretations.

 

[shmurfer]

I don't think she has any romantic love for Ami, she's too ready to lie to her face to get what she really wants which is Akira.

But she'd fuck her.

 

[NoraBestGirl]

I don't think she has any romantic love for Ami, she's too ready to lie to her face to get what she really wants which is Akira.

But she'd fuck her.

I agree with you, like in the scene where she wants to know where Akira is during the dorms war and asks Ami. She lied about basically everything there, including confessing to Akira when she finds him at the shrine.
And Maya from Ayane's timeline in the last reset reveals that she has already had a threesome with all the girls in the room (with Akira).

 

[NoraBestGirl]

So I believe the most plausible answer is that she feels a best friend's love for Ami, but she'd fuck her (as she fuck with all the other girls along with Akira).
The game makes it clear that Akira is the love/soulmate of Maya's life and Maya is the love/soulmate of Akira's life. Nothing destroyed Akira more than Maya's reset. Regardless of the fact that he also says he loves the other girls and sleeps with them, the dialogues make it very clear that it is Maya that he would choose to spend the rest of his life with if it were an option.

 

[Pedro4545454]

I think Maya qualifies as Ayane and Ami, a situational lesbian, they would be with any girl if it meant having something with Akira, otherwise I don't think they would willingly be with any girl. (I might be saying something wrong because I'm sleepy hahahaha, forgive the English mistakes)

 

[NoraBestGirl]

I think Maya qualifies as Ayane and Ami, a situational lesbian, they would be with any girl if it meant having something with Akira, otherwise I don't think they would willingly be with any girl. (I might be saying something wrong because I'm sleepy hahahaha, forgive the English mistakes)

I agree with you. I also think that Maya would only have sex with a woman if it was with Akira. In the scene where Ami fucks her, it was clearly not willingly, although she liked it (she says she liked it because she was sexually unsatisfied since she and Akira are not having sex).

 

[NoraBestGirl]

Speaking of which, what do you guys think about this scene where Ami fucks Maya during the reset? What are your thoughts on it?

 

[Squalicorax]

The Scary Room is really interesting with all the new information.

Even back when I first started to think Ami knew everything, the presence of the Angels and other weirdness made me think everything, including whatever was on the projector, was just weird supernatural stuff.

But I think knowing what we know now about Ami, I'd bet everything involving the projector and the factory reset prank were Ami. Based on the narration and the Angel's dialogue, I think the first pictures were the wizard Maya pictures we now know Akira has lying around. Whatever comes after that is interesting though:

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I'm assuming it's old pictures involving Niki that Maya destroyed? Other potential options being Noriko, or even maybe Sekai.

Either way, I think this is all stuff Ami would have access to. The only questionable bit is the part that mimics the System dialogue with all the /// but I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume if Maya's familiar with that then Ami also would be.

 

[fasoaga]

The Scary Room is really interesting with all the new information.

Even back when I first started to think Ami knew everything, the presence of the Angels and other weirdness made me think everything, including whatever was on the projector, was just weird supernatural stuff.

But I think knowing what we know now about Ami, I'd bet everything involving the projector and the factory reset prank were Ami. Based on the narration and the Angel's dialogue, I think the first pictures were the wizard Maya pictures we now know Akira has lying around. Whatever comes after that is interesting though:

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I'm assuming it's old pictures involving Niki that Maya destroyed? Other potential options being Noriko, or even maybe Sekai.

Either way, I think this is all stuff Ami would have access to. The only questionable bit is the part that mimics the System dialogue with all the /// but I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume if Maya's familiar with that then Ami also would be.

If you replay that event chain, you will see Ami is the one who suggest scary room to Maya.

 

[Budoop]

If you replay that event chain, you will see Ami is the one who suggest scary room to Maya.

If you do a replay of the game you will see LOADS of instances that hint towards her knowledge of everything.
I cottoned onto it in Season 2 but people said I was crazy.

 

[fasoaga]

If you do a replay of the game you will see LOADS of instances that hint towards her knowledge of everything.
I cottoned onto it in Season 2 but people said I was crazy.

It totally does. Replaying the game gives you a lot of instances where Ami knows everything, and Maya subtly trying to make sensei remember the past.

Some random events that you may thought as filler and boring content have deep lore and very emotional weights.

 

[Detective Dc345]

If you do a replay of the game you will see LOADS of instances that hint towards her knowledge of everything.
I cottoned onto it in Season 2 but people said I was crazy.

Cottoned on?

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Selebus about to mald with these new Texas laws