Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.54.0] [Selebus]

[shmurfer]

Speaking of people ignoring problems. How bad has Yumi let things get? If Yuki's at the point of letting Kaori comfort her.

 

[ElukiaTV]

The Drepresse Expresso train is going strong this time.

 

[aramaug]

let's be serious, realistically Niki would know. It's either willful ignorance or Chika levels of cope.

I'd wager it's more that she's testing to which extent she can control him and Ami with the illusion of them having to hide it from her. "would they stop with me living here?", "would they stop if I got to know the other girls? (invite over events)", "would I actually be able to turn Ami's head around?".

Obviously that was all pointless, as what the conversation with Ami showed her (when she asks if Ami is having sex with him for real, long before she came along).

Regardless, I think Selebus wrote himself into a corner there, as he's done many times over, because Niki can't really act in a decisive manner because the rest of the plot has to catch up before it - meaning that she has to stay the oblivious mama Niki that lives with Akira and Ami until we've dealt with a lot of other stuff. It was the same with Chika, she couldn't discover everything that was obvious before the plot reached the point of fixing it with a TSS.

It's ambiguous how much Niki knows because we've only seen her actions, not her thoughts. But I'd be surprised if she isn't 99% certain that Sensei is sleeping with some of his students, and she's probably known since well before she moved in.

Spoiler: Kumon-mi stars and celebrities: What do they know? Do they know things? Let's find out!

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Plus, Niki can't take over as the new queen of willful ignorance, even with Chika vacating the title - Imani's already got that role locked down.

 

[Detective Dc345]

Spoiler: Feet (0.50 Preview)

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Alright, I have to know. How many of you sniffed the screen?

 

[Pedro4545454]

Alright, I have to know. How many of you sniffed the screen?

;-;, I think almost no one did this, from what I saw, many "complained" when Selly added the Foot fetish in this update, so I think few people did this.

 

[PineApplePrinceAkira]

Spoiler: Feet (0.50 Preview)

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Spoiler: What Sel Expected To Happen:

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[PriorSatanic]

so how do i actually unlock the invite over option for girls cause im kinda stuck with two of them only having invite events from what i can tell atleast? also, do the lines in the event tracker indicate what events can be done in the current chapter? for example, sana has 14 events listed before a dashed line.

 

[TheGoodPastor]

so how do i actually unlock the invite over option for girls cause im kinda stuck with two of them only having invite events from what i can tell atleast? also, do the lines in the event tracker indicate what events can be done in the current chapter? for example, sana has 14 events listed before a dashed line.

Assuming you're at the point in the story where you can invite the girl over, you trigger these events by selecting the girl in your phone in the evening and selecting the invite option.

And yes, the lines are there to separate events by chapter.

 

[PriorSatanic]

Assuming you're at the point in the story where you can invite the girl over, you trigger these events by selecting the girl in your phone in the evening and selecting the invite option.

And yes, the lines are there to separate events by chapter.

ah ok so i need to progress the story then. well atleast this means i should be able to focus on the other girls

 

[Mike.Ross80]

What i really like about replaying LiL is that i can now finally understand these little random tangets about gods and whatnot that confused me in my past playthroughs.This is one of them.

[/SPOILER]

About a month ago, I started a fresh playthrough, and found the same as you. I like how there are these small mentions that originally didn't seem special at all, but then take on more meaning once you see how the story played out more. Also the little fun comments that kinda foreshadow things later on. Like the 1st Halloween party, Akira saying that Ami killing someone during the party would be bad, Makoto talking about jumping off a building and Tsuneyo's compulsion to touch members of Ami's family.

I've been trying to remeber to screenshot then when I notice.

Spoiler: 1st Halloween

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[fdsasdf_p]

I'm replaying the game (and don't have screenshots, sorry in advance) and I'm a bit confused with Ami right before the third (fourth?) reset. She and Sensei go visit the grave of Sekai, after which Ami eventually reads Sensei some poetry. She goes to check her phone and her eyes change to very tiny versions, she knocks over a glass, essentially having a panic attack. She comes to and forgets that all happened, but the next event with Ayane and Maya, she's actively cycling through normal Ami, Nao, and small-eyed Ami.

I bring this up because later on in chapter 4, it seems like she has awareness of the resets and there's been a lot of speculation that she always has, but the reactions she gives here don't seem like those of someone who is expecting them. I feel like maybe she's slipping between multiple versions of herself, maybe? Could she have been replaced? Have we already discussed this and my years of consuming short form content have disintegrated what little memory I had left?

Adding more to questioning early Ami's awareness toward resets

Spoiler: Reset2

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But let's forget about that too. This is a very good starting point for me to express just how shaky speculation about “Ami has always been Ami Prime” really is to me; not via entry points like "awareness of fuckery" or "knowledge of resets" like you did there, but just via "personalities", my sole struggle in believing the said speculation.

Sure, Ami is the queen of the unhinged, creepy, and lore-heavy; always has been. But at the same time, back in Ch1, she was predominantly, consistently just a sweet and genuine airhead, especially towards her friends. With every scene you find Ami being suspicious of something during your Nth playthrough, comes 10 other scenes that would suggest otherwise but go unnoticed. Even if she gradually becomes more maniacal and unexplainable as story progresses, early Ami's personality is still in such a big contrast when compared with just how full-blown vicious Ami Prime is. To demonstrate, I hand picked a few moments to pose as a challenge for all that believes “Ami has always been Ami Prime”.

Spoiler: Challenges

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All of these moments revolve around Maya to a certain extent deliberately to make a contrast to how Ami Prime's been treating Nu Maya, and the challenge itself is that you have to look at these moment and convince yourself "yuuuup this is definitely Ami Prime in disguise. 100%. She's lying and hiding I can totally see it.". While concealing her presence from Maya Prime sounds quite possible and hardly far-fetched, this would mean that I inadvertently have to believe that early Ami is Ami Prime despite the former not showing cosmic knowledge, fuckery awareness, and mostly importantly not showing the off-the-chart toxicity of the latter. The difference there is so large that they might as well be different people. Isn't this why we distinguish Nu Maya from Maya Prime in the first place?

Anyway, this is my biggest reason why I hesitate about embracing the speculation of Ami Prime being always there, and it's because such a speculation is an interesting yet not-so-perfect puzzle piece that fits some corners of the puzzle but not all corners. I can't rely solely on takes on supernaturally freaky moments to commit to "early Ami == Ami Prime", while ignoring feelings these cute slice-of-life moments give me. I think slipping in-n-out of her other alt selves does make some sense: Ami perhaps is the same as her mother, susceptible to many sounds, things, everything; it's just one of things is her ultimate evil self from another timeline from a long long time ago. At least, this is one of the potential solutions that isn't comprehensive yet also isn't contradicting much of anything, as now we just need to think about "when the slipping takes place and by what" rather than "how the fuck would Ami Prime act so sweet back then".

 

[Detective Dc345]

Does Kaori understand the concept of death? If not, I wonder how Yuki will explain death to Kaori.

 

[Moonflare]

She does. There's a whole event about it. Actually, a chain of events that ends up with Kaori being dressed up in a maid outfit to help with her grief.

 

[Squalicorax]

I have a new crackpot theory: What if butterflies represent a connection to Nozomu? Sekai is obvious, Sara is popular speculation, and I have just discovered it was actually Imani's biological dad who was japanese, not her mom.

Spoiler: unrelated

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[LucioNeri]

Adding more to questioning early Ami's awareness toward resets

Spoiler: Reset2

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But let's forget about that too. This is a very good starting point for me to express just how shaky speculation about “Ami has always been Ami Prime” really is to me; not via entry points like "awareness of fuckery" or "knowledge of resets" like you did there, but just via "personalities", my sole struggle in believing the said speculation.

Sure, Ami is the queen of the unhinged, creepy, and lore-heavy; always has been. But at the same time, back in Ch1, she was predominantly, consistently just a sweet and genuine airhead, especially towards her friends. With every scene you find Ami being suspicious of something during your Nth playthrough, comes 10 other scenes that would suggest otherwise but go unnoticed. Even if she gradually becomes more maniacal and unexplainable as story progresses, early Ami's personality is still in such a big contrast when compared with just how full-blown vicious Ami Prime is. To demonstrate, I hand picked a few moments to pose as a challenge for all that believes “Ami has always been Ami Prime”.

Spoiler: Challenges

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All of these moments revolve around Maya to a certain extent deliberately to make a contrast to how Ami Prime's been treating Nu Maya, and the challenge itself is that you have to look at these moment and convince yourself "yuuuup this is definitely Ami Prime in disguise. 100%. She's lying and hiding I can totally see it.". While concealing her presence from Maya Prime sounds quite possible and hardly far-fetched, this would mean that I inadvertently have to believe that early Ami is Ami Prime despite the former not showing cosmic knowledge, fuckery awareness, and mostly importantly not showing the off-the-chart toxicity of the latter. The difference there is so large that they might as well be different people. Isn't this why we distinguish Nu Maya from Maya Prime in the first place?

Anyway, this is my biggest reason why I hesitate about embracing the speculation of Ami Prime being always there, and it's because such a speculation is an interesting yet not-so-perfect puzzle piece that fits some corners of the puzzle but not all corners. I can't rely solely on takes on supernaturally freaky moments to commit to "early Ami == Ami Prime", while ignoring feelings these cute slice-of-life moments give me. I think slipping in-n-out of her other alt selves does make some sense: Ami perhaps is the same as her mother, susceptible to many sounds, things, everything; it's just one of things is her ultimate evil self from another timeline from a long long time ago. At least, this is one of the potential solutions that isn't comprehensive yet also isn't contradicting much of anything, as now we just need to think about "when the slipping takes place and by what" rather than "how the fuck would Ami Prime act so sweet back then".

Yeah, I also don't think Ami was aware at that time, but I think Ami Prime is always there, inside her. How I see it, early Ami knows something is off, and she forces herself a little to act more sweet and dense than she really is as her defense mechanism and her way to fit in the group. She still an airhead, but not that "airhead". She is a little bit manipulative from the start and full of lust for Akira, she just controls herself a little bit to be seen more "normal". It's only after she starts to read Sekai poetry that she lets herself loose.

In a way, Ami is always Ami Prime, but Ami Prime is not always Ami. The manipulation, the insecurities and, above all, the intrusive thoughts are there from the start, but for them to take full control there is a trigger, her memories, and those also have a trigger, that someone clears the lingering feeling that something is off. The moment Makoto tells Ami about the resets, the moment the fog banishes from Ami head, and it's replaced by her clean memories, knowledge about the world and understanding of her own actions. Ami put two and two together and knows she has been ready for the rumble since day one. The good news there must be a way to stop her. If Maya Prime wrote about not telling Ami about the resets, is because she experienced it, and in some way she, or something else, sealed her away.

 

[TheGoodPastor]

Alright, I have to know. How many of you sniffed the screen?

Sniffed? No.

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[ugoughi90]

Yeah, I also don't think Ami was aware at that time, but I think Ami Prime is always there, inside her. How I see it, early Ami knows something is off, and she forces herself a little to act more sweet and dense than she really is as her defense mechanism and her way to fit in the group. She still an airhead, but not that "airhead". She is a little bit manipulative from the start and full of lust for Akira, she just controls herself a little bit to be seen more "normal". It's only after she starts to read Sekai poetry that she lets herself loose.

In a way, Ami is always Ami Prime, but Ami Prime is not always Ami. The manipulation, the insecurities and, above all, the intrusive thoughts are there from the start, but for them to take full control there is a trigger, her memories, and those also have a trigger, that someone clears the lingering feeling that something is off. The moment Makoto tells Ami about the resets, the moment the fog banishes from Ami head, and it's replaced by her clean memories, knowledge about the world and understanding of her own actions. Ami put two and two together and knows she has been ready for the rumble since day one. The good news there must be a way to stop her. If Maya Prime wrote about not telling Ami about the resets, is because she experienced it, and in some way she, or something else, sealed her away.

I was pondering about the same thing. My second playthrough is still stuck to the 2nd chapter because i hardly have time to play, but i don’t feel like Ami have always been Ami Prime, but it was more like sudden sensations and memories came back to her, only to be put in the back of her head until the next ones happened.

Spoiler: Spoiler for the end of Chapter 3 and following events

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[TheGoodPastor]

Spoiler: Spoiler for the end of Chapter 3 and following events

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Yeah, you're misremembering the order of events. Makoto tries to talk to Ami about the resets (through texts) almost immediately after she herself finds out about them, well before Times New Roman and the disappearance of Maya Prime. From there is where Ami slowly starts to act more clingy and unhinged - accusing Ayane and Maya of tricking and ditching her into the old district, interrogating Sensei about how he's spending his time and that kind of behaviour. That all happens throughout Chapter 3, then it's Times New Roman and into the sadness coma.

 

[Riolol]

So if Ami has not been Ami Prime the entire time, when exactly do you think she was swapped out? Presumably during one of the resets or time skips. It's seems odd nobody noticed she changed. Saying that I do remember a few complaints about her acting out of character before we knew all this.

 

[Leoxsama]

Adding more to questioning early Ami's awareness toward resets

Spoiler: Reset2

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But let's forget about that too. This is a very good starting point for me to express just how shaky speculation about “Ami has always been Ami Prime” really is to me; not via entry points like "awareness of fuckery" or "knowledge of resets" like you did there, but just via "personalities", my sole struggle in believing the said speculation.

Sure, Ami is the queen of the unhinged, creepy, and lore-heavy; always has been. But at the same time, back in Ch1, she was predominantly, consistently just a sweet and genuine airhead, especially towards her friends. With every scene you find Ami being suspicious of something during your Nth playthrough, comes 10 other scenes that would suggest otherwise but go unnoticed. Even if she gradually becomes more maniacal and unexplainable as story progresses, early Ami's personality is still in such a big contrast when compared with just how full-blown vicious Ami Prime is. To demonstrate, I hand picked a few moments to pose as a challenge for all that believes “Ami has always been Ami Prime”.

Spoiler: Challenges

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All of these moments revolve around Maya to a certain extent deliberately to make a contrast to how Ami Prime's been treating Nu Maya, and the challenge itself is that you have to look at these moment and convince yourself "yuuuup this is definitely Ami Prime in disguise. 100%. She's lying and hiding I can totally see it.". While concealing her presence from Maya Prime sounds quite possible and hardly far-fetched, this would mean that I inadvertently have to believe that early Ami is Ami Prime despite the former not showing cosmic knowledge, fuckery awareness, and mostly importantly not showing the off-the-chart toxicity of the latter. The difference there is so large that they might as well be different people. Isn't this why we distinguish Nu Maya from Maya Prime in the first place?

Anyway, this is my biggest reason why I hesitate about embracing the speculation of Ami Prime being always there, and it's because such a speculation is an interesting yet not-so-perfect puzzle piece that fits some corners of the puzzle but not all corners. I can't rely solely on takes on supernaturally freaky moments to commit to "early Ami == Ami Prime", while ignoring feelings these cute slice-of-life moments give me. I think slipping in-n-out of her other alt selves does make some sense: Ami perhaps is the same as her mother, susceptible to many sounds, things, everything; it's just one of things is her ultimate evil self from another timeline from a long long time ago. At least, this is one of the potential solutions that isn't comprehensive yet also isn't contradicting much of anything, as now we just need to think about "when the slipping takes place and by what" rather than "how the fuck would Ami Prime act so sweet back then".

No matter how much you try to convince me that Ami was a sweet and innocent girl in chapter 1 before sensei started diddling kids, I'm 99% sure Ami was a D1 gas lighter who knew about sensei's "condition" and used that to try and string him along. Ami ALWAYS striked me as a control freak even after the "touching" moments we got after Ami crashed out.