Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.55.0] [Selebus]

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Moonflare said:
If you are taking the path of "I, as a reader, got satisfaction from seeing Akira suffering great abuse in his past, and see this as an emotional release for me, the reader, after having seen him destroy a lot of lives in the narrative i'm reading" then sure. I don't feel that way, but to each their own.

But your argument in relation to the story and its themes makes zero sense. This would be like saying that Io deserved to be raped by her mother because 15 years later she'll be so fucked up by the experience that she'll pull a gun and kill her entire class.
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One final point is that the information we have about the whole situation is also rather fragmented, and at times contradictory. Why would Sekai choose to stay with Nozomu after what she saw? Where were Saki and Yuu? Was Nozomu Akira's guardian? I'm not really satisfied with the current known information and thus generally refrain from looking too much into it for now.
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First, I must acknowledge you're fully correct and I did get caught up in the moment here. I really got angry at what happened in game and I must apologize to anyone feeling uncomfortable with my saying. I will mark spoilers for all of them. If you're all want, I could delete them as well. I just really want to have a friendly conversation with everyone here and suddenly I become the Enemy of the people...

And to anyone saying I'm a crusader or something. Okay, fine. I just think you guys are taking it too literally and I don't even know how to explain. The point I want to say is always that man shouldn't let their past dictate them. And I think it's poetic to point out even the worst would be a victim at any moment. When I grew up in my homecountry, things were not fine either. And my teachers forced a lot of (not sexual, that of verbal attack) traumas upon me. Without anyone to help me, I grew out of it myself and really tried to be better person than them. But now I know that I don't have right to critize or feel or gloat anyone even if the opponent was a fictional character structing in hell and actively seeking for hurt of others for thousands of years. I swear I never said anything like that to anyone. I know some of my tempting thoughts are even more twisted (I think you will misunderstand again and it's not what you'd think) and I will not fall into them. I never said I'm a perfect person. We all have darkness inside and I'm not ashamed to acknowledge this. I think Io is another thing. She never tried to let anyone else suffer like her and tried to cope with her problems with all helps she could get. She failed but she hasn't given up yet. I appreciate that and thank Selebus for giving us opportunities to give her some actual love.

Please ignore any spelling mistakes here since I can't think about that. I hate feelings that everyone disagreed with me. And about Niki. I argue with you there are too many inconsistences here although I could accept a certain amount of them for aesthetics reasons, I will not argue further.

Sorry everyone, I always to impress others but my words are impulsive and harsh. I don't mind how you guys might hate me for that and I for sure hope that you could forgive me. I will do better next time.
 
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Moonflare said:
One point I would like to address that you didn't is that Niki, and especially her parents are guilty in all of this. Obviously I'm limited by how good of a writer Selebus will be here, but in a real life situation, and what he decided to write in that event, Niki and her family suspected for years what was going on and did nothing. They weren't sort of acquainted, he was her boyfriend and before that he was in her house everyday. Again, it's a writing issue more than anything, but any sane person would have investigated the situation further or called social services.
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I don't really think that's bad writing at all to be honest though - in fact even in my own life I've seen this situation go down much the same way. It's nice to think in this sort of situation most people would turn into sleuths but the reality is a lot of people opt to mind their own business in these kinds of situations, especially in a scenario like this where there's absolutely no hard evidence of anything actually happening. The only thing they had to go off was Akira and seemingly he was emphatic with Niki that there was nothing weird going on.

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One final point is that the information we have about the whole situation is also rather fragmented, and at times contradictory. Why would Sekai choose to stay with Nozomu after what she saw? Where were Saki and Yuu? Was Nozomu Akira's guardian? I'm not really satisfied with the current known information and thus generally refrain from looking too much into it for now.
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Saki and Yuu are the ones I wanna know about at this point, it's kind of nuts we still have basically no information on them at this point. I hope when we do learn/start learning more about them it's not just dropped out of nowhere like the Nozomu revelation, glad as I was to learn more there it was a weak ass reveal imo lol

As far as Sekai choosing to stay with Nozomu I'd just say "why wouldn't she?". I've seen this sentiment a few times but I feel like the reality is she wasn't incentivised to leave at all. Christmas came early for everyone's favourite red-headed nonce and her new bf gave her a cute new toy to play with, it only makes sense to assume she'd turn it away if you assume she's a much better person than we have any reason to.
 
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daagagsdgd said:
Without anyone to help me, I grew out of it myself and really tried to be better person than them. But now I know that I don't have right to critize or feel or gloat anyone even if the opponent was a fictional character structing in hell and actively seeking for hurt of others for thousands of years. I swear I never said anything like that to anyone.
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That certainly puts things into perspective, and the language barrier is definitely a factor. For myself, I don't think you need to go so far as to apologize, or delete anything - although the explanation/apology is appreciated and corrects any possible misunderstanding we might have had. I'll be going on a ramble about the themes of LiL now:
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TheGoodPastor said:
1. I don't really think that's bad writing at all to be honest though - in fact even in my own life I've seen this situation go down much the same way.

2. As far as Sekai choosing to stay with Nozomu I'd just say "why wouldn't she?".
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Moonflare said:
"I, as a reader, got satisfaction from seeing Akira suffering great abuse in his past, and see this as an emotional release for me, the reader, after having seen him destroy a lot of lives in the narrative i'm reading"
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Personally what I find most alarming is that sentiments like these, while not the norm, are not uncommon at all. Very often when you see some niche internet micro-celebrity talk about some abuse they've been the victim of in the past, there's going to be at least one (usually many more) person bringing up some act they did or some statement they made that is deemed "cancel-able"/"woke"/insert-whatever-buzzword-you-want-man and reveling in their completely unrelated past abuses as if it's some kind of retroactive karmic justice. It's so disgustingly common, that you know now that I think about it, it really says a lot about this community that this is the first post of its kind in 2,967 pages of posts and is immediately retracted by the OP after a moment of reflection.
 
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Moonflare said:
1. Not what I meant by the quality of writing, although fair, I could have gone further into it. What I mean is that I'm not certain that all the details will make sense. If Nozomu was Akira's sole guardian would it be believable that he'd be able to behave in a way that wouldn't merit action? After all that was done to him? Wouldn't he be terrified to be going back to the same roof as him night after night? Wouldn't the Nakayamas be able to detect it? And if he wasn't living with Nozomu by that point, was he living by himself? Also something the Nakayamas should have taken notice of.
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Fair enough, I misunderstood you a little bit there so that's fair.

My main rub here is although I'd like these questions answered I don't think the answers really change anything. Niki's parents are non-entities in the story and whether Sekai was a mean child rapist or a nice child rapist doesn't really change much outside the scope of how I view her character, and even that wouldn't really change much.

Unless Sel decides to get really wild on us and the next big twist is that Sekai didn't rape Akira at all and Fleitwro the God of Crabs and False Memories is fucking with him for kicks or some shit lol
 
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Bingoogus said:
To go further with that... wtf do they even add? Like, this isn't some ARG, if a clue to anything was ever present in them who'd know wtf it would even be and would go with? It's just pretentious nonsense for his sycophants to wank off to...
It'S AlL ConNeCtEd!11#!1
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Its for Sel's next innovative VN "The Upside- Down House." The kicker is the only lore that exists for the game is borderline schizo-tweets. And at the end of it, you find out that there is no Upside-down house but Shiori, Kyoko and co. are stuck inside a Twitter account for all eternity(a fate worse than death). Releasing in 2040 something.
 
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