Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.10.7 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[tehlemon]

The only two legitimate projects for Inno to be working on at this stage are continuing the main quest and updating/tweaking/outright-goddamn-replacing the engine so that the main quest even can be continued.

Literally anything else is shit.

Any distraction from a stated goal is an intrinsic bad. Progressive distractions from that goal become worse and worse. One obstacle to a goal is bad. A second is, by definition, worse.

The Nyan romance was shit, due it it taking time away from making the game that Inno claims to want to make.

This romance will be even shitter, as it takes additional time away from making the game that Inno claims to want to make.

The next romance will be even more shit, as it will take even more time away from making the game that Inno claims to want to make.

I literally could not care less about the "quality" of any side projects at this stage. Inno could raise Shakespeare from the grave, get him to write the next pointless NPC "romance" and I'd still call it shit.

Inno. It's time to make your game now.

Honestly, I agree. And for like, a dozen different reasons.

The biggest one is progression. LT has approached progression as a thing that'll just sort itself out later or something. Which isn't how game design works.

If we had all of the major zones in the game, romance quests could be designed to progress with the player. Rather than having all these quests just circling the same two blocks they could drive progress forward a bit. It'd also make the time locking make more sense. Like, okay, you have to wait a week in game. But during that time, rather than just fast forwarding, you should be progressing the main story so that you're into the next area that should be relevant. If you want Nyan's quest to take 5 in game weeks, have that quest involve areas that the players would be advancing through.

If you do this kind of thing a lot, you create a world that the player actually need to like, give a shit about. Rather than just power leveling through a zone and then never going back to it, you've created reasons why the player should visit areas multiple times.

Plus it just gives you more plot potential. We don't need more quests that just run us in circles. We don't need another quest sharing the exact same warehouse location. It would have been so easy to just put Kay, the most forgettable forcing of a specific kink into the game, in a different area. And I can think of a dozen plot ideas that work with Nyan's general direction that could use other locations.

 

[ryanwraith]

Damn, ya'll are hella toxic to Inno. Just let her make the game how she wants to make it. God damn.

 

[The Infamous Panty Bandit]

Is there a v0.4.2.5 download anywhere? I used search and only found people complaining about how it's not out yet from back in december and further back. OP shows the version as v0.4.2.5, but all the x64 downloads are still v0.4.2.3.

 

[Quintilus]

Damn, ya'll are hella toxic to Inno. Just let her make the game how she wants to make it. God damn.

NO!!!!!

I even able to go further here.
I will drive to UK, find Inno there, will get married on her and on our first wedding night I will bow down to her ear, slightly bite it and murmur "when is the next actual update for Lilith Throne, Inno???".

 

[Quintilus]

Is there a v0.4.2.5 download anywhere? I used search and only found people complaining about how it's not out yet from back in december and further back. OP shows the version as v0.4.2.5, but all the x64 downloads are still v0.4.2.3.

Thats update for a java version (one than named jar). Install JSDK to be able to launch it. Search in thread what exactly you should install.

 

[tehlemon]

Damn, ya'll are hella toxic to Inno. Just let her make the game how she wants to make it. God damn.

Yeah! No one is allowed to ever critisize a product that someone selling! Lick the boots!

I'm sure when she hate reads this thread like we know she does, she'll see your post an appreciate it.

 

[ryanwraith]

Lmao what are you talking about the game is free, dude?

 

[mastersfx]

this is the world's longest joke because we've been waiting for the punchline for years and we still haven't gotten it yet. i wonder what the next excuse will be? "My dog's cat's owner's wife's niece's nephew's rat died, sorry for the delay", or perhaps "Sorry guys, my fiftieth uncle eighty-four times removed who lives halfway around the world, and of whom i have never met before, suddenly showed up for a family roast dinner and i had to waste about four months talking to him! crazy right?"

if Inno's gonna lie, would it kill her to make the lies funny? hilarious, even?

Nah but honestly is someone paying you to regularly shit talk this game and developer? Because if you don't like it you can move on to other games xd?

 

[DietrichGRU]

The only two legitimate projects for Inno to be working on at this stage are continuing the main quest and updating/tweaking/outright-goddamn-replacing the engine so that the main quest even can be continued.

Literally anything else is shit.

Any distraction from a stated goal is an intrinsic bad. Progressive distractions from that goal become worse and worse. One obstacle to a goal is bad. A second is, by definition, worse.

The Nyan romance was shit, due it it taking time away from making the game that Inno claims to want to make.

This romance will be even shitter, as it takes additional time away from making the game that Inno claims to want to make.

The next romance will be even more shit, as it will take even more time away from making the game that Inno claims to want to make.

I literally could not care less about the "quality" of any side projects at this stage. Inno could raise Shakespeare from the grave, get him to write the next pointless NPC "romance" and I'd still call it shit.

Inno. It's time to make your game now.

Arguably, the legitimate project should start with finally hiring some help. At least as a part-time gig. A thing which has been expressed by some people since 2018 at least. Back then Inno refused, appealing to the case of Breeding Season crashing n' burning due to team disagreements. And ignoring Fenoxo's case where Trials worked out alright as a team project without excessive drama. Considering that LT pretty much started from Fenoxo's forums as a heavily inspired fan project, that reasoning looked... not thought out much?
With more hands on deck widening production bottleneck, those side projects would likely be just something extra on top of regular progress. Thus, reducing the need to choose between main plot and side/audience requested content, while having some wretched soul locked in the basement trying to unyiff the code at the same time.

Honestly, I agree. And for like, a dozen different reasons.

The biggest one is progression. LT has approached progression as a thing that'll just sort itself out later or something. Which isn't how game design works.

If we had all of the major zones in the game, romance quests could be designed to progress with the player. Rather than having all these quests just circling the same two blocks they could drive progress forward a bit. It'd also make the time locking make more sense. Like, okay, you have to wait a week in game. But during that time, rather than just fast forwarding, you should be progressing the main story so that you're into the next area that should be relevant. If you want Nyan's quest to take 5 in game weeks, have that quest involve areas that the players would be advancing through.

If you do this kind of thing a lot, you create a world that the player actually need to like, give a shit about. Rather than just power leveling through a zone and then never going back to it, you've created reasons why the player should visit areas multiple times.

Plus it just gives you more plot potential. We don't need more quests that just run us in circles. We don't need another quest sharing the exact same warehouse location. It would have been so easy to just put Kay, the most forgettable forcing of a specific kink into the game, in a different area. And I can think of a dozen plot ideas that work with Nyan's general direction that could use other locations.

Development speed aside, quests of current type are done once and that's it. Player is condemned to exist in a cursed empty world without even severing the thread of fate.
Correct me if I'm horribly wrong, but replayability of this project is based (from what I've seen) on customization and slavery management mechanics working together, e.g. making the perfect harem of creatures with very specific appearances, inclinations etc. and messing around with them. Main/side quests don't really contribute to that. At the same time, tf has been slowly bloated with cosmetics and slavery/guest stuff barely progressed anywhere since it's implementation.
Maybe some repeatable quests, like the bounty board, and slave/guest/property management would add more? At least give consistent reasons to go places and do something regardless of main/side quests' state of completion.

Btw, genuinely curious, how the game that Inno claims to make looks like? At least, in general terms. Cause me having a suspicion that it's perception could vary greatly after all those years of unfocused development.

 

[ebonheart2319]

Lmao what are you talking about the game is free, dude?

A long while back, Inno was super proud to announce she had quit her 9-5 and would live off the Game's Paid Subs.

Since that point, Inno has cut all communication with critics, stol...-ahem- accepted modder code, and continually makes excuses as to why she cannot keep even the most basic of deadlines. Last I heard she still makes about 15K a month for about a weekend worth of coding.

Given asking about progress reports is bannable in her Discord, this is where the Jaded Former Subs inevitably end up.

 

[OffPathGames]

Hey guys, is there a relatively complete wiki for this game. I'm trying to find what terms mean in the game like the "Derived Fetish" section and just the stat basics, what rough vs gentle pace means, etc.. Googling isn't helping much, so is there somewhere to find info?

 

[BaloneyAmone]

Hey guys, is there a relatively complete wiki for this game. I'm trying to find what terms mean in the game like the "Derived Fetish" section and just the stat basics, what rough vs gentle pace means, etc.. Googling isn't helping much, so is there somewhere to find info?

"Derived fetishes" are fetishes gained for having a combination of fetishes; for example, having both Sadist and Masochist fetishes will unlock the Sadomasochist fetish, which gives you an additional buff without having to spend essence for it.
As for the paces, from what I know, they control the dialogue and descriptor text for actions committed by dominant individuals of the encounter. In terms of actual mechanical differences, characters that dislike/hate Sadism and Masochism will object to the Rough pace (likely the opposite holds true with characters that like those fetishes with the Gentle pace), and there's probably some effects on arousal gain and what-not.

 

[BBGunna]

Did someone link to this thread on Inno's discord or something? What's with all the butthurt Inno stans coming out of the woodork? This thread is the way it is because of Inno's repeated lack of progress, lack of focus on the main story and constant delays that are so scripted we were all literally predicted them a few days ago and we once again right on the money.

I know it’s hard for you imbeciles to comprehend that harassing someone at every opportunity will have repercussions given you spend all your time on her whining like a bunch of little entitled children. But damn, at least try.

"Harrasment" lmao, expecting consistent updates and improvements for someone who's been doing this for years is harassment now. Inno doesn't need this thread coddling them, she's raking in like 15K a month and has a whole discord eating it up when she goes literal months without substantial updates and feeds the same tired "Personal reasons/illness/family" excuses on repeat. Look if you like the game that's fine, if you're completely happy with the progress and trust Inno's process and are happy giving money then power to ya.

But don't act surprised that there's a lot of skepticism and criticism, plenty of us were excited about this game, lots of us (including myself) gave her the benefit of the doubt. After a while you gotta call a spade a spade, keep riding the copium train if that makes you feel better, but don't act like people aren't allowed to criticize or that "iT's fREe gUYs!" is any excuse when this is supposed to be her full time job and so many devs working with so much less have produced so much more.

 

[throwawaynames]

Hey guys, is there a relatively complete wiki for this game. I'm trying to find what terms mean in the game like the "Derived Fetish" section and just the stat basics, what rough vs gentle pace means, etc.. Googling isn't helping much, so is there somewhere to find info?

I'm sure you've already been here, but just in case you havent, there's a wikia of sorts that goes into the game and its mechanics:

You must be registered to see the links

 

[IvoryOwl]

Looking at her Sub.Star page:

1$ - 74 subs
5$ - 885 subs
10$ - 259 subs

74 x 1= 74$
885 x 5= 4425$
259 x 10 = 2590$
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Total: 7089$

7k is how much she earns a month to treat this game as her full-time job, as per her own words written under the 2.5k goal mark. However, it's not so much the amount of hours you put into it that matter, it's consistency and quality. There's only so much a person can do while working solo on a project meant for a team.

That being said, working solo was (and still is) her choice. Continuously making promises and deadlines she knows she cannot keep, which leads to general disappointment and skepticism, is her choice. Ignoring and silencing the criticism that has piled up over the years, due to bad decisions, was and still is her choice. Amateurish and lackadaisical attitude towards development (procrastination, adding things as spur of the moment, lack of proper planning and priorities) are her choice.

This game has been in development since 2016 and it is what kickstarted her "career" as a developer and coder. Many mistakes were made that affected the foundation of the game. Some were rectified, some still persist. Due to a combination of factors, the code that supports the game is spiraling out of control and becoming unmanageable, which means development is becoming increasingly difficult. Each year we see less and less progress whereas her "personal breaks or mini-vacations" keep getting longer and more frequent. The future of Lilith's Throne is uncertain.

Many people have come and gone and despite differences in taste, many share a similar story; they start hopeful, engaged and in some cases even protective of the game and its developer. But as time progresses they start to see things for what they are - lack of actual progress, the same repeated mistakes, criticism falling on deaf ears. Lilith's Throne manages to stand only because it has no direct competition. A load of potential in the wrong hands, waiting for one day to be saved by the community (once we get more modding templates).

This is what we have now. People are here not so much for the game anymore but for the community. Development (or the lack of thereof) has become a meme at this point and you know how it is with memes...

 

[Tattletale21]

Nah but honestly is someone paying you to regularly shit talk this game and developer? Because if you don't like it you can move on to other games xd?

is someone paying you to suck Inno's nonexistent dick, or do you just enjoy bowing down and kissing the asses of people with more talent than yourself?

and considering we're talking about Inno, that means something.

Look, i get you wanna white knight her, or defend her honour, or some other fourteenth century belongs-in-a-neckbeard's-basement thing, but honestly? we're roasting Inno because at this point she's done sweet fuck-all with a game she's been hemming and hawing at for the past four+ years, and she's being paid for it too - on Patreon, at least, and i'm pretty sure she still gets private donations and shit - but that's not the point. the point is Inno has had four years to get this game moving in a direction that isn't rock bottom, and instead wastes time adding fetishes no one cares for, extra furry transformations even hardcore furries dont care for, and the most work put in this game since we begin to leave Ellis is Nyan's fucking dating sidequest, it's understandable just why we roast her.

get off your high horse, you're no better than us.

pay attention to the game from, say, three years ago - aside form some minor changes we oculd really have done without, the game is almost exactly the same, aside from some QOL changes.

three years. no meaningful progress. that's why we roast her.

 

[The Infamous Panty Bandit]

I'm gonna unwatch this thread now. You all make it really hard for anyone new to want to give the game a try with how much bitching you all are doing. Criticizing the game and the dev is one thing, but you all are beating a dead horse by this point. If it's so hard to relay your thoughts to the dev, then make your thoughts known with your wallet. Stop subbing to their SS or Patreon or whatever avenue she uses, keep an eye here for any significant updates and/or move onto something else. I get being upset, especially after spending money on subbing. I also understand it scales with how long you might have subbed, but at some point, it becomes an unhealthy obsession no longer trying to motivating the dev, and actively begins to poison the game's development. Then it goes full circle and the cycle doesn't end. It just gets toxic and will undoubtedly lead to the game being abandoned. Don't turn it into a complex.

 

[IvoryOwl]

Is there a v0.4.2.5 download anywhere? I used search and only found people complaining about how it's not out yet from back in december and further back. OP shows the version as v0.4.2.5, but all the x64 downloads are still v0.4.2.3.

Let me quote my old post for you.

Unless you're a Subscriber, preview builds have be compiled manually and that can be a bit of a pain. Since no one else was willing, I decided to do it myself and share it here, however, the program I used (Eclipse) produces a .jar file and I have no idea how to convert it to an .exe so that's why only that one is up-to-date.

Part of me is a little concerned as usually we would get the files shortly after an update. It's almost as if the interest in this game is dying out to the point people are no longer interested in either sharing or compiling the game anymore... her sub numbers are still going strong so it's probably people (who use F95) getting wiser and moving on or only checking this sporadically.

I can't blame them... this game takes a long ass time to get any meaningful or sizeable content out.

Since nothing changed, it's fair to say you'll have to wait for the next public update if you want the x64 version.

 

[BeholdTheWizzard]

Nah but honestly is someone paying you to regularly shit talk this game and developer? Because if you don't like it you can move on to other games xd?

I dunno about him, but at this point shit talking Inno is the only fun this game actually provides.
Also he/she/it deserves it. Crappy organization and prioritization.

Alas, Inno has a horde of defenders that make it so any critisism on the discord/forums is burried/deleted

 

[dunklunktunk]

Honestly, watching this thread and checking over what y'all are saying myself, I must admit the knob slobbering of some of you defenders of LT is incredible and makes me wish to change my sexuality to achieve such cock throating talent.

You guys can join the update watching and see if any of Inno's detractors are wrong if you want, they've been here longer than me and probably know what they're talking about. Watching from an outside perspective, even I can tell that her update speed is incredibly S L O W. Especially for one person with a community of talented enough fans who can probably ant hill together some better code over the course of a shorter time period than her usual average. It's not like she can't get help.