Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.10.7 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[fudejoranek]

I heard Inno tried switching the game to Java 17 only to revert to Java 8. How true is this?

Inno never bothered switching to Java 17, only adding an implementation that someone else provided. Then she "fixed" it by making Java 8 the default and leaving the Java 17 support from the implementation. However, this did not work, so now it is Java 8 only again, but with the added insult to injury that the build process is a mess now, and you can no longer locally pull that original Java 17 implementation to run it on the local machine.

I am hoping that the contributors can figure out the build process so that Java 8 and Java 17 can exist together, because Inno will probably never move on from 8. I've seen some improvement on the pull requests already, so hopefully it will get solved soon.

 

[Draupnir7]

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[tehlemon]

Thanks, but I definitely wouldn't call myself an expert on Java, haha.

Still wayyyyy more so than me lol

I've somehow completely avoided every using Java. I've played with every other popular language from the last 30 years, a bunch that definitely are not popular, some that only exist as jokes (as a guitarist, the rockstar programming language is still my favorite functional joke language), but I've still *never* used Java lol

I can't think of the term all the sudden, but I used to love those programming projects where you build a program that produces its own source code. And I'd try and create them for every weird language I could find.

Ninja edit: And my ADHD ass brain just remember, there's a great youtube video about people working on those projects. I remember one dude made a fully working one that would rotate through like 50 languages before ultimately coming back to the first in a perfect loop. That shits so fucking cool, and makes me feel so fucking stupid.

I missed this. So i can add some input here.
The major problem with translating this game with an automated tool is that the text being translated isn't stored as data but with the code as string literals. You might be able to edit the string literals but this might also cause the application to crash for not logical reason.

That said..... the source code is provided. In theory, you could just translate the source code. You just have to find string literals and translate them. This is something that can be automated. Someone will likely have to make the tool but it's average humanly possible if not time consuming.

Instead of trying to translate the game source like a sane person, you'd almost have to translate it on the fly. You could probably write a mod that'd hijack the game's output, but fuck that would suck. Which is probably why that guy wanted a browser version instead, since there's already extensions that'll take care of this for you.

I heard Inno tried switching the game to Java 17 only to revert to Java 8. How true is this?

That sounds like something that would require work, so the only way that ever happened is if Inno was trying to avoid writing content.

 

[sojocal]

I can't think of the term all the sudden, but I used to love those programming projects where you build a program that produces its own source code. And I'd try and create them for every weird language I could find.

Ninja edit: And my ADHD ass brain just remember, there's a great youtube video about people working on those projects. I remember one dude made a fully working one that would rotate through like 50 languages before ultimately coming back to the first in a perfect loop. That shits so fucking cool, and makes me feel so fucking stupid.

I know what Youtube videos you've been watching.
It's the conference talk with the dude that made the Rockstar programming language.

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I think he gives that specific subset of programs a name in this video, but i don't know where.

 

[Exiua]

I can't think of the term all the sudden, but I used to love those programming projects where you build a program that produces its own source code. And I'd try and create them for every weird language I could find.

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[tehlemon]

I know what Youtube videos you've been watching.
It's the conference talk with the dude that made the Rockstar programming language.

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I think he gives that specific subset of programs a name in this video, but i don't know where.

Damn, I should have guessed that. That's undoubtedly the reason I thought of it lol

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Yes! That's the one!

It's super easy to do with most normal languages once you figure out the tricks, but once you get into the languages that have completely wackjob syntax it gets super complicated. It's a great project for anyone who's learning to program and wants something goofy to try.

I was looking at my old git going through the various quines I attempted. The one I never finished because it was, honestly, just to fucking hard was using Piet. That's that goofy language that you code using images where the changes in color determine what happens. I spent like 50 hours trying to make it work and never did.

 

[jfmherokiller]

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man Piet is a fun language I think I still have the c to Piet compiler somewhere.

 

[EvolutionKills]

I am not sure if you do this or not already, but play with Enchantment Limits enabled.
It restricts how much defense, damage, spell efficiency, and stats you can stack up on your character, without penalties. Plus, you end up using some of those precious Perk points (in the beginning), boosting your enchant limit, instead of just going straight for 'the good' perks.

Of course. That option was on by default, and I never thought to change it. Also, I'm rarely at the capacity cap, cause I have a weird OCD issue about having numbers end in 5 or 0, so that my bonuses are easier to track and look cleaner in the stats (e.g. most of my bonuses are multiples of ten).

So far did get far enough to go full bore Demon, and combined with the Aristocrat background and the Arcane elemental, even with 100 Corruption I still manage 16 Lust Shielding. So, that's fun. Decked out in the full traditional Japanese garb set you can buy from the Reindeer-morphs, and combined with a paired Katana/Wakizashi, has given me both the Ronin and Daisho set bonuses (+10 Physique, +15% Physical & Weapon damage). Enchanted all of the clothing to be better and just cap their existing bonuses at 5 or 10. Ditto for a complete set of sarashi bands across the torso and arms, but enchanted for Physical Shielding instead. So I'm sitting at Lv31 with 76 Physique, 71 Arcane, +64% Weapons / +73% Physical Damage, 46 Physical Shielding, and only 63/91 enchantment capacity. I'm not min-maxing (e.g. Elemental is set to Arcane, not Earth), but nothing can really challenge me either. Getting the Doomguy unique perk by taking on all 30 Imp's in Meraxis' tower was no trouble at all.

 

[Wolfdragon20]

anyone know if there's any instrument weapon mods? need it for a character to be complete. also does anyone know if the breeder mod comes with a tf item? because i can't find one of there is

 

[GammaXai]

anyone know if there's any instrument weapon mods? need it for a character to be complete. also does anyone know if the breeder mod comes with a tf item? because i can't find one of there is

Looking at discord the breeder race should have a TF item and logically it is probably sold at Ralph's but I don't have that mod to check myself.

I didn't get any meaningful results looking for instrument in mod sharing or mod discussion.

 

[khalinki]

hey everyone,
I haven't been following this game for like 2 years now i just stumbled upon it again. Can someone catch me up to speed? Checked out inno's blogspot to see that 0.4 finally came out, but does innoxia still do her usual thing of mod-feature-creep development hell laced with bullshit sauce? Does your unjustified toxic evaluation of her precious hard work still cause virtual earthquakes 0.6 magnitude on the ICSTOR scale? And finally, is the game on the trajectory to be finished within this decade?

 

[ebonheart2319]

hey everyone...

2 years? Thats about 15 extra main story minutes.
A Catgirl Mogul demanding we play a Cuckquiz game.
Orange Trump Dicks.
30 "new" races.
An Nerfed Economy that made owning slaves a net loss.
A single unfinished 3rd town with minimal functionality.
95% of the added content being literal mods Inno slapped her stamp on so she could get paid.

Unfortunately, She got a headache and refused to finish her Halloween and Christmas commissions.

So you basically missed nothing.

 

[GammaXai]

hey everyone,
I haven't been following this game for like 2 years now i just stumbled upon it again. Can someone catch me up to speed? Checked out inno's blogspot to see that 0.4 finally came out, but does innoxia still do her usual thing of mod-feature-creep development hell laced with bullshit sauce? Does your unjustified toxic evaluation of her precious hard work still cause virtual earthquakes 0.6 magnitude on the ICSTOR scale? And finally, is the game on the trajectory to be finished within this decade?

The mod support improved from clothing, weapons, and tattoos to a number of other categories but I think that ewould be falling under mod-feature-creep where Inno hopes that good things will show up and can get folded in to pad out releases.

 

[NODOGAN]

I'm not seeing the need for magic, when I can do this with a basic pair of knuckle dusters and enchantment limits ENABLED (using 25 points). Meraxis and Lunexis took 1 round of combat to beat, with no magic required. The only fights I have had that lasted more than 1 round of combat were the imp gangs and succutars in the amazon city, and those took 2 rounds.
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The single healing spell in the game is a joke, it heals you for 40% of your health and consumes all 3 action points for your character. Also, if you are using 'shit tons' of potions to heal, you are doing it wrong. Enchant an Imp Brew 2x with major enhancement and you heal for 100% health and Mana AND you still have 2 actions left after that.

Magic is still very useful and can skew melee combat even more, but it isn't NEEDED to be able to beat the game.

All you're missing is an Earth Elemental servant and your day is completed!

For real tho ONLY spells I ever use are the Earth Elemental (which you can just cast ONCE in the entire game and have your personal servant follow you around, permanently increasing your physique and force damage by it's mere presence ontop of being able to grab a zwei and hit like a truck in battles for you)
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Teleport cuz sometimes you just wanna get to places NOW! But yeah with an Earth Elemental, Alicorn TF and Tattoo Enhanced for critical damage once your force & melee damage are 100 you're doing AT LEAST 700 damage with each action, it's crazy (and as I said, nothing's keeping ya from making the Earth Elemental a crazy zealot with a sword, who needs AoE when you have an NPC that buffs you & kills stuff for you?¡ XD)

 

[whitefalcon87]

Can't get it to run on linux mint 20. Is there a web version of it somewhere?

 

[CaptainBipto]

All you're missing is an Earth Elemental servant and your day is completed!

For real tho ONLY spells I ever use are the Earth Elemental (which you can just cast ONCE in the entire game and have your personal servant follow you around, permanently increasing your physique and force damage by it's mere presence ontop of being able to grab a zwei and hit like a truck in battles for you)
And
Teleport cuz sometimes you just wanna get to places NOW! But yeah with an Earth Elemental, Alicorn TF and Tattoo Enhanced for critical damage once your force & melee damage are 100 you're doing AT LEAST 700 damage with each action, it's crazy (and as I said, nothing's keeping ya from making the Earth Elemental a crazy zealot with a sword, who needs AoE when you have an NPC that buffs you & kills stuff for you?¡ XD)

I am right there with ya, bro. That character isn't even remotely min/maxed and I just mow through mobs.
I have an earth elemental on that character, just didn't summon it for that pic I posted. That post was in response to someone else that declared that you NEEDED magic to win in the game, so that pic was without the earth elemental.

If you think the Alicorn TF is potent, you should try the Gryphon or Dragon TF, they are broken as fuck. +55phys and +25 Arcane for the Gryphon and +65 phys and +45 Arcane for the Dragon.
The elementals make great meat shields as well. Since enemies mostly focus the elemental first, you not only get a 'free' first round of combat, your elemental auto heals, pretty much, to full after each fight as long as they lived through the fight.

 

[NODOGAN]

I am right there with ya, bro. That character isn't even remotely min/maxed and I just mow through mobs.
I have an earth elemental on that character, just didn't summon it for that pic I posted. That post was in response to someone else that declared that you NEEDED magic to win in the game, so that pic was without the earth elemental.

If you think the Alicorn TF is potent, you should try the Gryphon or Dragon TF, they are broken as fuck. +55phys and +25 Arcane for the Gryphon and +65 phys and +45 Arcane for the Dragon.
The elementals make great meat shields as well. Since enemies mostly focus the elemental first, you not only get a 'free' first round of combat, your elemental auto heals, pretty much, to full after each fight as long as they lived through the fight.

Speaking of minmaxing I gotta ask, is there any real benefit to increasing Physique beyond more HP? when the Earth Elemental, TF & Perks get my Force & Melee damage to 100 I tend to focus on just upping my crit damage rather than Physique cuz I like big numbers after swinging my zwei 3 times in a row lol.

 

[jfmherokiller]

Can't get it to run on linux mint 20. Is there a web version of it somewhere?

sorry but no you must have java 8 installed to get the game to run. I think there is a guide on this further back in the thread

 

[CaptainBipto]

Speaking of minmaxing I gotta ask, is there any real benefit to increasing Physique beyond more HP? when the Earth Elemental, TF & Perks get my Force & Melee damage to 100 I tend to focus on just upping my crit damage rather than Physique cuz I like big numbers after swinging my zwei 3 times in a row lol.

Short answer: Physique will boost your physical damage, crit damage, and base unarmed damage. Higher physique benefits unarmed weapons (dusters and demon stones) more than swords or other melee weapons, due to increasing your base unarmed damage.

Longer answer: A funny thing happened on the way to answering your question. I seem to have discovered a bug in the game, not sure if it is known or not though. So, take a look at the pic below:

With 91 Phys, my damage is actually lower than my damage at 83 Phys. After eyeballing my stats between the two ratings, I noticed that at 91 Phys, the bonus physical damage and crit power are NOT applied to my character (base unarmed damage is registered correctly). But at 83 the physical and crit bonus stats ARE applied.
Edit: 100 Phys applies stats correctly, but 90-99 doesn't. Not a game breaking thing, but weird.

High physique is good for unarmed weapons, Dusters and Demon Stones, because you base unarmed damage is 20% of your Physique stat, so not only do you gain more Physical damage and Crit power, you also increase your BASE damage (before modifiers).
Normal melee weapons gain the benefits of Physical damage and Crit power boosts, from Physique, but their base damage is not affected by Physique (as far as I am aware), and the difference between 70 Phys and 90 Phys, isn't that great of a boost, so having a really high Phys with a melee weapon (swords, knives, maces) isn't as useful as it it for unarmed weapons.

 

[NODOGAN]

Short answer: Physique will boost your physical damage, crit damage, and base unarmed damage. Higher physique benefits unarmed weapons (dusters and demon stones) more than swords or other melee weapons, due to increasing your base unarmed damage.

Longer answer: A funny thing happened on the way to answering your question. I seem to have discovered a bug in the game, not sure if it is known or not though. So, take a look at the pic below:
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With 91 Phys, my damage is actually lower than my damage at 83 Phys. After eyeballing my stats between the two ratings, I noticed that at 91 Phys, the bonus physical damage and crit power are NOT applied to my character (base unarmed damage is registered correctly). But at 83 the physical and crit bonus stats ARE applied.
Edit: 100 Phys applies stats correctly, but 90-99 doesn't. Not a game breaking thing, but weird.

High physique is good for unarmed weapons, Dusters and Demon Stones, because you base unarmed damage is 20% of your Physique stat, so not only do you gain more Physical damage and Crit power, you also increase your BASE damage (before modifiers).
Normal melee weapons gain the benefits of Physical damage and Crit power boosts, from Physique, but their base damage is not affected by Physique (as far as I am aware), and the difference between 70 Phys and 90 Phys, isn't that great of a boost, so having a really high Phys with a melee weapon (swords, knives, maces) isn't as useful as it it for unarmed weapons.

Thanks for the detailed reply! that's actually quite the funny bug, also explains why I never saw any real improvement over Physique beyond more HP, I tend to go Zwei for my char & the Earth Elemental since I like to one-shot things in the first turn lol.