Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.11.3 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[Arkus86]

Can't she just bring on writers for the project?

Technically, she could. But she does not want to share the cake with anyone. From what I hear and see, most would-be contributors have to wait for up to several years for their contribution to be even considered, and even then it's mostly minor fixes.

A while back there actually was an initiative on her discord (and not even from Inno herself) to get writing contributions, but even that outright stated even if your proposal gets pre-approved and you do all the work to get it implemented, it can take "two or more years" before it gets merged in, with no guarantee it ever will.

 

[BaloneyAmone]

A rare direct Innoxia response to hostile critique, and a curious claim. Thoughts?

 

[XEmemes2234]

Highly unlikely.
why would the analytics count people who aren't paying and as a result, be removed from billing?

 

[sgb3]

A rare direct Innoxia response to hostile critique, and a curious claim. Thoughts?

That's beyond Inno's usual excuses and stalling, into outright lying bullshit. It would be one thing if it was just a number without a tier count, but it's listing the exact number of people at each tier. It wouldn't do that if they cancelled their sub ages ago.

Doesn't matter, she'll add a santa hat onto a couple NPCs in December and her subs will lock in for another year.

 

[Dman1791]

Devil's advocate: Do SubscribeStar's tiers show the amount paid ($5 tier costs $5, creator gets, say, $4) or the amount the creator receives ($5 tier costs $7 or whatever, creator gets $5)? If it's the latter, Inno's almost certainly lying, but if it's the former then she's getting a fair bit less than a straight multiplication shows.

Either way it's a lot of money to be sitting on your ass barely doing anything, but she might not be lying in this particular case.

 

[Arkus86]

A rare direct Innoxia response to hostile critique, and a curious claim. Thoughts?

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To be fair, I assume the amount shown is before SubscribeStar takes its cut and before taxes.
But regardless, considering the base amount is still well above the average salary in UK where I believe she lives, it is no excuse.
Edit: It's also more than double of what Inno herself declared - and indeed still claims on the same page - would allow her "financial security", so...

 

[MeowAF]

Does Lilith Throne got android version?

 

[cumflationslut101]

Does Lilith Throne got android version?

nope

 

[Arkus86]

Does Lilith Throne got android version?

How much do you want to fry your phone?

 

[Elicusneh]

Technically, she could. But she does not want to share the cake with anyone. From what I hear and see, most would-be contributors have to wait for up to several years for their contribution to be even considered, and even then it's mostly minor fixes.

A while back there actually was an initiative on her discord (and not even from Inno herself) to get writing contributions, but even that outright stated even if your proposal gets pre-approved and you do all the work to get it implemented, it can take "two or more years" before it gets merged in, with no guarantee it ever will.

In my opinion I think that Inno may be being truthful, making considerably less than what we're seeing- but it's not like the amount matters at this point really.

While the amount does matter as the bigger the amount the more damage it'd be dealing. But at the end of the day it isn't even an issue of the damage dealt really but that Inno is taking money and just not delivering. If we treat it as her behaviour being "actually not that bad because she isn't making as much" then we're already off the wrong foot.

If she just delivered, even if the amount of work was small it'd be fine, I think everyone would be happy and content if she was honest and said "I've added a small scene that you can find here." or "here's a few sneak-peaks for whats coming next" or even just "I'm currently planning on doing this and this is what I'm thinking of doing."

But there's no real energy or involvement, no real communication, no real understanding apart from "I'm sorry I missed the deadline, I'm going to deliver the content sooon!!!!.", The fact that no work, no sneak-peaks, no communication apart from setting a deadline and missing it. After it happens on the dozenth time most people go from "Inno is struggling to get work done" to just "Inno is lazy as fuck" and I can't say I blame them.

EDIT - Sorry I quoted you wrong on accident. lol

 

[Lui Tomo]

I'm just shocked nobody has made a game similar to this with this level of quality (or even more, honestly, since that bar is very low). If they did, Inno's income doing nothing shows they'd make head over heels in money. It's not exactly the most complex of ideas either. She's already laid the groundwork for the systems (even if combat is abysmal). It's mostly just writing.

 

[Draupnir7]

I'm just shocked nobody has made a game similar to this with this level of quality (or even more, honestly, since that bar is very low). If they did, Inno's income doing nothing shows they'd make head over heels in money. It's not exactly the most complex of ideas either. She's already laid the groundwork for the systems (even if combat is abysmal). It's mostly just writing.

This game and its constant delays have spawned similar projects, but they have not gotten anywhere yet. I assume this is due to the lives and jobs of the new authors getting in the way, since they still need money and at least one of those projects is free-free. Despite her utter inaction, Inno has the leg up in this race, what with seniority and being paid to genuinely sit and do nothing.

Regarding the other projects:
DarthSion98 and jamasty apparently have a joint project in the planning stages, mentioned on page 923.
Bluetooth Popcorn mentioned starting their own project on page 881. That was their last post in the thread and their profile is hidden.
ababcc mentioned starting their own project on page 785, and showed progress pics of 'Erosomnia' on 789. As far as I am aware, this is the farthest an offshoot has gotten.
Technically, I could include Airell, since they stopped in to query people on what they liked about the slavery system so they could use it in their own game 'Love and Corruption', even though it was not inspired by a lack of progress on Lilith's Throne.

Please excuse the lack of links, I am bad at them.

 

[Dman1791]

I'm just shocked nobody has made a game similar to this with this level of quality (or even more, honestly, since that bar is very low). If they did, Inno's income doing nothing shows they'd make head over heels in money. It's not exactly the most complex of ideas either. She's already laid the groundwork for the systems (even if combat is abysmal). It's mostly just writing.

The best alternative I'm aware of is Broken Dreams Correctional Center, which is much more technically impressive due to having animated 2D characters and not grinding itself to a halt with excess data. It is more scifi than urban fantasy, however, which may be either a pro or a con for you. It's much more active update-wise, at least.

 

[CaptainBipto]

A rare direct Innoxia response to hostile critique, and a curious claim. Thoughts?

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My thoughts are that they are both right.

The original poster is just using the raw numbers from Inno's subscribe star page. 111 subscribers at $1, 729 at $5, 185 at $10, gives you about $5,600 a month, which is a rather nice paycheck (Roughly 67K annual).
Inno is right as well, since Subscribe star takes some cash, payment processors take some cash, plus disbursing the funds costs money as well, and probably taxation by the government, so the final payout is a fair amount less than what the subscriptions add up to.

The creator stats section of their Subscribe Star page says they have 790 subscribers, but the different tiers adds up to 1,000-ish, so either a pile of people stopped subscribing recently or the page is just not updating correctly between the subscribers at each tier and the creator stats section.

/shrug
After taxes and withdrawal fees from Subscribe Star, Inno might only be 'taking home' 2k to 2.5k a month, which isn't horrible, but for just sitting around on your ass for months at a time, doing pretty much nothing, that is still a decent paycheck.

 

[GammaXai]

Does Lilith Throne got android version?

No. The game uses libraries that are PC only and it is badly optimized so it needs more RAM than most androids have. Also when we hacked together a setup to play on PC remotely from a phone the interface was terrible.

 

[eyvgbhunijmwk]

My thoughts are that they are both right.

The original poster is just using the raw numbers from Inno's subscribe star page. 111 subscribers at $1, 729 at $5, 185 at $10, gives you about $5,600 a month, which is a rather nice paycheck (Roughly 67K annual).
Inno is right as well, since Subscribe star takes some cash, payment processors take some cash, plus disbursing the funds costs money as well, and probably taxation by the government, so the final payout is a fair amount less than what the subscriptions add up to.

The creator stats section of their Subscribe Star page says they have 790 subscribers, but the different tiers adds up to 1,000-ish, so either a pile of people stopped subscribing recently or the page is just not updating correctly between the subscribers at each tier and the creator stats section.

/shrug
After taxes and withdrawal fees from Subscribe Star, Inno might only be 'taking home' 2k to 2.5k a month, which isn't horrible, but for just sitting around on your ass for months at a time, doing pretty much nothing, that is still a decent paycheck.

I wonder how the IRS feels about this. Guess ill file and find out sense the have a bounty out on unclaimed income

 

[Porkman]

I wonder how the IRS feels about this. Guess ill file and find out sense the have a bounty out on unclaimed income

Is Inno not british? They have an IRS equivalent though.