Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.9.9] [Innoxia]

[Sarkath]

That's odd. I've modded a race into the game before, and while i didn't check for this bug (since i didn't know it existed), i don't see how it could affect time. Adding a race into the game causes a lot of compilation errors by design. By being fault intolerant, it's hard to believe the game would compile, and effected something unrelated.

Things changed a bit since then. These days you can add in races, body parts, etc, by dropping in XML files.

If I remember correctly, the problem in Draupnir's case is that the mods they were using changed in some way, so there were a bunch of dead references to the modded body parts, etc, in the save. Whenever endTurn() would get called, it would look for those parts, not be able to find them, and throw an exception. Rather than loading sensible defaults, or alerting the user, it would just silently dump the error into the log and just fail to advance the turn.

So yeah, modding is possible without touching the source now, but don't you dare touch your mod directory and load an old save, otherwise the game will break in fun and exciting ways.

Now the game relies heavily on two things called ENUMS and SWITCH STATEMENTS. Enums are list of objects with constant values. For any C or Cpp devs, this will sound odd since i believe those languages treat Enums like primitives (numbers).

Yeah, enums in C/C++ are just glorified ints. Java enums, on the other hand, are fucking wild. Very powerful by comparison, but with great power comes great responsibility.

 

[Draupnir7]

Basically what i'm trying to say is.... How?! but given the retarded code, maybe it makes sense.

Look up the word 'otters' in this thread, my post talking about what should have been a simple race mod will be one of them. You should get a kick out of it.

 

[NODOGAN]

I honestly don't understand the aversion to 'contemporary fantasy races' when Inno already added Griffons, Dragons, Harpies, Arachne, Lamia, and she's even adding a kitsune race - that should have been added years ago but hey what's new with that?

also, i dont know what she considers the word 'contemporary' to mean, but applying that to elves, fairies, fey, etcetera is just so wrong it borders ignorance; those things have been around in human myths, legends, and stories since people first began thinking beyond themselves. Elves have been around since, in the very least, the old Norse mythos was created. Goblins have been in literally every mythos in one form or another. Fairies, pixies, fey have been around for thousands of years. what part of that is 'contemporary'?

knowing Inno, the actually interesting things have been pushed back for [Insert Pointless Sexual Activity] and would get pushed back even more when she 'needs a break because she's so stressed' or something.

This, if anything only "contemporary" fantasy races I can think of are Hobbits and Orcs (AFAIK they were both created by Tolkien)

 

[Draupnir7]

This, if anything only "contemporary" fantasy races I can think of are Hobbits and Orcs (AFAIK they were both created by Tolkien)

I guess my definition of 'contemporary' is broadened in regards to porn. Kobolds had a bit of a spike to their content not too far back, and goblins are enjoying a bit of a surge themselves. Could be what's up with the reluctance to add them. They're too 'in' right now.

 

[hahaxddd]

I guess the reason fairies havent been added yet is because theyre small which will result in them needing their own sex scenes? idk haven't played the game in a while, are there different sex positions/actions depending on the race?

 

[jfmherokiller]

So yeah, modding is possible without touching the source now, but don't you dare touch your mod directory and load an old save, otherwise the game will break in fun and exciting ways.

this sounds like a challenge to see how broken it can become.

Yeah, enums in C/C++ are just glorified ints. Java enums, on the other hand, are fucking wild. Very powerful by comparison, but with great power comes great responsibility.

kotlin also hates those enums because of thier complexity.

 

[BobCarter]

Well, I don't know about list, but here's what I was talking about when I mentioned fairies being discussed.
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I guess if fairies haven't been added in like... 5 years... then I shouldn't get my hopes up for actual support in the near future.

Likely the same deal as Imps where they'll exist, be non-playable, and only show up at the Fairy Kingdom or whatever, likely next "chapter" or whatever their calling it. So maybe in another 3-5 years.

 

[Exiua]

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[justcuriousyouknow]

I honestly don't understand the aversion to 'contemporary fantasy races' when Inno already added Griffons, Dragons, Harpies, Arachne, Lamia, and she's even adding a kitsune race - that should have been added years ago but hey what's new with that?

also, i dont know what she considers the word 'contemporary' to mean, but applying that to elves, fairies, fey, etcetera is just so wrong it borders ignorance; those things have been around in human myths, legends, and stories since people first began thinking beyond themselves. Elves have been around since, in the very least, the old Norse mythos was created. Goblins have been in literally every mythos in one form or another. Fairies, pixies, fey have been around for thousands of years. what part of that is 'contemporary'?

I also find it ironic that Inno sees them as that way, but literally have demons and imps not only in the game but as the overly powered, main species with such "importance" in the game's story (if not the reason the plot is happening in the first place). Now THOSE are overused to death, and while I get why they are used, they just lost any form of entertainment because they've almost been used in every single way at this point by other games to me. But oh no, elves, orcs, goblins, etc. are overused according to Inno.

 

[NajaNaga]

idk haven't played the game in a while, are there different sex positions/actions depending on the race?

The only monster part I've tried that I recall having anything special in sex scenes is the legless snake body type, which can constrict during other actions. It's not implemented very well though, IIRC it just makes the NPC spam the exact same one "muffled struggle" paragraph endlessly until you get bored and do something else, so they can't even cycle through dialogues.

 

[Draupnir7]

But oh no, elves, orcs, goblins, etc. are overused according to Inno.

I should say that my assumption that Inno considers kobolds/elves/what-have-you unworthy of adding because they're so common, base, or overdone is just that, an assumption. I can't think of another reason. She obviously has no issue adding more races.
And the existence of cat-folk and wolf-people, the Wonderbreads of the furry world, undermines that assumption. But that puts us right back at square one, which is the question of why. I'm just curious now.
Though if her reasoning is anything like her programming, there isn't enough LSD in the world to help me see

 

[SunlessSpear]

What she said was that Goblins/Orcs/Elves are too close to human? I think? Like the idea is that people were combined with animals when Lilith rewrote the world. Demons were there from the start, same with Angels, but in order for other humanoids to exist Lilith would have to specifically make them... and why would she make them when she doesn't like humans to start with?

So it's all lore bullshit, basically. "Because Inno doesn't want to," when you boil it down.

 

[NODOGAN]

What she said was that Goblins/Orcs/Elves are too close to human? I think? Like the idea is that people were combined with animals when Lilith rewrote the world. Demons were there from the start, same with Angels, but in order for other humanoids to exist Lilith would have to specifically make them... and why would she make them when she doesn't like humans to start with?

So it's all lore bullshit, basically. "Because Inno doesn't want to," when you boil it down.

True that, still kinda funny there's so many races yet the best ones remain being the Alicorn and Demon (if you don't use the debug menu that is, in which case Youko all the way!)

 

[final26]

True that, still kinda funny there's so many races yet the best ones remain being the Alicorn and Demon (if you don't use the debug menu that is, in which case Youko all the way!)

the dragons too feels pretty much op to be tbh

 

[sojocal]

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Honestly, it was just an Frothing mad, unhinge rant. Someone like editing a race takes way to much time to do.
If the license for Lilith's Throne wasn't so crap, i'd be willing to do it more, but i don't like the idea that my code made for the community can legally just be taken by one person, privatized, then slap me with a C&D.

Well that and the that the code doesn't play nice on Linux (I have gotten it working before), the version of Java is out of date, the HTML/JS engine is so deprecated, Oracle removed it from the API.

I got a lot of resentment for this project.
So, how much progress has been made since i've been gone?
I see we got another town and a overworld map? Anything good added?

 

[Draupnir7]

So, how much progress has been made since i've been gone?
I see we got another town and a overworld map? Anything good added?

From what I gather, mainly in this thread, all the new material is kinda meh. But we're the flipside of the official Discord, so I'd keep a few grains of salt handy. I'm waiting until the new chapter is fully complete before I update, so I have no clue personally what to expect, except for the stuff that's been asked about in this thread.

 

[sojocal]

From what I gather, mainly in this thread, all the new material is kinda meh. But we're the flipside of the official Discord, so I'd keep a few grains of salt handy. I'm waiting until the new chapter is fully complete before I update, so I have no clue personally what to expect, except for the stuff that's been asked about in this thread.

I remember on the chans, the view was really negative. I'm not seeing too much changed. I guess a bit more story content? I'll have to mess around with it later.


Lightning round

Things changed a bit since then. These days you can add in races, body parts, etc, by dropping in XML files.

Good to hear we've moved to data driven races.

Look up the word 'otters' in this thread, my post talking about what should have been a simple race mod will be one of them. You should get a kick out of it.

Oh no!

This, if anything only "contemporary" fantasy races I can think of are Hobbits and Orcs (AFAIK they were both created by Tolkien)

Fairly sure Orcs are public domain. Orcs being the opposite of Elves in folklore before even Tolkien got his hands on them.

I should say that my assumption that Inno considers kobolds/elves/what-have-you unworthy of adding because they're so common, base, or overdone is just that, an assumption. I can't think of another reason.

Unironically, furry content is the most plentiful in these types of games.
Which is strange since they're all suppose to be demon heavy games.
I guess this is just proof that Demon's are more wholesum than furries.

 

[Sarkath]

Good to hear we've moved to data driven races.

"Moved to?" Heh, you'd think so, wouldn't you?

Nah, all the old races are still hardcoded. You'd think someone would have moved all of them over to XML, but lol nope.

 

[Roseys]

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Ah, didn't realize the save editor was yours! As far as I know, the remove offspring button doesn't seem to be working for me unless it does something in another way? Ie - I figure get rid of the offspring you haven't encountered yet like wiping them out completely or does it do something else. Either way, appreciate the save editor!

 

[Cyril Kain]

Heads up: the latest Java update makes Lilith's Throne almost completely unplayable. (can't change between action button pages, can't access any menus, popups remain on the whole time, etc) Someone at Java needs to be fired for this monumental screw up, since it probably extends to other games of this type.