RPGM Lisa [v2.90b] [PaleGrass]

[PaleGrass]

Is the cuckholdery in the cheating route or in the sharing route? I think I want danny completely not knowing what lisa is doing

It's only available for those already on the Sharing / Hotwifing route

I'd steer clear of both if you don't want Danny involved sexually as he's involved a lot in those routes ^_^

PaleGrass I must say I like your game very much. I like the Paul forced Storyline and I hope the get more content with this little brat George. Is something planned in this way? Or is there a possibility for a new Job line, where Lisa will be a babysitter for another brat?
The Old Neighbor needs also a bit help from Lisa.

Hi HappyNuts! (Nice name xd)

George and Mick (the old guy at the bus stop) were added as placeholders for potential content later though George's content would only be added as a sort of DLC. Both are uncertain as of right now

George is less of a brat than it's perhaps eluded (is this the right term? xD) to so far, he's just young and a bit excitable where Mick's content is another particularly depressing story. What's new, eh? ^_^

Yo PaleGrass ,

a quick question/suggestion and to the rest of the people in the forum,i been having second thoughts on the game regarding the female POV in sexual situations or so!i dont know how many people can resonate with this ,if it does hope we would have a valid point to be noted!

i know that the sex scenes are great and well crafted ,but i feel that there is a lack of female touch in it IMO,i know palegrass is really good in building up the scenes and the foreplay stuffs,but i do feel there is a more emphasis on male POV RELATED SEX STUFFS/dialogues focused on female beauty ...but i feel there is lack of the female touch being that the story is told in the female perspective and where she is the protagonist!

i know guys really tend towards to visual perception and keep emphasising on the physical attributes ,but i doubt whether its similar from female pov,like how guys really prefer sexy butt of a woman,
do girls really a like well toned man and his strong,powerful eyes!?

or probably how the man smells?,i do think woman notice these subtle things!i hope incorporating these subtle nuances will add more depth to the character and to the story since its protagonist is a female and would be great to know how female characters look or lust a man and have fun incorporating both the POV's(Male & Female) for the sex scenes

I don't disagree at all but there's only one problem; I'm a dude ^_^

I often write and rewrite every scene in the game several times over to try make it flow as best I can without it sounding too cringe. I really second guess a lot of Lisa's inner monologue's especially during sexual content because it often feels so repetitive mentioning the same things so the dialogues between the characters involved takes over which I usually think run quite well and feel real to me at least but I could try to add more of the inner monologues in

No one doubted your willingness and diligence, but I think you made some bad choices, as far as the productivity of the game is concerned. I know very well that it is now easy for me to judge or pass judgement. Breaking the party into many small fractions (4-5 I don't remember) if then between one fraction and the next 3 months go by and people can't remember where they got to and what to stop for after only 20 min of play? And wait another 2/3 months. I personally would have split it in 2 like you did for the other big scenes, so that you had more control over your production and could make more accurate predictions. You waste less time doing CG, Rpg and the script 2 times than you keep alternating it for 4-5.

I agree with you Geko, I've said the same thing on here and in update posts recently about how I won't be releasing any more small patches even when the pressure's high because it's so counter-productive and only serves to irritate the players while simultaneously sending my nerves into overdrive lol!

I hope not but I think Lisa will come to be a mindless slut.

I mean Lisa can lose control of her inhibitions in the throes of passion for sure but the character will never devolve into someone without purpose or reason. I suppose it depends on what you mean though. If you play the game and opt into every sexual encounter available would that deem Lisa a mindless slut? I don't personally think so. I see Lisa and I try to write Lisa as a real person, someone I know inside and out and if I think there isn't enough weight behind Lisa having sex with someone then Lisa won't be having sex with that person ^_^

Bottom line is that I absolutely love the character Lisa, I want to do her justice at the very least

i dont like famle mc with ntr -.-

It's one of my favorites

Sigh, and then people wonder why devs become angry over time or stop hanging around their F95 games entirely.

It could definitely be worse! x) I'm not going anywhere <3

Lol come on man she gets blackmailed then sexually assaulted. And just goes on her with day. Next time she see him shes like i hate him what an asshole.. like bruh. And when she gets raped and gangbanged, she is able to remain composed enough to pretend nothing happened to her friend? If you think these reactions are not unrealistic, you are wayy too deep in the porn

This is just the nature of it being a choice based game, you'd be absolutely right in what you're saying if it were a kinetic novel or something but the unbelievable scope of alternate dialogues for every conceivable route in every conceivable order is just way too much for a solo developer of a game with as many routes as this especially given that this route in particular isn't even mandatory, it's completely optional ^_^

I mean, she's apparently on her way to becoming a drug-addicted whore based on one use of weed and one use of MDMA, so realism isn't really a priority for Lisa's reactions to things. "Way too deep in the porn" is her Myers-Briggs personality type.

PG's going to have to invent a magical mind control object to explain her emotional responses the way the dude writing "The Office Wife" did.

Eh? I don't know what you mean here ^_^

If you're talking about the addiction idea, I talked a bit about it recently where I can't think of a better term for "addiction" because it's not actually addiction, it's more just Bobby's route in particular that the continued drug use opens up as he's the local dealer she "knows" now.

As for magical mind control objects; that's a solid no from me lol x) there are no fantastical elements in Lisa, maybe in the next game though ^_^

What it's actually turned into is a game heavily featuring violence against women and non-sex-positive cheating. What's the last sex Lisa had that Danny knows about? Moddy's party? And the only woman in the game without sexual violence as either backstory or onscreen misery is the one that won't appear in any sex scenes? That's pretty significant.

Danny's Sharing/Hw route is only one route in the game, it hasn't had any updates in a while but neither have so many others. There's just a lot of routes ^_^

Next update has Danny Sharing content but no Paul content again, that doesn't mean that the game is steering away from such content; it's just on the conveyor belt in a queue.

That and Danny isn't strictly a main character in the game, he has a fair amount of screen time early but I've mentioned before that it diminishes as the game progresses whether they are together or not (it's also talked about between the two when the distance happens, obviously I can't spoil why but Lisa's preoccupied in the later stages). He will continue to be in Sharing / Cuckolding content but after Lisa graduates the game shifts quite a lot

As for non-sex-positive cheating I'm not sure what that means. I think Byron's scenes were pretty sex positive as Lisa is enamored with the guy, the mood I felt was very upbeat even to the degree that Lisa wanted him to stay with her and they were basically the last scenes I worked on prior to the party ^_^ I might be misinterpreting what you meant, please don't think me ignorant if you meant something completely different mate :x

Misogyny is, in fact, the primary focus of the game. Add up the women with sexual violence in their story arcs and the ones without. Add up the rapists, rapist accomplices, and molesters. Factor in the forthcoming drug whore story line (based on the famous drugs of addiction marijuana and MDMA, lol). This game is about punishing women.

I don't see it that way at all mate and I'm sad that the game comes across that way, yes there's quite a few nasty characters in the game but it's primary driver isn't by any means wishing harm on women. I'm just trying to write a compelling story with some pretty serious real world topics. I've always been a fan of "Utsuge" which basically means "depressing game" then later I started enjoying female protag games so Lisa is basically a mix of things I enjoy. Writing an "utsuge" inspired porn game with a female lead I think leans quite heavily into the plotlines I've written so I might be a little unoriginal but I also had no idea what I was doing when I started this game ^_^ I know some of the darker scenes are really dark but that's just me trying to implement things realistically.

Of course I have the advantage of a script for the game but I see the game as more of a testament to how powerful a girl can become when she and those close to her are faced with incredibly dire situations. I hope that over time players take several moments throughout the game to admire how much she grows and how much she sacrifices.
It's a heroine's tale for certain! (at least in my eyes but I might be a little biased! xd)

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I've probably made a mistake somewhere in that list but I don't think it's really indicative of the "woman hating". Again I'm gonna be a broken record for a second but I think it's just the order in which the game's been updated more than anything that's made people feel this way. When JP is finished and we start back into Lisa's credit quests I imagine this topic will be put to rest for a while

I don't know if I've misspoken about the drug route in the recent past, it's probably changed a lot since I first talked about it during the Camping Trip releases (I honestly can't remember what my original idea was but it always centered around Bobby at the very least) but there is no "drug-whore" route. Repeated drug use is basically Bobby's route.
Addiction as the variable title isn't a mainstay, I just don't know what else to call it right now. I'm well aware that MDMA isn't physically addictive given that I spent half a decade taking it on a weekly basis - I sure do miss it sometimes though.. x)
Bobby was first mentioned on the Camping Trip whilst the group were by the waterfall (basically where "addiction" is first mentioned), it was around that time his character was written into the story and his reveal was always gonna be the party. I actually introduced him at the Kwang-Ho during one of the eavesdropping events so if you haven't been there yet, there are some interesting conversations! Anyway after Jayce's party Lisa can goto Neon and after a couple visits she can choose to buy some ecstasy from Bobby beforehand - keep doing this and Lisa and Bobby become closer (sort of)

It's containing trojan virus

I always make sure to upload the latest trojans in all of the games updates, don't worry x)

I really hate how disconnected the sex scenes are from the narrative, during story Lisa is shy and inexperienced, but durning sex she is a sex addicted dirty talking whore, it doesn't feel right.

I've seen this mentioned a few times and I'm not totally sure why. When I was in my teens I dated an incredibly shy girl, she was so, so sweet and so innocent, she had attended a strict all girl catholic school her entire life and had never had a boyfriend but when we became sexually active, she came alive much like Lisa (this and one other partner is where a lot of Lisa's inspiration comes from )

It's also hinted in the first 20minutes of the game that Lisa watches a lot of porn (gangbang porn at that) and she's sexually active with a long term boyfriend so the dirty talk shouldn't come as too much of a surprise.

Some of the early scenes in the game are probably rough around the edges in terms of narrative, I've definitely improved my writing as time's went on and I will eventually go back and revise a lot of the early stuff like the swim trip ^_^

Honestly that's one of the things I like. It fits the storytelling of a girl who buys society's narrative of what constitutes a "good girl" discovering that she really loves sex and being sexual. It was one of the things I thought could lend to a really good journey. Like, she'd come to realize out of bed that the way she was in bed was the reflection of who she really wanted to be, not the chaste stereotype she was trying to be for other people.

Yeah that's actually a really interesting way to look it and very much the way things are moving ^_^!

The game is about a girl who just wanted to live a happy life, but who got caught up with dangerous people and violent events. The focus of the game is Lisa's story. A good story has conflict. It has obstacles, trials, and tribulations for the protagonist. The protagonist goes on a journey, often involving pain and suffering, but ending (we hope) with an ultimate triumph and a good resolution for those who deserve it.

Lisa wants a "happily ever after", but she's going to have to suffer before she gets it. And that's not misogyny. That's good writing. Some of the characters she encounters in her story may be misogynists, but their actions are not the primary focus of the story. They are simply part of the conflict in the story. They are plot devices which will push Lisa and put her (and other characters) to the test. But she will stand up to that test, and will come out on top. And the players who followed that story to the end will cheer for her, and the players who left along the way will hopefully find some other story which they enjoy more.

I almost want to use this as the blurb for the game lol!

I was trying so hard to put something like this into words but as always you do an impeccable job in my stead Lecher ^_^!

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Phew, long reply but hello gang ^_^

Feels like things are a little heated in this thread today or is it just me? lol

Thank God it's only Monday, I'm just finishing up one of Danny Stays routes which in total in nearly 200cg when all alternates are included. It's getting so warm here where I live, last week I had my central heating on and now I'm debating getting the fan out of the attic lol!

Hope you're all healthy and well!! <3

 

[Alea iacta est]

Look, this kind of discussion is going to keep happening. The game starts off like it's going to be about hotwifing/cuckoldry/NTR/whatever term you like. Lisa and Danny's conversation after the swim trip makes it seem like it will be some form of sex-positive, even if there will be bumps along the way. I even liked it for the bumps, hard to imagine that sort of lifestyle NOT having some serious issues to tackle.

What it's actually turned into is a game heavily featuring violence against women and non-sex-positive cheating. What's the last sex Lisa had that Danny knows about? Moddy's party? And the only woman in the game without sexual violence as either backstory or onscreen misery is the one that won't appear in any sex scenes? That's pretty significant.

Like I said, this will keep happening. People start playing this game, think it's going to be one thing, then run into the misogyny at every turn. They're going to keep coming here to say "Hey, what the fuck?"



Misogyny is, in fact, the primary focus of the game. Add up the women with sexual violence in their story arcs and the ones without. Add up the rapists, rapist accomplices, and molesters. Factor in the forthcoming drug whore story line (based on the famous drugs of addiction marijuana and MDMA, lol). This game is about punishing women.

That is what it is. Like I said in my review, it's not my place to judge someone else's kink. Filtering out the rape tag eliminates an enormous percentage of the games on this site. It's the shift from where this game starts to where it's now gone that's going to keep this thread having the same arguments for the next 15 years.

Laughable stuff ..

You are playing the wrong game mate.

It is not for you...

Pass by your local church to find more appropriate content for you

 

[JustAmou]

Look, this kind of discussion is going to keep happening. The game starts off like it's going to be about hotwifing/cuckoldry/NTR/whatever term you like. Lisa and Danny's conversation after the swim trip makes it seem like it will be some form of sex-positive, even if there will be bumps along the way. I even liked it for the bumps, hard to imagine that sort of lifestyle NOT having some serious issues to tackle.

What it's actually turned into is a game heavily featuring violence against women and non-sex-positive cheating. What's the last sex Lisa had that Danny knows about? Moddy's party? And the only woman in the game without sexual violence as either backstory or onscreen misery is the one that won't appear in any sex scenes? That's pretty significant.

Like I said, this will keep happening. People start playing this game, think it's going to be one thing, then run into the misogyny at every turn. They're going to keep coming here to say "Hey, what the fuck?"



Misogyny is, in fact, the primary focus of the game. Add up the women with sexual violence in their story arcs and the ones without. Add up the rapists, rapist accomplices, and molesters. Factor in the forthcoming drug whore story line (based on the famous drugs of addiction marijuana and MDMA, lol). This game is about punishing women.

That is what it is. Like I said in my review, it's not my place to judge someone else's kink. Filtering out the rape tag eliminates an enormous percentage of the games on this site. It's the shift from where this game starts to where it's now gone that's going to keep this thread having the same arguments for the next 15 years.

Oh hell naah twittard virus is spreading fast huh? go play dess up barbie or something mate this game is perfect and i hope the dev don't listen to vanilla snowflakes like you eww

 

[tubitvdishi2]

 

[Alea iacta est]

Yeah it's great game. But play the first game, rpgm version. Ren py version is not so good.

Careful to state that.. lot of Renpy zealots here

 

[Alea iacta est]

It's only available for those already on the Sharing / Hotwifing route

I'd steer clear of both if you don't want Danny involved sexually as he's involved a lot in those routes ^_^




Hi HappyNuts! (Nice name xd)

George and Mick (the old guy at the bus stop) were added as placeholders for potential content later though George's content would only be added as a sort of DLC. Both are uncertain as of right now

George is less of a brat than it's perhaps eluded (is this the right term? xD) to so far, he's just young and a bit excitable where Mick's content is another particularly depressing story. What's new, eh? ^_^




I don't disagree at all but there's only one problem; I'm a dude ^_^

I often write and rewrite every scene in the game several times over to try make it flow as best I can without it sounding too cringe. I really second guess a lot of Lisa's inner monologue's especially during sexual content because it often feels so repetitive mentioning the same things so the dialogues between the characters involved takes over which I usually think run quite well and feel real to me at least but I could try to add more of the inner monologues in




I agree with you Geko, I've said the same thing on here and in update posts recently about how I won't be releasing any more small patches even when the pressure's high because it's so counter-productive and only serves to irritate the players while simultaneously sending my nerves into overdrive lol!




I mean Lisa can lose control of her inhibitions in the throes of passion for sure but the character will never devolve into someone without purpose or reason. I suppose it depends on what you mean though. If you play the game and opt into every sexual encounter available would that deem Lisa a mindless slut? I don't personally think so. I see Lisa and I try to write Lisa as a real person, someone I know inside and out and if I think there isn't enough weight behind Lisa having sex with someone then Lisa won't be having sex with that person ^_^

Bottom line is that I absolutely love the character Lisa, I want to do her justice at the very least



It's one of my favorites




It could definitely be worse! x) I'm not going anywhere <3




This is just the nature of it being a choice based game, you'd be absolutely right in what you're saying if it were a kinetic novel or something but the unbelievable scope of alternate dialogues for every conceivable route in every conceivable order is just way too much for a solo developer of a game with as many routes as this especially given that this route in particular isn't even mandatory, it's completely optional ^_^




Eh? I don't know what you mean here ^_^

If you're talking about the addiction idea, I talked a bit about it recently where I can't think of a better term for "addiction" because it's not actually addiction, it's more just Bobby's route in particular that the continued drug use opens up as he's the local dealer she "knows" now.

As for magical mind control objects; that's a solid no from me lol x) there are no fantastical elements in Lisa, maybe in the next game though ^_^





Danny's Sharing/Hw route is only one route in the game, it hasn't had any updates in a while but neither have so many others. There's just a lot of routes ^_^

Next update has Danny Sharing content but no Paul content again, that doesn't mean that the game is steering away from such content; it's just on the conveyor belt in a queue.

That and Danny isn't strictly a main character in the game, he has a fair amount of screen time early but I've mentioned before that it diminishes as the game progresses whether they are together or not (it's also talked about between the two when the distance happens, obviously I can't spoil why but Lisa's preoccupied in the later stages). He will continue to be in Sharing / Cuckolding content but after Lisa graduates the game shifts quite a lot

As for non-sex-positive cheating I'm not sure what that means. I think Byron's scenes were pretty sex positive as Lisa is enamored with the guy, the mood I felt was very upbeat even to the degree that Lisa wanted him to stay with her and they were basically the last scenes I worked on prior to the party ^_^ I might be misinterpreting what you meant, please don't think me ignorant if you meant something completely different mate :x



I don't see it that way at all mate and I'm sad that the game comes across that way, yes there's quite a few nasty characters in the game but it's primary driver isn't by any means wishing harm on women. I'm just trying to write a compelling story with some pretty serious real world topics. I've always been a fan of "Utsuge" which basically means "depressing game" then later I started enjoying female protag games so Lisa is basically a mix of things I enjoy. Writing an "utsuge" inspired porn game with a female lead I think leans quite heavily into the plotlines I've written so I might be a little unoriginal but I also had no idea what I was doing when I started this game ^_^ I know some of the darker scenes are really dark but that's just me trying to implement things realistically.

Of course I have the advantage of a script for the game but I see the game as more of a testament to how powerful a girl can become when she and those close to her are faced with incredibly dire situations. I hope that over time players take several moments throughout the game to admire how much she grows and how much she sacrifices.
It's a heroine's tale for certain! (at least in my eyes but I might be a little biased! xd)

I was actually interested so I listed the characters below and whether they have been / will be victims of sexual abuse OR have instigated sexual abuse / will instigate sexual abuse.

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I've probably made a mistake somewhere in that list but I don't think it's really indicative of the "woman hating". Again I'm gonna be a broken record for a second but I think it's just the order in which the game's been updated more than anything that's made people feel this way. When JP is finished and we start back into Lisa's credit quests I imagine this topic will be put to rest for a while

I don't know if I've misspoken about the drug route in the recent past, it's probably changed a lot since I first talked about it during the Camping Trip releases (I honestly can't remember what my original idea was but it always centered around Bobby at the very least) but there is no "drug-whore" route. Repeated drug use is basically Bobby's route.
Addiction as the variable title isn't a mainstay, I just don't know what else to call it right now. I'm well aware that MDMA isn't physically addictive given that I spent half a decade taking it on a weekly basis - I sure do miss it sometimes though.. x)
Bobby was first mentioned on the Camping Trip whilst the group were by the waterfall (basically where "addiction" is first mentioned), it was around that time his character was written into the story and his reveal was always gonna be the party. I actually introduced him at the Kwang-Ho during one of the eavesdropping events so if you haven't been there yet, there are some interesting conversations! Anyway after Jayce's party Lisa can goto Neon and after a couple visits she can choose to buy some ecstasy from Bobby beforehand - keep doing this and Lisa and Bobby become closer (sort of)




I always make sure to upload the latest trojans in all of the games updates, don't worry x)




I've seen this mentioned a few times and I'm not totally sure why. When I was in my teens I dated an incredibly shy girl, she was so, so sweet and so innocent, she had attended a strict all girl catholic school her entire life and had never had a boyfriend but when we became sexually active, she came alive much like Lisa (this and one other partner is where a lot of Lisa's inspiration comes from )

It's also hinted in the first 20minutes of the game that Lisa watches a lot of porn (gangbang porn at that) and she's sexually active with a long term boyfriend so the dirty talk shouldn't come as too much of a surprise.

Some of the early scenes in the game are probably rough around the edges in terms of narrative, I've definitely improved my writing as time's went on and I will eventually go back and revise a lot of the early stuff like the swim trip ^_^




Yeah that's actually a really interesting way to look it and very much the way things are moving ^_^!




I almost want to use this as the blurb for the game lol!

I was trying so hard to put something like this into words but as always you do an impeccable job in my stead Lecher ^_^!

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Phew, long reply but hello gang ^_^

Feels like things are a little heated in this thread today or is it just me? lol

Thank God it's only Monday, I'm just finishing up one of Danny Stays routes which in total in nearly 200cg when all alternates are included. It's getting so warm here where I live, last week I had my central heating on and now I'm debating getting the fan out of the attic lol!

Hope you're all healthy and well!! <3

Good quality answers PaleGrass

Carry on doing this amazing game.. and please give us some good hardcore scenes (translated: more violence, rape, blackmail etc..)

You do not want that your audience fall asleep during the game.. there are so many homogenized games posted here..

we need you to let us believe that REAL porn still exist and we can see some "real" dirty sex.

 

[LiMp17]

Look, this kind of discussion is going to keep happening. The game starts off like it's going to be about hotwifing/cuckoldry/NTR/whatever term you like. Lisa and Danny's conversation after the swim trip makes it seem like it will be some form of sex-positive, even if there will be bumps along the way. I even liked it for the bumps, hard to imagine that sort of lifestyle NOT having some serious issues to tackle.

What it's actually turned into is a game heavily featuring violence against women and non-sex-positive cheating. What's the last sex Lisa had that Danny knows about? Moddy's party? And the only woman in the game without sexual violence as either backstory or onscreen misery is the one that won't appear in any sex scenes? That's pretty significant.

Like I said, this will keep happening. People start playing this game, think it's going to be one thing, then run into the misogyny at every turn. They're going to keep coming here to say "Hey, what the fuck?"



Misogyny is, in fact, the primary focus of the game. Add up the women with sexual violence in their story arcs and the ones without. Add up the rapists, rapist accomplices, and molesters. Factor in the forthcoming drug whore story line (based on the famous drugs of addiction marijuana and MDMA, lol). This game is about punishing women.

That is what it is. Like I said in my review, it's not my place to judge someone else's kink. Filtering out the rape tag eliminates an enormous percentage of the games on this site. It's the shift from where this game starts to where it's now gone that's going to keep this thread having the same arguments for the next 15 years.

Omg, are you seriously seeing Misogyny in a fictional game?? It´s just a game dude get over it, and if you don´t like it go look for something else.

 

[Alea iacta est]

Omg, are you seriously seeing Misogyny in a fictional game??

This is the madness.. this big wave of neo-puritanism..

How on earth, someone think is right coming here (adult website) and give lesson of morality.

Honestly an entire generation of Western "men" is growing with all this fucked up ideas that a videogame can induce violence or misogyny.

I know the country responsible for this cultural decline.. but I won't name it..

 

[LiMp17]

This is the madness.. this big wave of neo-puritanism..

How on earth, someone think is right coming here (adult website) and give lesson of morality.

Honestly an entire generation of Western "men" is growing with all this fucked up ideas that a videogame can induce violence or misogyny.

I know the country responsible for this cultural decline.. but I won't name it..

The whole gaming industry is full of people like that seeing misogyny, racism, homo**bia in everything. You can´t just enjoy a game for what it is nowadays. Good story, characters , OPTIMIZATION , etc.

 

[Alea iacta est]

The whole gaming industry is full of people like that seeing misogyny, racism, homo**bia in everything. You can´t just enjoy a game for what it is nowadays.

In the past there was a motto "live and let live". Everything more chill, no need to virtual-signalling.
You did not like something, you move on..

Now is a bloody hell on earth, with all those weak egos spreading crap like someone is putting an handgun on their head forcing them to play the game...

 

[LonerPrime]

Personally, I'd never advocate for any censoring of content as I stand for dev's creative freedom foremost, especially with games that have an expansive amount of content that touches on multiple genres. Go all out Palegrass.

Just stick with your approach on making extreme content selective. A lot of us aren't exactly bound by a vanilla moral compass, but don't really get a high from the rough stuff either. Like someone said above, it's all about the Light and the Dark and depending on how the mood strikes, I'd enjoy sampling both.

 

[LiMp17]

In the past there was a motto "live and let live". Everything more chill, no need to virtual-signalling.
You did not like something, you move on..

Now is a bloody hell on earth, with all those weak egos spreading crap like someone is putting an handgun on their head forcing them to play the game...

Crazy world we live nowadays. The good thing is that it can't go like that indefinitely. We will see the light and the end of the tunnel, and it won't be pretty. The world will need a lot of healing after all this .

 

[Alea iacta est]

Personally, I'd not advocate for any censoring of content as I stand for dev's creative freedom foremost, especially with games that have an expansive amount of content that touches on multiple genres. Go all out Palegrass.

Just stick with your approach on making extreme content selective. A lot of us aren't exactly bound by a vanilla moral compass, but don't really get a high either from rough stuff. Like someone said above, it's all about the Light and the Dark and depending on how the mood strikes, I'd enjoy sampling each.

I agree to make a good message "Be careful this content can damage your beliefs, do you want to proceed?"

But then, there is another issue is coming out... THE CHOICE.. If you give choice it means you are bending the meaning of the plot, imagine a successful Hollywood movie of the past where each viewer can decide the path.. the movie won't make any sense.

[Fashion business] is an example: it is all about blackmail, rape and other crap.. would you give choices to avoid? If yes, is the game will look the same? I do not think so.

Sometime it is important (for those that suffer) to choose the right game based on the TAG.

I am really against forking the game.. because it will increase exponentially the delivery time and the quality of the delivery unless the DEV can scale up adding more developers.

But again it is my opinion.

 

[LonerPrime]

But then, there is another issue is coming out... THE CHOICE..

You make a good point. And I'm absolutely with you on movies being like a kinetic novel where we go along with the ride with the director in the driving seat. But that is where the concept of a "game" deviates away from the movies/books approach entirely. It breaks the limitations of being kinetic and gives control to the player. They get to decide what will be Lisa's fate. A romantic lovebird or a slutty bimbo. Unlike a movie, that is for the masses, most gamers play such games solo after-all!

And I believe that is ultimately what Palegrass is aiming for as well. I apologize to him if I'm being presumptuously wrong in this observation, but as part of an indie game developing circle myself, I believe his foremost goal is to make his game attractive to multiple category of gamers. If he locks himself into just one particular flow like a movie, he will find a dedicated loyal fanbase, but will essentially cut his supporter base down drastically. Not because his game is bad but because suddenly people will go, "Wow nice looking game but man am I not a fan of XYZ, so hard pass for me."

All in all, I see your point of view and definitely feel it's valid given how much work will have to be poured to bring it to final fruition, but Palegrass's approach to make each gamer the director of the game and make Lisa's story their own, is not an approach without merit either. And in the end, given how much work he has already done, he clearly understands the amount of effort and preparation needed himself. The fact that he is still at it just shows how much he is dedicated to the concept after-all. All we can do on our part is to excercise patience and pray that the game develops out completely.

 

[Alea iacta est]

You make a good point. And I'm absolutely with you on movies being like a kinetic novel where we go along with the ride with the director in the driving seat. But that is where the concept of a "game" deviates away from the movies/books approach entirely. It breaks the limitations of being kinetic and gives control to the player. They get to decide what will be Lisa's fate. A romantic lovebird or a slutty bimbo. Unlike a movie, that is for the masses, most gamers play such games solo after-all!

And I believe that is ultimately what Palegrass is aiming for as well. I apologize to him if I'm being presumptuously wrong in this observation, but as part of an indie game developing circle myself, I believe his foremost goal is to make his game attractive to multiple category of gamers. If he locks himself into just one particular flow like a movie, he will find a dedicated loyal fanbase, but will essentially cut his supporter base down drastically. Not because his game is bad but because suddenly people will go, "Wow nice looking game but man am I not a fan of XYZ, so hard pass for me."

All in all, I see your point of view and definitely feel it's valid given how much work will have to be poured to bring it to final fruition, but Palegrass's approach to make each gamer the director of the game and make Lisa's story their own, is not an approach without merit either. And in the end, given how much work he has already done, he clearly understands the amount of effort and preparation needed himself. The fact that he is still at it just shows how much he is dedicated to the concept after-all. All we can do on our part is to excercise patience and pray that the game develops out completely.

but how a dev can ever scale up?
keeping the same delivery pace (e.g. 2 months?) and filling all the breaches (that can grow exponentially) of the game without compromises? (Scaling up is a big problem in the Industry as well, where time to market is essential..)

Plus...do you think the choices will make the fanbase happy?

Quoting Margaret Thatcher: "Standing in the middle of the road is very dangerous; you get knocked down by the traffic from both sides. – Margaret Thatcher"

I am very pro single direction with mild turns here and there.

Anyway good to know your point of view.

 

[phantomz]

some ppl have a really fragile mentality , its just a game ffs .
if you cant handle simple imaginary things in a porn game just do not play this game .

when it comes to shooting game theres no problem just shoot to hundred or thousand of soldiers and enemies . b.o.m.b.i.n.g them or remove them from earth with a RPG launcher , same story in sword fighting game when you chop enemies limbs and heads . theres absolutely no problem because its just a game and its not real .

but when they playing porn game they are like this "oh no he insulted that girl , oh no he slapped her or raped her . Dev crossed the lines , How dare he ! blah , blah , blah"

 

[seismyth]

not sure why people complain about game that is the dependent largely on the imagination of the creator and the people who give him feedback on certain aspects of the game. the game doesn't have to be realistic or whatever Pale decides to make it, he can change his mind at any point in the development and decide to go different routes. Just enjoy the game and if you don't like it you can always find some other game to play.

 

[RISKBREAKER83]

Hello, someone with full gallery save ? I lost mine because of my stupidity

 

[bakuon]

Hello, someone with full gallery save ? I lost mine because of my stupidity

look at page 1.... you will find what you are looking for

 

[BareMinimumMan]

Does anyone know how to play the game on JoiPlay without getting weird menus and why the game also doesn't start from the beginning?