RPGM Lisa [v2.90b] [PaleGrass]

[Geko1711]

It has never seemed to me in this game that Lisa was reasoning with PG's dick, or that she was expressing PG's desires. Of course, as the author, PG decides all of Lisa's actions, words, and thoughts, and it's only reasonable to suppose that his own personal sexual preferences would make their way into his game, but it has never seemed to me, while playing the game, that Lisa was acting on PG's impulses. That's one of the indications of good writing, when the characters seem to be acting in character and their motivations seem believable, as opposed to when it's clear that a character only made a choice because the author made an executive decision.

It's still a man's point of view well done, well written, whatever you want but it's not realistic. I'm 100% sure it doesn't even come close to the female POV and I also understand the needs of its audience and that PG has to sell the product, I hope not but I think Lisa will come to be a mindless slut. The end that so many games like T.O.W., Myriam and others the list is very long, how sad...

Also, it's worth noting that Lisa's motivations are decided by her character, more than they are decided by her gender. So, to take your own example of Lisa being vindictive toward Paul, I don't think that whether she is or isn't vindictive toward him should be a question of a female versus a male perspective, but should rather be a question of Lisa's character. Some women would be vindictive, while others wouldn't. When deciding whether or not to make Lisa vindictive, it's enough for PG to reference the character he has given Lisa throughout the game, and it's not necessary for him to bog himself down by asking, "Is this a sufficiently female characterization".

Women are vindictive no matter what... and I find Lisa with Paul definitely acted from a Male point of view (PG's) which then is definitely what the majority want, but it's not realistic and as I said before PG needs to sell.

 

[LongoMcFap]

Well, to have a more female POV you need one thing for sure, a female writer of the story/scenes. Otherwise it's a male trying to mimic a female (of course, there are more and less talented guys ...).

Then there is the question for me, you have here a "porn game reality", were certain sexual actions, which are hot in this defined reality, in real life would harm the person and are crimes and should be punished

To what extent there is a congruence between male and female fantasies including more extreme stuff, which are one thing you want to see realized in a porn game, I don't know.

So I am quite fine with a male writing scenes for females, and PG is definitely amongst the better ones. I personally think male devs who have experience and/or a talent for good dirty talk, can write scenes for both perspectives (yes, I live in a binary world). While females are per se more in the descriptive part talented?!

 

[TheLecher]

It's still a man's point of view well done, well written, whatever you want but it's not realistic. I'm 100% sure it doesn't even come close to the female POV...

Women are vindictive no matter what...

The statement that "women are vindictive no matter what" is enough to convince me that you are not an authority on the female point of view.

Also, it is no more true that men cannot write women realistically than it would be to say that women cannot write men realistically.

I hope not but I think Lisa will come to be a mindless slut.

I also hope that Lisa will not become a mindless slut, not because I object to mindless sluts in games or stories (I don't.), but because I think that would be a bad outcome for Lisa, as a character. I don't think it will happen.

and I find Lisa with Paul definitely acted from a Male point of view (PG's) which then is definitely what the majority want, but it's not realistic and as I said before PG needs to sell.

Other than your belief that Lisa should be more vindictive, point to a specific example of how Lisa's reaction to Paul is unrealistic or not believable.

 

[Skorm007]

Women are vindictive no matter what...

Yeah no...
I don't know you so I'm not gonna assume to know/guess where that statement comes from, but trying to put an attribute on an entire gender is extremely misguided and just flat out wrong.

 

[Virgin Girl]

i dont like famle mc with ntr -.-

 

[Cabin]

Dev : let me make a nice sexy female protag with a good hot sexy story .....
Ppl in the comment section :
time to show my PhD degree in human psychology and argue about my opinions
Like guys c'mon the dev did say to provide suggestions and other tips on how to make the game better but ppl are tending to change the character or personality of the mc and her interactions with the npcs according to their whims and fancies
I am sure the dev has already constructed a pretty solid base on how the story will unfold in the future so let's see to that and respect his creations
I really love reading all the suggestions that are genuinely presented to the dev in helping to shape Lisa's character and personality but sometimes it is not required
Dev cannot please everyone yet he is trying his very best to do so , so let's appreciate his hardwork and see where the story goes
If the game receives negative feedbacks or constructive criticism then obvio the dev will change or tweak something in the story
Also don't try to tag a particular gender and assign them traits like calling all men or women vindictive
It's rude
Sorry if I come out as bothersome or a nuisance for not minding my own business
Cheers

 

[Geko1711]

The statement that "women are vindictive no matter what" is enough to convince me that you are not an authority on the female point of view.

Also, it is no more true that men cannot write women realistically than it would be to say that women cannot write men realistically.

I try to explain myself better the automatic translator does what it can: Every woman has a vengeful part in her, whether it is more or less evident or pronounced, but she has it. I may not be an authority but apparently neither are you and that's why I'd love to have a female POV.

I just think it's the exact opposite, an author or Dev usually writes to share his pleasure with others but he reasons according to his preferences in this case as a man and not according to a woman's preferences.

I also hope that Lisa will not become a mindless slut, not because I object to mindless sluts in games or stories (I don't.), but because I think that would be a bad outcome for Lisa, as a character. I don't think it will happen.

As I wrote above I hope so too but I am sceptical about it.

Other than your belief that Lisa should be more vindictive, point to a specific example of how Lisa's reaction to Paul is unrealistic or not believable.

This confirms to me that you are not really an authority. According to what you have always largely stated Lisa should be a submissive to blackmail without ever reacting or anything because this is a dictate of adult games blackmailed submissive woman you make do anything, do you want me to list how many games are made like this? So boring...

 

[Sixty]

Every woman has a vengeful part in her, whether it is more or less evident or pronounced, but she has it.

Jesus, dude. There are vindictive women. There are vindictive men. There are women without a vindictive bone in their body. There are men without a vindictive bone in their body.

Saying shit like that about an entire gender isn't remotely true. It's just your misogyny.

 

[LonerPrime]

Sigh, and then people wonder why devs become angry over time or stop hanging around their F95 games entirely.

I just hope Palegrass continues doing things the way they were planned.

 

[Priappus]

Well, to have a more female POV you need one thing for sure, a female writer of the story/scenes. Otherwise it's a male trying to mimic a female (of course, there are more and less talented guys ...).

Then there is the question for me, you have here a "porn game reality", were certain sexual actions, which are hot in this defined reality, in real life would harm the person and are crimes and should be punished

To what extent there is a congruence between male and female fantasies including more extreme stuff, which are one thing you want to see realized in a porn game, I don't know.

So I am quite fine with a male writing scenes for females, and PG is definitely amongst the better ones. I personally think male devs who have experience and/or a talent for good dirty talk, can write scenes for both perspectives (yes, I live in a binary world). While females are per se more in the descriptive part talented?!

according to a scientific research,women's fantasies are much (hard) than men's,they fantasize about double penetrations with big dicks,sadism,BBC and much more, men's fantasies are much softer.

 

[linus.quotes]

Have not got to the end of current version yet, but have to say, great game so far, like the story, the model (though I prefer more petite girl models), it's a shame that it is not animated, though...

 

[TheLecher]

I try to explain myself better the automatic translator does what it can: Every woman has a vengeful part in her, whether it is more or less evident or pronounced, but she has it. I may not be an authority but apparently neither are you and that's why I'd love to have a female POV.

No, every woman does not have a vengeful part in her, just as not every man has a vengeful part in him. Yes, there are certain character traits which are more prevalent among men, and other character traits which are more prevalent among women, but none of them are universal in either gender.

This confirms to me that you are not really an authority. According to what you have always largely stated Lisa should be a submissive to blackmail without ever reacting or anything because this is a dictate of adult games blackmailed submissive woman you make do anything, do you want me to list how many games are made like this? So boring...

I have always largely stated what?

I have never stated that Lisa "should be" submissive to blackmail without ever reacting. Go ahead and try to provide even one example of me saying that. Also, she does react in this game, frequently and strongly.

As for how many adult games portray blackmail in this way, there's nothing wrong with that. Why do you suppose that many games portray similar events in similar ways? It's because a lot of people enjoy and want that kind of content. It might be boring to you, but that doesn't mean that it's boring to others.

Let me remind you that you aren't forced to play Paul's blackmail route in this game. It's completely optional. If you don't like it, then skip that part of the game.

 

[Lara Snow]

Yup. I never had to deal with the disgusting rat kid any more than necessary. Young boys are disgusting.

 

[LonerPrime]

Yup. I never had to deal with the disgusting rat kid any more than necessary. Young boys are disgusting.

Paul definitely is not designed to be liked by most. Even though, at that age, boys do become curious about sex and everything else that goes along with it, Paul however takes it up a notch and not in a good way. Maybe he was born rotten or maybe he became one along the way- who knows?

Still, I wouldn't go as far as to generalize all young boys as disgusting beings. Palegrass does handle a similarly aged character, but with a more gentler- 180 degree opposite approach. Luca has the whole shy, flustered "falling in love with a confident girl" vibe going. Unlike Paul, his attraction to Lisa stems more from the heart than the dick.

I guess this is what makes this game stand out. It caters to both vanilla and kink lovers and never forces you to exclusively play either. Personally, I draw the line on blackmail/rape/non-consensual. Nothing moralistic about it- the forced approach just doesn't float my boat, period. But I'm cool with the option of having this content available as a choice based experience. Like folks above said, the game doesn't really forces you into a route.

 

[Kotobiki]

I just read on this thread what is ikely most misogynistic attempt of "backing" female agency/PoV that I've ever read, yikes, congratulations. Wow, just wow.

 

[Sissycuck111]

When I launch the game it starts at the party? I can't find a way to start from the beginning. Can anyone help me with this please. Thnx

 

[LonerPrime]

When I launch the game it starts at the party? I can't find a way to start from the beginning. Can anyone help me with this please. Thnx

Sounds like you have played the game before and continuing from your older saves. Unlike most RPG games, Lisa stores its save files under User directory which is separate from the game's own folder. You can confirm this by going to:

C:\Users\"YOURACCOUNTNAMEHERE"\AppData\Local\User Data\Default\Lisa
[By default the ApplData folder is hidden so you might have to un-hide it first.]

If there are save files there, then that is your issue. You may either wipe that entire folder for saving ease with new playthrough or instead of hitting "Continue", start "New Game" on menu instead.

 

[Sissycuck111]

Sounds like you have played the game before and continuing from your older saves. Unlike most RPG games, Lisa stores its save files under User directory which is separate from the game's own folder. You can confirm this by going to:

C:\Users\"YOURACCOUNTNAMEHERE"\AppData\Local\User Data\Default\Lisa
[By default the ApplData folder is hidden so you might have to un-hide it first.]

If there are save files there, then that is your issue. You may either wipe that entire folder for saving ease with new playthrough or instead of hitting "Continue", start "New Game" on menu instead.
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Tyvm for helping and I have played before but several updates ago. I never got close to this point in the game. It's weird. Again, thnx.

 

[looseylucy]

Other than your belief that Lisa should be more vindictive, point to a specific example of how Lisa's reaction to Paul is unrealistic or not believable.

Lol come on man she gets blackmailed then sexually assaulted. And just goes on her with day. Next time she see him shes like i hate him what an asshole.. like bruh. And when she gets raped and gangbanged, she is able to remain composed enough to pretend nothing happened to her friend? If you think these reactions are not unrealistic, you are wayy too deep in the porn

 

[Mateuz52]

There is no single route? man cheating is gross...