VN Ren'Py Abandoned Lord of Imagination [Ep. 4.5 NTR] [AgentGames]

[harsha_26]

I do not understand this game. Why is the MC trying to fuck over Carl if when you are on the Strong Path he is nothing but a mentor figure. Teaching you how to use your powers to eventually he can give you control of the cult. Like I'm playing the game and MC just keeps on shitting on Carl and trying to undermine him. What even is this story. I'm so confused. Plus the sex scenes are so far between I'm forgetting this is supposed to be a sex game.

Yes, there are little to no animations, but renders are good if not best. And as this game contains NTR, we can't expect much people to support this game, for dev to buy better assets or graphic animations.


And for carl, even though he looks like as mentor, he always threaten you by giving NTR warnings. Those warnings are enough to hate that guy & wish to defeat him, even though we won't select those NTR options. You may say "Carl is doing that to help MC to become strong but not a beta". May be, but the way he treats you is enough to hate him. I mean, lot of non ntr fans already hate him and sees him as one of antagonist if not the ultimate villain (becoz we have thainedra for that).

 

[eddie987]

Got done with this update, gotta say. DO NOT USE DARKLIGHT ON THE COP!
Like, there is no, "Hey here's some good for the bad" nope, she just skankafies herself, and not even in a hot way....

Yeah, that was weird. I actually missed it and did another playthrough when I saw your comment. I already had 2 different playthroughs (both non-NTR, but one as a "good guy" where I don't use darklight if I can avoid it and don't kill anyone and one as a "villain" using it at every chance I get and killing anyone I can) and still didn't get that scene, because I didn't want to follow Zel's advice in the evil path and didn't ask for her help to find the killer.

Anyway, the whole broken thing didn't bother me that much, as it only happened in my villain playthrough and it kinda makes sense, but turning her into a slut in general isn't really my thing. And the fact that Zel said you can stop her from being a camgirl, pornstar, whore or whatever the fuck she means by doing bdsm, but never really got that option was a bit annoying, because like I said I'm not going for NTR in any of my playthroughs and it seems that's where she's heading, if she's not already there. Also I agree, her transformation could have been done in a hotter, sexier way, and not just turn her into a cheap whore.

The rest of the update was really good though, especially the progress we made with Sara. I also got two completely different endings in the two different paths I followed, so it will be interesting to see how much the good vs evil paths will differentiate from each other in the future.

 

[bebiho]

olivia is so hot. looks like josie from badik

 

[crabshank]

so uh just found this game seems pretty cool im just curious any mind telling me what was "that scene" lol

 

[gregers]

so uh just found this game seems pretty cool im just curious any mind telling me what was "that scene" lol

Here:

Back in the long ago, an early version of the game had an unavoidable rape scene early on, the MC's mother/guardian being raped by a major NPC, with the choice of the MC either watching or joining in. This was pulled a while back after a change-over in writers, due to a mix of issues with pacing, character development, and complaints over NTR.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

We don't know if Thainendra want to purge all humans or only the currupted ones (still probably billions).
On the good side Thainendra seems to have honor, is forthcoming with information and is honest what his plans are.

For Zel, beside her eugenic experiments, she has zero morality, lies/manipulate everyone, uses terror tactics and bombing, she doesn't care for human lives (on the contrary she encurages the MC for the more extreme options nearly every time) and even actively trys to corrupt him with dark light one time...

I think while extrem in short term, Thainendra's path will be better for humanity in long term, as in a 'better' humanity.
Zel path seems better in short term (no billions of death), but in long term i think that ends far worse for the humans...i imagine her paradise will look similiar to Slaanesh (wh40k), at least thats what i get from her character so far.

As such i would say Thainendra is the lesser evil.

Or in a more eloquent way
=][=
James, it is said that corruption is like a tree. You can prune away its branches, even cut the tree to the ground, but it will grow again ever stronger. Such is the nature of corruption and why it is so difficult to destroy. Some may question my right to kill billion of souls, but those who truly understand realize that I have no right to let them live.
No sacrifice is to great.
No treachery to small.

Thainendra protects
=][=

Both are moraly corrupt from James point of view and i really doubt Thainedra intends to create a paradise on Earth for the few he decides to spare after killing billions. He holds human life in contempt from his dialogues.
And about his "honor sense" i have to agree with Zelphryna, it simply makes him predictible in what twisted ways he will use to kill the ones he perceives as evil.

One interesting thing is that Zelphryna mentions he shouldn't be that strong so maybe he is taking powers from the kills his avatars do? The same way Zel gains powers from sexual acts practiced by her avatars (the more deprevaded the better)? For obvious reasons that would put the "old man" in advantage since James, Carl and the others can't fuck people as fast as Thainedra's avatars can kill them.

 

[Raziel_8]

Both are moraly corrupt from James point of view and i really doubt Thainedra intends to create a paradise on Earth for the few he decides to spare after killing billions. He holds human life in contempt from his dialogues.
And about his "honor sense" i have to agree with Zelphryna, it simply makes him predictible in what twisted ways he will use to kill the ones he perceives as evil.

One interesting thing is that Zelphryna mentions he shouldn't be that strong so maybe he is taking powers from the kills his avatars do? The same way Zel gains powers from sexual acts practiced by her avatars (the more deprevaded the better)? For obvious reasons that would put the "old man" in advantage since James, Carl and the others can't fuck people as fast as Thainedra's avatars can kill them.

I don't know what exactly Thainedra want's to do with the humans or how his version of a good humanity looks like, sure is, he too follows his own goals and isn't some good Samaritan, which wants to create a utopia as humans imagine it.
For his Honor, yes it makes him more predictable, but i don't think he lies to the MC (of course he also don't tell him all his plans), and i think he stands to his word, something Zel doesn't do.

So yes both are bad choices imo, but so far as i understand it, the MC has only power bacause he is linked to Zel, or Thainedra if he switches sides, as the two of them are the only beings in this realm which can generate/access magic/void + he can't use his powers to kill other followers of the same side.
This makes it kinda hard for a third way in which he beats both sides...

Powers from the kills, would be interesting and fitting with 'the god of death'.
But would it really be surprising for Zel ? I mean he destroyed at least one of her planets, so she would likely have notice it.

I had more the impression that he has some kind of deal with Zel's mother, maybe she gave him a boost in power. From what we hear she sounds like a powerfull god and i think Thainedra said something, she wanted Zel's body...

 

[Shagrynn]

played the game from the beginning, alot of bits felt out of order or disjointed. Didn't tell Sara about mob, she knew anyway. Felt like the game was dropping chunks of story and skipping ahead.

 

[ArturiousDesign]

Yes, there are little to no animations, but renders are good if not best. And as this game contains NTR, we can't expect much people to support this game, for dev to buy better assets or graphic animations.


And for carl, even though he looks like as mentor, he always threaten you by giving NTR warnings. Those warnings are enough to hate that guy & wish to defeat him, even though we won't select those NTR options. You may say "Carl is doing that to help MC to become strong but not a beta". May be, but the way he treats you is enough to hate him. I mean, lot of non ntr fans already hate him and sees him as one of antagonist if not the ultimate villain (becoz we have thainedra for that).

not in my playthrough. Carl has been nothing but kind to me, stern, but kind. I just feel like He's getting a bad wrap for no reason.

 

[harsha_26]

not in my playthrough. Carl has been nothing but kind to me, stern, but kind. I just feel like He's getting a bad wrap for no reason.

I don't know what path you played, but i played both good & corrupted non-ntr paths, & i will still say I hate guy & you hear the same from most of non-ntr players too.

 

[gregers]

not in my playthrough. Carl has been nothing but kind to me, stern, but kind. I just feel like He's getting a bad wrap for no reason.

Rather than introducing a new character, the dev has Carl essentially fulfill three separate functions: mentor, mid-level antagonist, and NTR villain. There are strengths and weaknesses to this approach (keeps the cast more managable, for one thing), but it does mean you will see radically different sides to his personality depending on your choices.

No matter what path you take, Carl starts the game repeatedly threatening the MC's family and loved ones. Some may read this as being stern, others may take it at face value.

 

[DA22]

Rather than introducing a new character, the dev has Carl essentially fulfill three separate functions: mentor, mid-level antagonist, and NTR villain. There are strengths and weaknesses to this approach (keeps the cast more managable, for one thing), but it does mean you will see radically different sides to his personality depending on your choices.

No matter what path you take, Carl starts the game repeatedly threatening the MC's family and loved ones. Some may read this as being stern, others may take it at face value.

Not forgetting those who once saw the original scene with Carl and know it will come back on the NTRpath likely will either never trust him or are waiting for the scene to return with baited breath.

 

[harsha_26]

Not forgetting those who once saw the original scene with Carl and know it will come back on the NTRpath likely will either never trust him or are waiting for the scene to return with baited breath.

I didn't seen yet i assumed he is some type of NTR villain. I mean, he is BBC & threatening family, so what else would you think lol? It's open secret. He is there to cuck you if you fail. That's the big reason for non-ntr guys to hate him even thought they won't play NTR path. Fortunately MC which we are playing also thinks like us. He said something (not exactly) like "he may not be the villain, but he threatened my family. So, I want to defeat him".

 

[Chris_Prat]

You see very soon that Carl's on his own side and you cannot achieve/gain nothing. Here MC's the anti-MC (a complete loser for now). Zel's playing with both (Carl and the MC) for her own amusement, hiding from her own hunting, so both of them will be killed soon or after I guess. In all path followed I believe that Carl's the enemy to defeat even if he's your mentor (it would be this or nothing, pulling a bullet on his bold head should be the only end so he's a rat) and soon Zel should be disciplined (I hope, let me dream) for all that teasing..

 

[harsha_26]

You see very soon that Carl's on his own side and you cannot achieve/gain nothing. Here MC's the anti-MC (a complete loser for now). Zel's playing with both (Carl and the MC) for her own amusement, hiding from her own hunting, so both of them will be killed soon or after I guess. In all path followed I believe that Carl's the enemy to defeat even if he's your mentor (it would be this or nothing, pulling a bullet on his bold head should be the only end so he's a rat) and soon Zel should be disciplined (I hope, let me dream) for all that teasing..

Looks like many players want to make zel as some kind of slave for MC lol. Afterall she is the goddess of lies & corruption. So, why not use her own power against her?

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Despite what she says it seems obvious Zelphryna still wants Carl in the game: he is powerfull, smart and has lots of connections. Even if James has the potential to become her best champion doubt she will let go of the others too. She will likely continue her manipulation to keep both of them close by.

So i don't think James can outwit Zel and turn her into a sex slave. However there may be possible to build some trust there, since there are a few moments when she actually looks genuine in her reactions as noted by the protagonist.

 

[harsha_26]

Despite what she says it seems obvious Zelphryna still wants Carl in the game: he is powerfull, smart and has lots of connections. Even if James has the potential to become her best champion doubt she will let go of the others too. She will likely continue her manipulation to keep both of them close by.

So i don't think James can outwit Zel and turn her into a sex slave. However there may be possible to build some trust there, since there are a few moments when she actually looks genuine in her reactions as noted by the protagonist.

who knows what happen in future?

My Theory:

At present, I agree MC is nothing compare to carl, but MC is developing day by day, the more he go into corruption route the more he is becoming evil. In future, there may be some moments, even zel can't control MC's actions & choices. And, after that, the deeper we go, the more control we get on zel. It's obvious. Otherwise there is no meaning to "male protagonist" game which has a domination evil route. There is one scene, where we have to choice, "try to fight back", even though we didn't win, she lost some blood from nose. I don't know what does it mean, but clearly zel dont have ultimate power to mold people. She acts like she have that power, but no. That's why she won't stop some of carl actions even though she is not okay with it.

I'm saying all this in non-ntr evil mode. But yes, I think zel & MC will become some kind of lovers in NON-NTR good route. For NTR (I didn't played it because i'm not into it). But it's open secret that we all know what happens will NTR route. So many ntr games already shown what will happen to BETA CUCK MC.

 

[0011]

I updated my Unofficial Android Port to Ep4(Non-NTR) Compressed & Patched.LINK.

 

[Davner]

So the writers of this game took out the unavoidable NTR because people didn't like it?
Wow. I am not a Fan of it myself but seems like Sonic the Hedgehog movie complaining

 

[Raziel_8]

I like the update as well as if had netori, I don't give a shit! I mean it sincerely. Good renders and animations.

I think u mean netorare, i don't think i ever saw complains because of netori.
The renders are good, there aren't much animations thought.

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= 5919 votes...!? Ook..

----> 559 likes in the main post.
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I think we all understand that this poll is not worth shit.

Some people's lives have to be really boring and sad.

And why does the poll mean shit ? Do u know why the dev even made it.

I forget to like many games i played, that doesn't mean much.

Many games which try to appeal non ntr & ntr playerbase have a difficulties to get supporters. Ntr base is more niche, many from the non ntr base won't support anything with ntr for varius reasons, like don't want to pay if they will never see half of the game, slow progress because ntr/non ntr updates in alternation...