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Gina: $5 gift cards are neutral and grant entertainment

Becky: Big Rock items ,Money is economy magazine items

All of them don't work
 
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Gina: $5 gift cards are neutral and grant entertainment

Becky: Big Rock items ,Money is economy magazine items

All of them don't work
Ho do you mean "don't work" they don't grant the skill points or they don't like the conversation?

Because with the bans and interests of each girl, you have to be specific unless it's the red to yellow gradient then it's general.

For example if she has an interest as "Uptight" a conversation with "chores" or "order" won't make her happy... even if all three would give order points.
 

kknd439439

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Ho do you mean "don't work" they don't grant the skill points or they don't like the conversation?

Because with the bans and interests of each girl, you have to be specific unless it's the red to yellow gradient then it's general.

For example if she has an interest as "Uptight" a conversation with "chores" or "order" won't make her happy... even if all three would give order points.
don't grant the skill points

Walkthrough is says it will be given
 

memelman

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Nah, the dev can be pretty obstinate about the way he wants to do things. I'm not saying there isn't a chance but it's pretty low he'd do that unless something's changed since I last played this.

For me, I'd want to just see a lot more archetypes for each character and the ability to just buy a car or house. You get inklings of what's to come for future archetypes based on what we have now which is why I'd most look forward to a vast expansion of that.
The last few updates have been hit by lots of technical issues and technical debt, and he still seems to be wanting to add in new mechanics. Or at least new stats to keep track of.

I think, sadly, there is a good chance he is reaching the limits of what he can do regarding adding new gameplay mechanics with the way it is currently implemented.

Which would probably lead to one of two courses of action.

1.) Stop trying to add in new mechanics and just focus on building out content using the existing mechanics.
2.) Start over and try to implement it in a better way for the existing and planned mechanics.

I think this game has long reached the point where the focus should be on just creating new content and refining the existing mechanics and UI, but the developer has historically always continuously added new mechanics throughout development until a game becomes too difficult to continue developing for and then eventually abandons it in favor of a rework or sequel.

That is the story of his games so far, none of which have reached completion.
 
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don't grant the skill points

Walkthrough is says it will be given
Can you see their stats yet?

Initially they go up to around 10 or 20 before you can see the number and then it gets less pale until it reaches 100.

They also have to like the conversation overall for them to gain skill points. (Typically two positive topics and one neutral).
 

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Gina: Cool Sister Can't change - Entertainment is still at 80%.

Cool Sister Popular Sister Stop at - Becky is still stuck at money 0
I think you are misunderstanding what he is asking for. He is asking for three things to try to troubleshoot if there is something actually wrong, or if there is some game mechanic (such as a failed conversation or banned topic being used in the conversation) that is supposed to result in no experience gain for an interest.

1.) What are the three conversation topics you are trying to use for these instances where they aren't gaining any exp in an interest?

2.) What is the overall conversation score you are getting at the end of the conversation?

3.) What is their current AT?
 
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I think you are misunderstanding what he is asking for. He is asking for three things to try to troubleshoot if there is something actually wrong, or if there is some game mechanic (such as a failed conversation or banned topic being used in the conversation) that is supposed to result in no experience gain for an interest.

1.) What are the three conversation topics you are trying to use for these instances where they aren't gaining any exp in an interest?

2.) What is the overall conversation score you are getting at the end of the conversation?

3.) What is their current AT?


It's quick to tell you what conversations are available...
I say Gina hasn't changed yet
Becky can't go from influencer to people

The storyline involving Becky's money in particular is not effective.
 
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It's quick to tell you what conversations are available...
I say Gina hasn't changed yet
Becky can't go from influencer to people

The storyline involving Becky's money in particular is not effective.
I'm doing a replay at the moment and I haven't run into any issues.

Are you getting an overall positive result?
It's the red or green number that shows up over the conversation. You want it to be positive... if you've got Becky to Influencer you've obviously changed her a few times.

To clear up, it's just that you aren't getting skill ups from using magazines in conversation. Are you just giving them gift cards and not other conversation topics that they actually like?
 

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The last few updates have been hit by lots of technical issues and technical debt, and he still seems to be wanting to add in new mechanics. Or at least new stats to keep track of.

I think, sadly, there is a good chance he is reaching the limits of what he can do regarding adding new gameplay mechanics with the way it is currently implemented.

Which would probably lead to one of two courses of action.

1.) Stop trying to add in new mechanics and just focus on building out content using the existing mechanics.
2.) Start over and try to implement it in a better way for the existing and planned mechanics.

I think this game has long reached the point where the focus should be on just creating new content and refining the existing mechanics and UI, but the developer has historically always continuously added new mechanics throughout development until a game becomes too difficult to continue developing for and then eventually abandons it in favor of a rework or sequel.

That is the story of his games so far, none of which have reached completion.
Can you give me examples of what you mean by "new mechanics"? Based on your post, I'm starting to think I'm conflating "content" and "mechanics". I consider the new starts to be new mechanics but I'd file new ATs for characters and separate locations/items under "content".

I also think he's definitely started making steps towards refining things and adding QoL features that improves the gameplay experience. It's gradual but I've definitely seen them. Then again, I didn't fully get to play v.0.11 before I started getting busy so I haven't really explored much in the latest update.

As for the future of this game, I don't really know. He's been trudging along for years now without signs of stopping so at least that's good in the sense that maybe he'll have it finished eventually. On the other hand, I think his previous game's ending felt rushed so I'm not confident. Either way, I don't really mind I suppose. When I'll finally have time to sit down and play this in the far future, either outcome will probably have occurred. Is what I'm saying. But if it kind of stays in this kind of development cycle then ... lol idk I'll make my decision then I suppose. There's not much else I can do about it.
 

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Can you give me examples of what you mean by "new mechanics"? Based on your post, I'm starting to think I'm conflating "content" and "mechanics". I consider the new starts to be new mechanics but I'd file new ATs for characters and separate locations/items under "content".

I also think he's definitely started making steps towards refining things and adding QoL features that improves the gameplay experience. It's gradual but I've definitely seen them. Then again, I didn't fully get to play v.0.11 before I started getting busy so I haven't really explored much in the latest update.

As for the future of this game, I don't really know. He's been trudging along for years now without signs of stopping so at least that's good in the sense that maybe he'll have it finished eventually. On the other hand, I think his previous game's ending felt rushed so I'm not confident. Either way, I don't really mind I suppose. When I'll finally have time to sit down and play this in the far future, either outcome will probably have occurred. Is what I'm saying. But if it kind of stays in this kind of development cycle then ... lol idk I'll make my decision then I suppose. There's not much else I can do about it.
Hacking their social media, grades, spy cams, reverting back to previous ATs with new stars, new optional starts, every time he adds some new statistic in the later ATs that you need to find a way to manipulate in order to progress through the AT, etc...

While most of these are cool features that are fun to use (sans the new statistics added just to make it more grindy), the number of them he has already added and keeps adding make the game harder and harder for Baal to develop. And the last 2 to 3 updates have all been significantly late with fewer ATs than previous updates.

And while I don't have the time or motivation to go find the direct quote, the reason the developer gave for abandoning his other game, superpowered, in favor of soft rebooting with the sequel, superpowered 2, was that it was getting to be too much effort to create new content in superpowered after all the stuff he had added to it over the years.

And don't forget that version of superpowered was already a rework of a previous version of superpowered that was in RAGS and abandoned in favor of a new engine.

His track record with what occurred with his previous games combined with the last few updates for Loser doesn't leave me optimistic. That said, it is still a great game as it is. But there are still some things I want to see happen in it, so I would be saddened if it was abandoned before they got added.
 
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kknd439439

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I'm doing a replay at the moment and I haven't run into any issues.

Are you getting an overall positive result?
It's the red or green number that shows up over the conversation. You want it to be positive... if you've got Becky to Influencer you've obviously changed her a few times.

To clear up, it's just that you aren't getting skill ups from using magazines in conversation. Are you just giving them gift cards and not other conversation topics that they actually like?
thank you

Solved with green... It was difficult, but there was another problem. What do I need to mix medications? You can't give Becky alcohol and mix her medicine. Mom too
 
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Solved with green... It was difficult, but there was another problem. What do I need to mix medications? You can't give Becky alcohol and mix her medicine. Mom too
You need enough Disorder to unlock drug dealer then you can buy drugs from Lisa at the Bar on Monday and Tuesday and unpack them so you have individual pills to slip into drinks.
 
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