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doin a new playthrough without cheating topics(man is it a grind) is there any way to get submission topics without watching fucking PEGGING porn?

also is becky the only one u can installspycam on?
I saw a spy cam option for a brief moment in Gina's room, but I never managed to install it. Maybe it's connected to one of her earlier AT's. I didn't have all the requirements then or it might've been bugged.

Did you ever figure out how to get "Clueless Sister" on Becky and "Scorned Mother" on Diane? I feel like I have all the requirements, but I cant get them to trigger. Not for lack of trying.
 

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increase, then on boozer you need to decrease, and its a BIG jump its from something like 60 to -50, considering you change it by like 4 per day the dev really wants you to grind :KEK:
So Seduction topics seemed to work on Charlie. But the Romance topics not working definitely seems like a bug. It should've worked on the same principle as why Seduction topics increase interest.

Yea, I remember that being such a big headache when I first got to that part. The dev really put in as many twists and turns he could for those two archetypes.

I think the only way is to use Submission topics. I also looked and Submission has no related sub-topics... look if you really don't want to deal with watching it then you might have to just use the cheat mod. Either spawn topics or edit her exp. I'd opt for the first option because you'll probably want to still increase your Submission exp at some point for whoever else might need it in the future.

I think the game's eventually meant to have multiple paths for each character so it'll eventually allow you the option to just simply pick a different AT path if you don't want to see certain content. But for now, that's what you have to do if you want to see anything.
 
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increase, then on boozer you need to decrease, and its a BIG jump its from something like 60 to -50, considering you change it by like 4 per day the dev really wants you to grind :KEK:
Is it really that much? Im pretty sure you can slip the blue pills, which will reduce assertiveness + certain actions that will reduce it as well. I feel like Tilley is the worst character to grind, because you can only talk to her once on Saturday and once on Sunday.

The drunk AT's dont let you talk to Diane much as well though... I think. That was definitely grindy as well.
 
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So Seduction topics seemed to work on Charlie. But the Romance topics not working definitely seems like a bug. It should've worked on the same principle as why Seduction topics increase interest.

Yea, I remember that being such a big headache when I first got to that part. The dev really put in as many twists and turns he could for those two archetypes.

I think the only way is to use Submission topics. I also looked and Submission has no related sub-topics... look if you really don't want to deal with watching it then you might have to just use the cheat mod. Either spawn topics or edit her exp. I'd opt for the first option because you'll probably want to still increase your Submission exp at some point for whoever else might need it in the future.

I think the game's eventually meant to have multiple paths for each character so it'll eventually allow you the option to just simply pick a different AT path if you don't want to see certain content. But for now, that's what you have to do if you want to see anything.
The submission part actually annoys me because there is hardly any femdom in this game and no pegging action. Yet you need to watch pegging porn to raise that topic. I am into femdom, but a lot of people playing the game aren't. So they are basically forced to watch those images of pegging to raise the submission topic. And even for people who are into pegging and femdom kinks, there is hardly any in this game. So all that grinding for no payoff. I don't think the Dev have any plan for hardcore femdom, atleast with Diane, which is disappointing since Diane is a literal muscle mommy
 

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I think the only way is to use Submission topics. I also looked and Submission has no related sub-topics... look if you really don't want to deal with watching it then you might have to just use the cheat mod. Either spawn topics
thats what i ended up doing, there might be a start that has sub too that might work
 

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The submission part actually annoys me because there is hardly any femdom in this game and no pegging action. Yet you need to watch pegging porn to raise that topic. I am into femdom, but a lot of people playing the game aren't. So they are basically forced to watch those images of pegging to raise the submission topic. And even for people who are into pegging and femdom kinks, there is hardly any in this game. So all that grinding for no payoff. I don't think the Dev have any plan for hardcore femdom, atleast with Diane, which is disappointing since Diane is a literal muscle mommy
Maybe later on when more AT paths are created (assuming the dev keeps going with the project).
He had stated previously that the current paths he's working on are mostly their "Vanilla" AT paths but "Vanilla" as in just not leaning too far either way with dom or sub. (Jesse seems to be an exception.) So basically, if all things remain constant then you may get the Diane Dom path you want eventually. Even if takes years.

thats what i ended up doing, there might be a start that has sub too that might work
Possibly. I just came back to this game and I'm thoroughly gathering all the information I can about it because it doesn't matter whether I find things myself through exploration when I'm just going to forget a lot of details when I play it again. It just doesn't make sense for people to retain that much information for months and months. Of course, you're going to want a good walkthrough at some point or at least take notes so you don't have to waste time "rediscovering" everything all over again.

If not now, I could see a sub start being something for the future. Although, based on the dev's old replies, my guess is that he won't do something like that until he starts developing actual Dom paths.
 

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Possibly. I just came back to this game and I'm thoroughly gathering all the information I can about it because it doesn't matter whether I find things myself through exploration when I'm just going to forget a lot of details when I play it again. It just doesn't make sense for people to retain that much information for months and months. Of course, you're going to want a good walkthrough at some point or at least take notes so you don't have to waste time "rediscovering" everything all over again.
if you are writing a walkthrough please post it here later and include times and requirements on for scenes at each AT with requirements for example if you have immoral skill leveled you can spy on the early AT becky cuz she doesn't lock her door at night which is something i definately missed in my first playthrough and the wiki thing linked here does have some of them but doesn't mention any scenes that earlier on in the game, they start mentioning scenes on later content like boozer diane and impressionable sister becky
 
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Maybe later on when more AT paths are created (assuming the dev keeps going with the project).
He had stated previously that the current paths he's working on are mostly their "Vanilla" AT paths but "Vanilla" as in just not leaning too far either way with dom or sub. (Jesse seems to be an exception.) So basically, if all things remain constant then you may get the Diane Dom path you want eventually. Even if takes years.


Possibly. I just came back to this game and I'm thoroughly gathering all the information I can about it because it doesn't matter whether I find things myself through exploration when I'm just going to forget a lot of details when I play it again. It just doesn't make sense for people to retain that much information for months and months. Of course, you're going to want a good walkthrough at some point or at least take notes so you don't have to waste time "rediscovering" everything all over again.

If not now, I could see a sub start being something for the future. Although, based on the dev's old replies, my guess is that he won't do something like that until he starts developing actual Dom paths.
See, that's the issue: the game already has too many ATs and topics and shit. Look at how much time he took to try and fix the game. It is still buggy, despite his efforts. He is also working on superpowered. That's another game with too much things going on. So God knows when he would work on loser again. Which is a shame because despite all the bugs and the grind, I do like this game. Maybe it's the mental masochist in me, but i actually enjoy the grind. But when all the grind gives no result, it annoys me. I couldn't get the immediagram AT on Becky and now I can't get scorned mother AT on Diane. Forget the new things, the old things aren't working that smoothly either
 

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if you are writing a walkthrough please post it here later and include times and requirements on for scenes at each AT with requirements for example if you have immoral skill leveled you can spy on the early AT becky cuz she doesn't lock her door at night which is something i definately missed in my first playthrough and the wiki thing linked here does have some of them but doesn't mention any scenes that earlier on in the game, they start mentioning scenes on later content like boozer diane and impressionable sister becky
Yea, I'm going to try to record and organize as much as possible. It's proving kind of annoying because any useful information is few and far between. There's the incomplete walkthrough, the incomplete wiki, previous notes I took, the tutorial, and then this thread which really is mostly:
- people complaining about the game
- people defending the dev to the point where it gets kinda gross
- people asking the same dumb questions over and over again ("Where are the save files? How do I play this game? If you're someone who managed to figure out how the conversation system works on your own, I don't think you're smart I just think everyone else is dumb. It's not that complicated. It's the various and unexpected transformation/scene requirements that gave me a hard time.)
- posts where no one is sure whether it's a bug or it's some crazy, hidden requirement
- people asking questions about the same really ATs that are really complicated (Boozer Mother, how the hell does Dominance/Submission work, etc.)
- sometimes a few pages of blatant off-topic discussion which is ... weird but whatever. If the dev's cool with it, it's whatever.
Then the last 10% is actually something useful and new.

It might take a week or two, honestly. Plus, it might not have absolutely everything because I'll eventually have to take a look at the code itself and decipher what the hell I'm looking at to really get everything. But I'll definitely try to make note of all the scenes since that's kind of half the point of the game.

See, that's the issue: the game already has too many ATs and topics and shit. Look at how much time he took to try and fix the game. It is still buggy, despite his efforts. He is also working on superpowered. That's another game with too much things going on. So God knows when he would work on loser again. Which is a shame because despite all the bugs and the grind, I do like this game. Maybe it's the mental masochist in me, but i actually enjoy the grind. But when all the grind gives no result, it annoys me. I couldn't get the immediagram AT on Becky and now I can't get scorned mother AT on Diane. Forget the new things, the old things aren't working that smoothly either
I'm honestly okay with waiting. I don't really care. As long as he keeps working on it, I'll keep playing it. Unless people stop making cheat mods for it and I haven't learned C# by the time to make my own. I can't imagine playing without a cheat mod, even if you don't install with the intention of cheating it just becomes so crucial as a workaround for potential bugs in the game until the bug is found and patched. It also just turns into a much more casual game when I don't have to constantly worry about Stamina, Focus, etc which allows me to more freely explore (since that's the other point of the game).

I also get tired of the constant bugs but to be fair, it's a pretty complex system he's built. I like the game because it's a break from the soppy VNs with the same bitchboi MC and the same cringeass story. It feels like an actual game but casual and I actually like coming up with strategies to change ATs and see scenes as efficiently as possible. The dev's also come a LONG WAY with Quality of Life features. It was so painful a few years ago: memory leaks, transitions took forever, had to click-click-click on your mouse to do anything even more so than now, the list goes on.

I just kind of see bugs as just inevitable in a system this complex so I try to take it in stride (while also using the cheat mod to workaround some issues). Although those bugs are kind of getting in the way of me writing a walkthrough because I'm thinking, "Did the dev change this aspect of the game, was it always like this and I'm just misremembering, or is this a bug?"

I personallly would like to see more variety in the ATs, cars, houses, locations and see his complete vision come to fruition. This game has a lot of potential, I've never really seen anything like it except I guess maybe his other game, Superpowered.
 
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Yea, I'm going to try to record and organize as much as possible. It's proving kind of annoying because any useful information is few and far between. There's the incomplete walkthrough, the incomplete wiki, previous notes I took, the tutorial, and then this thread which really is mostly:
- people complaining about the game
- people defending the dev to the point where it gets kinda gross
- people asking the same dumb questions over and over again ("Where are the save files? How do I play this game? If you're someone who managed to figure out how the conversation system works on your own, I don't think you're smart I just think everyone else is dumb. It's not that complicated. It's the various and unexpected transformation/scene requirements that gave me a hard time.)
- posts where no one is sure whether it's a bug or it's some crazy, hidden requirement
- people asking questions about the same really ATs that are really complicated (Boozer Mother, how the hell does Dominance/Submission work, etc.)
- sometimes a few pages of blatant off-topic discussion which is ... weird but whatever. If the dev's cool with it, it's whatever.
Then the last 10% is actually something useful and new.

It might take a week or two, honestly. Plus, it might not have absolutely everything because I'll eventually have to take a look at the code itself and decipher what the hell I'm looking at to really get everything. But I'll definitely try to make note of all the scenes since that's kind of half the point of the game.


I'm honestly okay with waiting. I don't really care. As long as he keeps working on it, I'll keep playing it. Unless people stop making cheat mods for it and I haven't learned C# by the time to make my own. I can't imagine playing without a cheat mod, even if you don't install with the intention of cheating it just becomes so crucial as a workaround for potential bugs in the game until the bug is found and patched. It also just turns into a much more casual game when I don't have to constantly worry about Stamina, Focus, etc which allows me to more freely explore (since that's the other point of the game).

I also get tired of the constant bugs but to be fair, it's a pretty complex system he's built. I like the game because it's a break from the soppy VNs with the same bitchboi MC and the same cringeass story. It feels like an actual game but casual and I actually like coming up with strategies to change ATs and see scenes as efficiently as possible. The dev's also come a LONG WAY with Quality of Life features. It was so painful a few years ago: memory leaks, transitions took forever, had to click-click-click on your mouse to do anything even more so than now, the list goes on.

I just kind of see bugs as just inevitable in a system this complex so I try to take it in stride (while also using the cheat mod to workaround some issues). Although those bugs are kind of getting in the way of me writing a walkthrough because I'm thinking, "Did the dev change this aspect of the game, was it always like this and I'm just misremembering, or is this a bug?"

I personallly would like to see more variety in the ATs, cars, houses, locations and see his complete vision come to fruition. This game has a lot of potential, I've never really seen anything like it except I guess maybe his other game, Superpowered.
I'm afraid of using the cheat mod because I fear it would become worse than before. Like for instance, many others got the immediagram sister AT, but I didn't. I followed their instructions and also posted the pic on this site. The game is so unpredictable that a fix for one might be a game breaking bug for another. Like you said, bugs are inevitable. It doesnt help that the hints are also incomplete. Writing a walkthrough for this game is also a herculean task. Which might be why we don't have a proper walkthrough for the later parts
 

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Writing a walkthrough for this game is also a herculean task. Which might be why we don't have a proper walkthrough for the later parts
Nah. I'm going to write one. I'm pretty tired of taking a break from the game, forgetting everything, then having to relearn all the crazy-ass twists and turns. After looking at my old notes, I don't think I was that far off from getting a good amount of the details during my first attempt. Actually, one of the reasons why I gave up was because the one who was making the mod decided to stop updating it and there was just no way I was going to play this game without one. But then selectivepaperclip came in out of nowhere as soon as V.0.12 was released with a mod and I naturally came back. I don't have as much time as I used to (and I'm certainly biting myself in the ass right now by putting my free time into this) but I just really want to get this walkthrough done.

I don't necessarily think the mod would continue to break things as long as you more or less understand what not to cheat in this game. Examples of how to use it could be:
- If there's a bug at the Party scene and you're stuck (this was a problem): The mod had a function to just transport you back to your room so you wouldn't have to just close the game and lose all your progress.

- If there's a bug with a character's AT transformation (many instances): Just use the mod to change the AT. You'll miss the transformation scene but until the bug is fixed, you'll be able to move on with the game.

- If you suddenly realize you need another Skill maxed out because of some weird requirement or bug: Don't give yourself exp because the way Skills rank up is kind of funky and won't properly rank up if you just spam exp (Don't ask me, I don't remember the details. I just know it's complicated.). What I do is just spawn topics with that tag and keep burning them until I reach the desired rank with that tag.

Every thing the cheat mod does is opt-in or toggleable.

You could start with none of the QoL features and toggle more on as you go / get more annoyed
Hey, man. Thanks for continuing the passed-down tradition of updating this mod.

Quick question. I saw that some options were causing some trouble with the gameplay and I ran into a bug myself. Charlie's Interest wouldn't go up with Romantic topics and would only increase with Seduction topics. Is it at all possible that the source of the problem is the mod or is it more likely that it's a bug in the game? I've used previous iterations of this mod before and I've rarely encountered issues but I just want to narrow down what the cause might be just on the very slim off-chance.

For all I know, it could've been intentional by Baal for whatever reason. But I don't think I'm remembering wrong since I've seen mentions of it in older replies on this thread, the old walkthrough, and even my previous notes on my first attempt at writing a walkthrough.

Either way, it was thanks to the mod that I was able to save HOURS of gameplay. So no matter what, thank you.
 
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Quick question. I saw that some options were causing some trouble with the gameplay and I ran into a bug myself. Charlie's Interest wouldn't go up with Romantic topics and would only increase with Seduction topics.
I don't think the mod does anything to fool around with which topics have what effects on who. The only ways I know it fools with interest is in letting you directly edit a given character's interest.

But I didn't code 90% of what's there, so there could still be some state manipulation lurking that worked in an earlier version but messes things up now. Or some flag that doesn't get set when manually changing ATs, or who knows what.

Personally I gave up on the topics system a couple hours into playing this version, and just simply bumped up all the characters interests with the mod when appropriate. As my human body decays, the idea of meticulously setting up the exact topics for each character's conversations just to gain ~10exp a week when you need 50+ in multiple interests just doesn't appeal. Considering even once you go through that grind, you might hit another bug or hidden condition.

The content of the game is good though!
 

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How can we get Becky to the "Clueless Sister" AT?
I tried various combinations of vodka, joint, and pink pills. But in the end, the result was that Becky got drunk and passed out. I took her home.
I have already seen Jay and Becky flirting in the screen. but "offer drugs" still a separate scene of Jay
Do I need to change to bisexual?
 

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How can we get Becky to the "Clueless Sister" AT?
I tried various combinations of vodka, joint, and pink pills. But in the end, the result was that Becky got drunk and passed out. I took her home.
I have already seen Jay and Becky flirting in the screen. but "offer drugs" still a separate scene of Jay
Do I need to change to bisexual?
It's bugged, many people have this problem, tried every combination but no dice. So if you want to advance either you cheat, or wait for bug fix, better to cheat imo, because there are no confirmation on it's being fix or not, and there are tons for game breaking bug.
 

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I can't transform resigned to jilted mother. I have deceptive topic, took a photo of father, interest 10 and lust 60. I can only join her or leave in the living room at 23:00. Is there a hidden requirement? Please help...
You need to have both deceptive and evidence(blackmail) topic in ur hotbar on monday
 
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It's bugged, many people have this problem, tried every combination but no dice. So if you want to advance either you cheat, or wait for bug fix, better to cheat imo, because there are no confirmation on it's being fix or not, and there are tons for game breaking bug.
Does the cheat work on Linux?
 
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