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I knew it
Initially, I wanted you to discover which paths are available in what way but I think I have to elaborate more on Beckys paths.Good, the more conscious you become of the way we see things the better you will be able to cater to our desires
Although beware, if you spent too much time studying monsters you might find you will become a monster yourself. (Evil laughter)
Yeah the only way I might cause you harm is by coming of as too critical or demanding about LaS, in which case I sincerely apologize.
I am interested in your perspective about a more direct approach to 'break' the girls. How do you envision this? It seems very tricky to me to be too direct in acting like an asshole because what is stopping the girls to go to the police or find some way to ban you out of their lives?
It also seems funny an interesting to me how even people who enjoy the 'darker' kind of content still can have all kinds of preferences that are different from each other. It just shows again how complicated and individual people and their sexuality are.
So is the corruption path meant to be the darkest path? Correct me if I'm wrong but I am getting the impression you @veqvil are not personally that much into sadistic content and therefore you might misunderstand what people like about it. For me this kind of content is not about hatred for another person and it is also not about a lack of caring about them but is is primary about suffering and fetishizing both physical and emotional suffering. I know I might risk like a 13-year old self-mutilating emo teenager here but I believe there can be a great amount of beauty found in pain and suffering and for me this kind of content should be about showcasing this beauty. So if the MC is a sadist he would not want to cause harm to the girls because he hates them or feels anger towards them but simply because he enjoys seeing other people suffer (mixed with a sexual component).
Sadism is about taking something that is 'whole' and 'good' in some ways and slowly breaking this. To make of the strong the weak, of those who are filled with joy those who are filled with sadness, of those who care those who are apathetic, of the beautiful the ugly. Because in it's own special way ugliness is more beautiful than beauty could ever be.
The corruption path is more about, letting Becky fall into the arms of bad people who make use of her desperate and demolished state. She lost all hope and doesn't care anymore about who or what she is together with. I'm looking at the gang of course which will start making use of her. Obviously, the spec benefitting most of this path and also allows you to see her getting "used" by 2 or more people at the same time is the tech spec. (Break into her apartment, install cameras, hack her laptop bla bla." So it's more for people who enjoy spectating a very "filled" scene with one girl amidst this chaos XD
Picking the fit spec allows you to acquire a gang which will come in handy later and allows special scenes as well. Also once you get access to the gym club you are sort of entering an Alpha-male world, where the strongest get to **** the hottest girls, a gang could be very helpful here but that's something that has to wait once I'm far enough XD.
If you went for the psy spec you will be able to get her on the submission path, which is the path a member of TTDS would pick as it sets the base for some sadistic fantasies with her. Don't get me wrong, the main goal is to turn her into a submissive pet, but there are different ways to achieve that. You play with her hopes and dreams and therefore give her an illusion of forgiveness. You can punish her, reward her and as nearly all submission paths you go through a training program with that character XD.
The thing with Becky is the amount of emotional suffering coming from simply ignoring her since she is holding onto you as much as she can. Personally, I love seeing all extremes of emotional states and that's the reason I named this project Love and Submission. The goal here is to offer a contrast between an entirely romantic relationship (trust, respect, happiness, safety) and a relationship where you take total control over a character but also cause her emotions to run crazy (jealousy, fear, desperation, "happiness"). Sadistic elements to me are seeing/causing a character to panic, have emotional breakdowns and begging.
But I also enjoy the egocentric aspect of it, I want a character to shake about every decision the player makes, and cry and beg when the MC decides to ignore her for 1 day. Dialogue options are going to sound like this:
Becky: "No please! I'm sorry... I didn't want to drop it... I..."
options:
"Leave and ignore her": Becky goes on her knees and begs for another chance while you close the door behind you
"Punish her": You let her wear her special "pants" which stimulate her, but not enough to come,
you check back on her after a few hours
"Spanking": You start spanking her, but you also notice her to start getting wet from every spank.
This is just an example and all just speculative, but that's how I would do it at least with my current experience, mood, and skills.
I would never implement something I don't find at least interesting myself. That would be just boring and I also wouldn't do this or that fetish justice. But I'm somewhat new to this porn game world, and being open-minded and willing to explore is always more fun
. What I also found interesting is having another character being the dominant one e.g one of my patrons was (accidentally) saying something like Becky being submissive to Carol and I totally liked the idea. But there is just too much I could do while playing god in my own universe (MUAHAHA).
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Don't worry, you will see quite a lot of her since I have to promote her a little more, as being the newest addition to LaS
I would name you the defender of ... But I can't since that would be some kind of spoiler xD
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Dude this one is perfect XD!
I like the idea too, but I actually had something similar like this planned, just not with Carol XD
Well, I don't mind crusaders, as they want to share their fascination, but I don't really listen to any forceful comment, saying this and that is just inferior. I'm really lucky to have such awesome people in this thread who share their thoughts and ideas in very Dev friendly manner@veqvil You've got balls, man! Salute! I hope that some local forum crusaders won't discourage you from your visions
. The members of TTDS are a perfect example of how a DEV loves reading their ideas and thoughts, even though they are some sort of crusaders (or rather menacing assassins XD, also help... @n0b0dy and @Someguy01 want to kill me! Pun intended :test
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i am crusader, i don't like sharing, etc, bu bu bu bu . I said it out loud? sorry, don't mind me.
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Don't worry, if you don't like sharing I totally got you covered xD (also going with the gang, does not force you into sharing!!!)
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I think it is awesome you take the time to respond so comprehensively to a @n0b0dy like me. I think is nice to be able to exchange thoughts about the game and fetishes the way we do here so thank you for that!I knew it
Initially, I wanted you to discover which paths are available in what way but I think I have to elaborate more on Beckys paths.
The corruption path is more about, letting Becky fall into the arms of bad people who make use of her desperate and demolished state. She lost all hope and doesn't care anymore about who or what she is together with. I'm looking at the gang of course which will start making use of her. Obviously, the spec benefitting most of this path and also allows you to see her getting "used" by 2 or more people at the same time is the tech spec. (Break into her apartment, install cameras, hack her laptop bla bla." So it's more for people who enjoy spectating a very "filled" scene with one girl amidst this chaos XD
Picking the fit spec allows you to acquire a gang which will come in handy later and allows special scenes as well. Also once you get access to the gym club you are sort of entering an Alpha-male world, where the strongest get to **** the hottest girls, a gang could be very helpful here but that's something that has to wait once I'm far enough XD.
If you went for the psy spec you will be able to get her on the submission path, which is the path a member of TTDS would pick as it sets the base for some sadistic fantasies with her. Don't get me wrong, the main goal is to turn her into a submissive pet, but there are different ways to achieve that. You play with her hopes and dreams and therefore give her an illusion of forgiveness. You can punish her, reward her and as nearly all submission paths you go through a training program with that character XD.
There are not many games that do cater to those who like sadism in their porn. Even in most games that feature rape or humiliation the girls will at some point start to enjoy it or transform in an 'empty shell'. For a sadist this is when the fun ends. I wonder if the people who play games where there is 'consensual rape' are the same who drink alcohol-free beer and listen to hard-rock on the lowest volume
ensive: So there really are not many games where the suffering of the girls is a main fetish, especially not from non-Japanese developers. I think this is why many members of TTDS are enthusiastic about this game since there is some potential here for 'darker' content that other games do not have. I do really hope you don't feel pressured to put anything in your game you don't really want though, we simply like 'twisted sadistic' content and feel the need to express our passion and love for it here, that's all.So about the routes for Becky you have named here. I always like to play as a creep in these kind of games. (For some strange reason I find it easier to identify with characters who act like giant creeps). So the creeping around and hacking computers with the tech spec seemed like the funnest route to me before I had read your descriptions. It might be a bit too passive tough from what I read and I don't really like mindbreak (where the girl becomes an 'empty shell', loses her personality and does not care about anything anymore so I fear this route might not be for me. I do like the idea of her being used by some degenerates though.
The fit spec is probably not for me since I do not care about the 'alfa male' archetype. I know a lot of good folks do though.
That leaves the psy spec which seems like the best route for me now. You are describing this route should appeal the most to TTDS-members so that is promising. I wonder if you could elaborate (without spoiling to much of course) what the 'powers' of the MC will be. Will it be like a manipulation thing where the MC uses understanding of the girls minds into hurting/changing them or will it be more like DOD where the MC 'overwrites' the girls personalities?
It is interesting you say "you take total control over her". This control fetish is something I see a lot on this site, the most extreme example is through mind-controlling drugs. Personally I am too much of an control-freak IRL but I always think it is much satisfying when you don't control a girl to do things but she does things out of her own free will. (In the same way a prostitute who needs the money she earns to stile alive. She does not really have much of a choice but at the same time she does). But seeing how popular a game like DoD is I guess there are a lot of people who like to fully dominate the wills of the girls. Panic, emotional breakdowns and begging are all symptoms of pain and resistance so yeah, those are great :biggrin:
Yeah, sadism is a very egocentric fetish. It certainly is not about the pleasure or happiness of others! :evilsmile:
An artist should always create from the heart and never something he/she does not feel any passion for. I am glad to see you say you will follow your own path, finding your own way is one of the greatest pleasures life has to offer.This is just an example and all just speculative, but that's how I would do it at least with my current experience, mood, and skills.
I would never implement something I don't find at least interesting myself. That would be just boring and I also wouldn't do this or that fetish justice. But I'm somewhat new to this porn game world, and being open-minded and willing to explore is always more fun
So yeah just my thoughts.
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Too lateThis sounds amazing, but I'm working on the grain already while writing new "code"
here is a patch i made for v0.03.1 which takes away some of the grain from the images, it's only a very light treatment as i did all the images in batch so the difference is small but it does help, for now until you update the images.And on that note since i have went through the images i will say that hr_xxx and pp_xxx are the worst effected out of all the images and need redone if you don't mind me saying that but i know you're working on it but for now here is my patch for anyone who wants it.
Just rename game\archive.rpa to archive.rpa_orig (or replace it) then extract my .7z into the root of the game directory (the .7z already extracts file to game folder):
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"All i have to say now is:" clap clap clap ... xD You trollHi, @veqvil
Just played v. 0.03.1 and i really liked! :FeelsGoodMan:
I'm glad you're doing this project and I wish you luck and success with it.
I'll definitely support this one, but i will need some time to make sure you will stay true to your project.
We have soooo many devs here that completelly changes their games after drop a v0.something and starts to get a lot of "sugestions" about the story, game mechanics...
I will play this game again to try all the different paths and give you a proper and less emotional feedback, because i think your game deserves. All i have to say now is:
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What can I say team carol for ever
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Why would I not reply to an awesome @n0b0dy like you?I think it is awesome you take the time to respond so comprehensively to a @n0b0dy like me. I think is nice to be able to exchange thoughts about the game and fetishes the way we do here so thank you for that!
There are not many games that do cater to those who like sadism in their porn. Even in most games that feature rape or humiliation the girls will at some point start to enjoy it or transform in an 'empty shell'. For a sadist this is when the fun ends. I wonder if the people who play games where there is 'consensual rape' are the same who drink alcohol-free beer and listen to hard-rock on the lowest volume
So about the routes for Becky you have named here. I always like to play as a creep in these kind of games. (For some strange reason I find it easier to identify with characters who act like giant creeps). So the creeping around and hacking computers with the tech spec seemed like the funnest route to me before I had read your descriptions. It might be a bit too passive tough from what I read and I don't really like mindbreak (where the girl becomes an 'empty shell', loses her personality and does not care about anything anymore so I fear this route might not be for me. I do like the idea of her being used by some degenerates though.
The fit spec is probably not for me since I do not care about the 'alfa male' archetype. I know a lot of good folks do though.
That leaves the psy spec which seems like the best route for me now. You are describing this route should appeal the most to TTDS-members so that is promising. I wonder if you could elaborate (without spoiling to much of course) what the 'powers' of the MC will be. Will it be like a manipulation thing where the MC uses understanding of the girls minds into hurting/changing them or will it be more like DOD where the MC 'overwrites' the girls personalities?
It is interesting you say "you take total control over her". This control fetish is something I see a lot on this site, the most extreme example is through mind-controlling drugs. Personally I am too much of an control-freak IRL but I always think it is much satisfying when you don't control a girl to do things but she does things out of her own free will. (In the same way a prostitute who needs the money she earns to stile alive. She does not really have much of a choice but at the same time she does). But seeing how popular a game like DoD is I guess there are a lot of people who like to fully dominate the wills of the girls. Panic, emotional breakdowns and begging are all symptoms of pain and resistance so yeah, those are great :biggrin:
Yeah, sadism is a very egocentric fetish. It certainly is not about the pleasure or happiness of others! :evilsmile:
An artist should always create from the heart and never something he/she does not feel any passion for. I am glad to see you say you will follow your own path, finding your own way is one of the greatest pleasures life has to offer.
So yeah just my thoughts.
Well to address the point regarding the submission path, I can't say for sure how it will end up affecting the character, the MC could turn them into mindless slaves or make the characters craving for something you as the player made them addicted to and therefore have the control. Thinking about it I kinda prefer the last one since it doesn't numb down the individual aspect of a personality
. The way how the MC will be able to get his hands around (pun intended) one character/neck varies strongly, IMHO there is no realistic approach anyways but it would be even more unrealistic if there's one secret method to start out with every character and it works (Hypnosis, A magic spell bla bla). This means that the MC has to figure out each characters weak-spot/trigger/desire/blabla and make use of it in a smart way. Once you have a lose grip of someone I find it easier to condition/train them into whatever you want them to be. All in all the game is at patch 0.03 of which 0.01 was more like an image preview than anything xD. What I want to say is that I have so much more to learn (compared to some other devs whose first versions simply make me look stupid as they are so much better and way more mature) and it's hard for me to say anything that can be certain except that I will strive for improvement (was going to say perfection but perfection takes way to much time, and I don't want to have gray hair before I see this project in the final form xD)! The other thing I'm also sure about are fundamental elements I always try to stick to: Offering a reasonable amount of options, trying to make each path fun, unique and interesting and also aiming for realistic thinking/behaving/responding characters (which doesn't mean I exclude fantastical things in this game, but if I do, I will try to make them explainable
, I mean I could implement a werewolf and still try to tell his story in a realistic way.) Nonetheless, thank you for your post @n0b0dy! I'm really happy that you are part of this thread and discussing and replying to a @n0b0dy is always fun xDDude thank you so much for the time and work you invested! Looking through it it seems that using the blur can help with those really bad renders! Also, I totally agree with you on the hr (hero room) and the pp (pizza place) renders, they look nasty and I really want o work on them. I also wanted to rework the whole Pizzaplace scene as I find the environment and lighting feel really awkward. But that's roughly 120 renders my slow ass pc has to render out xD.Too late
And on that note since i have went through the images i will say that hr_xxx and pp_xxx are the worst effected out of all the images and need redone if you don't mind me saying that but i know you're working on it but for now here is my patch for anyone who wants it.
Just rename game\archive.rpa to archive.rpa_orig (or replace it) then extract my .7z into the root of the game directory (the .7z already extracts file to game folder):
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I want to thank you again for your work OH mighty defender of Amy! xD
Team Carol is absolutely the biggest team, but I still suspect that it's based on the fact that you have seen most of her so far (or maybe it's just the waist to hip ratio and also:boobs dunno xD)
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@veqvil your welcome, i was gonna go into more depth and make them better but since you mentioned you were gonna improve them yourself anyway i just did them all at the same time using a batch process so i just added some blur then added a touch of sharpness in after just to help it out.
as for the hr and pp scenes they needed a second pass however because of the condition they started off at there wasn't too much i could do in one go but i appreciate the kind words.
as for the hr and pp scenes they needed a second pass however because of the condition they started off at there wasn't too much i could do in one go but i appreciate the kind words.
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Geez @RazorX the only one who has to appreciate anything is me, to have someone like you for even thinking about helping me out!
I wish I would have discord now to properly thank you for that (Thanking through messages feels just so unpersonal
) Having stuff coming from the forum always knocks me out e.g @GaLaLa05 walkthrough So cheers mate and I will definitely look into "killing the grain in this game" (hip-hop career incoming... so bye bye LaS xD)
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@veqvil Well, I found this game a while ago, and I fucking love the Amy model. I don't like to pledge early to a game until the dev proves they can hit release dates on time while still putting out quality content, so I was planning on following the game for a few months before pledging to it. But I really appreciate how active you are on the boards, how much your enthusiasm for the project really shows, and I'm really looking forward to more of this game, so I've decided to just go ahead and pledge right now. I look forward to the next update and I really hope you keep up the good work. Thanks.
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if you do decide to setup a discord channel shoot me a message and i would love to join it and if i can help in anyway let me know, i have a pretty decent and silent pc i could easily leave runningGeez @RazorX the only one who has to appreciate anything is me, to have someone like you for even thinking about helping me out!
I wish I would have discord now to properly thank you for that (Thanking through messages feels just so unpersonal
So cheers mate and I will definitely look into "killing the grain in this game" (hip-hop career incoming... so bye bye LaS XD)
it takes 2secs to setup a discord channel btw and its free but im guessing you already know that also i am a admin and moderator on several discord channels so i would be happy to help out on that front too, it would be a pleasure.
hell i could set one up for you if you want i could have it done before you post a reply haha
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Thank you so much for your support!
Also thank you for your trust in me, I will try my best to not disappoint .Regarding release dates I actually have learned one (of many) lessons from releasing 0.03, I was able to upload it on time BUT not in the quality I wanted (That's why there is a 0.03.1 with fewer bugs etc). To avoid the chaos from last time I make sure to release only if I'm satisfied with the release. The plan for 0.04 is to release it by the end of this month, but since I have no idea If that's enough time or not I posted a DEV news to talk about potentially falling into the beginning of January. I rather plan ahead to much time and release earlier than the other way round
.Again thank you for actually supporting me! I will do my best!
Also I'm glad that Team Amy got another member Thank you for offering help again and also knowing, that there are at least two people who would join me in discord if I decided to open one up, I might really get a microphone after releasing 0.04 and make some FAQ sessions or something similar (got to practice my English tho! XD)if you do decide to setup a discord channel shoot me a message and i would love to join it and if i can help in anyway let me know, i have a pretty decent and silent pc i could easily leave running
it takes 2secs to setup a discord channel btw and its free but im guessing you already know that also i am a admin and moderator on several discord channels so i would be happy to help out on that front too, it would be a pleasure.
hell i could set one up for you if you want i could have it done before you post a reply haha
Edit: I have no doubt that you are fast as hell XD
But for now, the update comes first!
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sounds goodThank you so much for your support!
Regarding release dates I actually have learned one (of many) lessons from releasing 0.03, I was able to upload it on time BUT not in the quality I wanted (That's why there is a 0.03.1 with fewer bugs etc). To avoid the chaos from last time I make sure to release only if I'm satisfied with the release. The plan for 0.04 is to release it by the end of this month, but since I have no idea If that's enough time or not I posted a DEV news to talk about potentially falling into the beginning of January. I rather plan ahead to much time and release earlier than the other way round
Again thank you for actually supporting me! I will do my best!
Thank you for offering help again and also knowing, that there are at least two people who would join me in discord if I decided to open one up, I might really get a microphone after releasing 0.04 and make some FAQ sessions or something similar (got to practice my English tho! XD)
Edit: I have no doubt that you are fast as hell XD
But for now, the update comes first!
and don't worry about the English part, that will come with time and practice.i speak to people from all over the world on discord and they find it alot easier to pick up the language when speaking to someone like me who lives and has always lived in England and its certainly easier than learning at school
and when it comes to discord a microphone isn't absolutely necessary.
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You could ether do it without being a brutal asshole. Act dominant and demand respect and obedience as you use your pressens as well as making yourself an ideal the girls look up to. Or you could exploit insecurities to break them down, or to build them up and then use that power to make them do what you want cause you can make them better and they should listen to you and do what you tell them to even if it pains them. Or you could tap into their desires and forbidden thoughts let them unleash them self or blackmail them into doing your bidding. This end up going down one or two roads. Ether you take control, shape them as you want to be for your pleasure, or you just break them to make them fall even further down becoming lost and without purpose. I guess purpose is the big difference here. Do they endure/enjoy the pain based on the knowlage that it pleases you and they as your slaves will do and live however you want them? Or do you break them, leaving them without hope in despair. And then you should probably add to the mix that some of them might be turned on by humiliation, emotional pain or physical abuse. There is a lot of room to play here, and you can mix and match pretty much anything.
I guess I kind of dodged your question @n0b0dy to paint a general picture to @veqvil to draw inspiration from. As you say the dark mind is a hard thing to understand and the things we take pleasure from even stranger. We might like the same things for different reasons, or different things or the same reason.
Being to direct might be hard (if you go starting punching people out of the blue you probably will just scare them off) but you can still be direct in form of not hiding who you are and what you are after and then you can bend people with your words and actions (or be more brutal if you have leverage to play on or other things to exploit). If you can make people listen and seem important then you can make even the most reasonable thing seem reasonable. And as you get into their mind and life there many ways to take control. The instant physical obey me or I hurt you is something that I feel comes from porn where they rarely think of that there could be anything outside of the act of sex, where as taking control of someone is not about the sex, but what you have built before.
I feel like I should say a lot of what could attract people (from both sides) about those things, for as @n0b0dy describes when he talk about sadism, nothing is black and white here, but I have already rambled a lot here and I am a bit to tired to write about such complex things.. But I would like to add (and I am not saying that you dont know this @veqvil, I just feel like adding it) that even the most brutal dominance/submissive relationship could be built upon trust, happiness, safety and respect, even if those outside it would never believe it. For every twisted dominant sadist there is a depraved submissive masochist.
I understand that showing all these things in a game is impossible, but I just want to give @veqvil inspiration and understanding. The water is dark and deep, and can be hard to navigate, but it holds many wonders as well.
I guess I kind of dodged your question @n0b0dy to paint a general picture to @veqvil to draw inspiration from. As you say the dark mind is a hard thing to understand and the things we take pleasure from even stranger. We might like the same things for different reasons, or different things or the same reason.
Being to direct might be hard (if you go starting punching people out of the blue you probably will just scare them off) but you can still be direct in form of not hiding who you are and what you are after and then you can bend people with your words and actions (or be more brutal if you have leverage to play on or other things to exploit). If you can make people listen and seem important then you can make even the most reasonable thing seem reasonable. And as you get into their mind and life there many ways to take control. The instant physical obey me or I hurt you is something that I feel comes from porn where they rarely think of that there could be anything outside of the act of sex, where as taking control of someone is not about the sex, but what you have built before.
I feel like I should say a lot of what could attract people (from both sides) about those things, for as @n0b0dy describes when he talk about sadism, nothing is black and white here, but I have already rambled a lot here and I am a bit to tired to write about such complex things.. But I would like to add (and I am not saying that you dont know this @veqvil, I just feel like adding it) that even the most brutal dominance/submissive relationship could be built upon trust, happiness, safety and respect, even if those outside it would never believe it. For every twisted dominant sadist there is a depraved submissive masochist.
I understand that showing all these things in a game is impossible, but I just want to give @veqvil inspiration and understanding. The water is dark and deep, and can be hard to navigate, but it holds many wonders as well.