VN Ren'Py Abandoned Love and Submission [v0.08] [veqvil]

[veqvil]

Tried it, but it was too short for me to wrap my head around the premise. So, it can go pretty much anywhere. I still don't have a feel on Mom's persona. We can tell something's up with the Sis, lot of negative emotions there, but can't quite put my finger on it. Render wise, i agree with the general tone, the Mom looks way better than Sis, who could use a bit of tuning. I'll just have to wait for 0.3 to get a sense of direction. It's still very much up in the air.

Thanks for trying it out, yes I totally agree, the game is in a very early stage and it's just a fraction of what I planned and wanted to implement (I mean not even the mirror is working which was intended to show how your character will look in scenes). While 0.03 will show more about the game it still doesn't clarify what to expect in the long run, so I have to upgrade the Game post to give more information.

 

[veqvil]

@veqvil What i want to ask of you is:
*1 What content can we expect ? Things like type of fetish and etc.
*2 DO YOU want you game to have NTR ?
*3 Just be honest about what YOU want in your game and then do it, don't ever try to please everyone because it's just impossible and you will waste time and get tired.

I just hate NTR. It's a big turn off for me, and when i'm looking for porn games why should i bother with something that turns me off? Right ?
I'm not asking you to avoid it, just do what YOU think is right.

Oh god, I love this post! Thank you for those clarifying questions !

I guess the game descriptions lack the vision I have planned for the whole game (which is going to be huge). The reason I didn't share the whole idea was simply because I didn't know if anyone would be interested and that I wanted to leave some "creative" space to work with. Now to get to your questions:

Q1: What content can we expect? Things like type of fetish and etc.

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Q2: DO YOU want your game to have NTR? (UPDATED since there was confusion of the term NTR)

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Q3: Just be honest about what YOU want in your game and then do it, don't ever try to please everyone because it's just impossible and you will waste time and get tired.

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All in all thank you so much for your well thought out questions! I am glad that I had an opportunity like this express my vision (a little).

 

[RWaites]

Oh god, I love this post! Thank you for those clarifying questions !

I guess the game descriptions lack the vision I have planned for the whole game (which is going to be huge). The reason I didn't share the whole idea was simply because I didn't know if anyone would be interested and that I wanted to leave some "creative" space to work with. Now to get to your questions:

Q1: What content can we expect? Things like type of fetish and etc.

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Q2: DO YOU want your game to have NTR?

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Q3: Just be honest about what YOU want in your game and then do it, don't ever try to please everyone because it's just impossible and you will waste time and get tired.

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All in all thank you so much for your well thought out questions! I am glad that I had an opportunity like this express my vision (a little).

I think you have a very good idea of where you want to take your game and although you are willing to listen to other peoples thoughts and idea's, I think you should follow your own vision as other games have been spoiled by to much outside influence.

 

[Crazybat]

I tried it and while it was short it had some nice interactions and mini quests. Nicely done.
I like the models and it certainly seems to have potential.

What's up with the renders tho? They're looking very grainy. Like when you stopped rendering before it has finished completely.

It's too early to draw a conclusion, but so far I liked what I saw.

 

[Goronthil]

Woaw Veqvil you have a good vision of your game it seems
it's really good, you're right to let the player choose if he wants NTR or other options by the interactions with the other character (the player who don't like NTR could avoid it and the other can take it).
I think you're game could be pretty good, I'm impatient to see the next update !

 

[Makaikishi]

*2 In short you said that it will have NTR and will be optional right?
Thanks for being honest, but this isn't for me. Good luck.

 

[veqvil]

I think you have a very good idea of where you want to take your game and although you are willing to listen to other peoples thoughts and idea's, I think you should follow your own vision as other games have been spoiled by to much outside influence.

Yes, I totally agree on that. After all, I started to create this game since I wanted to put my own thoughts and ideas into it.

I tried it and while it was short it had some nice interactions and mini quests. Nicely done.
I like the models and it certainly seems to have potential.

What's up with the renders tho? They're looking very grainy. Like when you stopped rendering before it has finished completely.

It's too early to draw a conclusion, but so far I liked what I saw.

That's exactly what happened, I have rendered certain scenes way too short, but that's something I (or rather my computer) is working on

*2 In short you said that it will have NTR and will be optional right?
Thanks for being honest, but this isn't for me. Good luck.

What I said is that I "don't hate or like" NTR, for my personal taste I have a neutral position on it. The example was more about how I would handle a fetish that can be very offending to people who don't like it. Also if I would implement NTR it wouldn't come out of the blue.
Now the game is still in an early stage and I can only speculate about stuff like NTR and everything if my current build doesn't even involve sex.
What I don't need to speculate over is that the game features a strong amount of (direct or indirect) control of what you see and experience, I mean that's some kind of philosophy that I can apply to everything (even NTR).

Nonetheless, thank you for your questions and for wishing me luck!

 

[TrropJunior]

My thoughts so far:

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Keep up the good work!

 

[Thornhill]

Yes, I totally agree on that. After all, I started to create this game since I wanted to put my own thoughts and ideas into it.



That's exactly what happened, I have rendered certain scenes way too short, but that's something I (or rather my computer) is working on



What I said is that I "don't hate or like" NTR, for my personal taste I have a neutral position on it. The example was more about how I would handle a fetish that can be very offending to people who don't like it. Also if I would implement NTR it wouldn't come out of the blue.
Now the game is still in an early stage and I can only speculate about stuff like NTR and everything if my current build doesn't even involve sex.
What I don't need to speculate over is that the game features a strong amount of (direct or indirect) control of what you see and experience, I mean that's some kind of philosophy that I can apply to everything (even NTR).

Nonetheless, thank you for your questions and for wishing me luck!

Wait a minute, this ntr bs infects every single thread. The overwhelming majority of gamers won't mind having an Antagonist, if there's a way to beat him. The examples you gave are in that category. Ntr is a different animal altogether. It's meant to trigger a "strong emotional response ", and typically, the player is powerless to stop it , or unwilling to stop it. Those who like that , are a very small, yet very vocal minority. In short, Antagonists, fine, Ntr , face a BB-style mutiny. Those are my two cents.

 

[Goronthil]

Well I think the best options for the dev if he wants NTR in his game is to make it like an option and not obligatory.
NTR is a dangerous trap when the player is not ready (many people doesn't like it and stop a game when they see it without warning).

 

[veqvil]

My thoughts so far:

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Keep up the good work!

No matter what relationship you are going for you can make the MC be skilled in the psychological field and make use of things like manipulation. While to get a character become a submissive "pet" I feel manipulation is necessary (at least to a certain degree) but for a romantic loving relationship, it is not.

Wait a minute, this ntr bs infects every single thread. The overwhelming majority of gamers won't mind having an Antagonist, if there's a way to beat him. The examples you gave are in that category. Ntr is a different animal altogether. It's meant to trigger a "strong emotional response ", and typically, the player is powerless to stop it , or unwilling to stop it. Those who like that , are a very small, yet very vocal minority. In short, Antagonists, fine, Ntr , face a BB-style mutiny. Those are my two cents.

The way you describe NTR, does make more sense to me.
Being powerless while playing my game definitely goes against my "philosophy" for creating the game. That also means that NTR in its pure form won't be part of LaS.
Other competing Characters, on the other hand, can date characters you are going after (but only if you like them to and therefore allow/encourage it).

 

[fyahrebel]

getting really excited to see whats next

 

[Bahamut Zero]

Hiiiii! XD
Just now i find this game and... after reading all five pages, i'm ready to give it a chance so now i download it.
I like how you answer all the questions to the traumatic demand of the "NTR". As many also I hate NTR, but i just see that you write: you can avoid it in a number of ways. Or anyway, that currently the game is in the early stages, so it is still not really present at this time.
Anyway you give us an example of how to avoid this. The real problem with that example is... if you choice to go out with her, the other girl than... go out with some other guy?

I try to explain it better: you answer

DUDE: GIRL X is very hot!
1. Intimidate him by standing tall (Option if you have high fitness) (NTRX = 0)
DUDE: Hey man I'm sorry! I didn't now you were after her... please relax.
2. Manipulate (Option if you have psychological skills) (NTRX = 0)
YOU: Haha you must be kidding you really think she would be interested in a man like you, imagine both...
DUDE: I get it man... she is way out of my league, looks like that's she is interested in you though.
3. Tell him to F-off (NTRX = 0)
4. Start to compete (NTRX + 1)
YOU: Try whatever you can, you have no chances anyway!
DUDE: Uhmm you thingk so huh?! I'll show you!
Later after many more NTR checks

Now in this case you give us, lot of choice to avoid NTR. So if we want, we can have "that girl" all for us.
But then you write:

GIRL X: Hey you wanna go to the park? (if NTRX = 4 she also says, DUDE asked me out but I wanted to hang out with you)
1. Go with her (NTR - 1)
2. Go eating ice with Amy (NTR + 1)
3. Convince her not to go with himi (NTR -1)
4. Invite her to go eating some ice with Amy (Threesome + 1)

In this case, we can tell her, yes/no or try to let her know that the DUDE is not good for her.

Among the various responses, there was one that left me some doubt.
The one that say: (2. Go eating ice with Amy (NTR + 1)
Now my question... if we go with GRIL X... who happen to Amy?
We must fear that Amy becomes the next (NTR) victim?

It is from this point that my doubts take shape. We have to fear that sooner or later, eventually we lose some girls?

Anyway, I'm a big fan of the incest. So me main focus are mother and sister. So I really hope that I can make both of them just only for me. Not other guys around. But the fear for lose any woman in this game is really huge.

 

[veqvil]

Hiiiii! XD
Just now i find this game and... after reading all five pages, i'm ready to give it a chance so now i download it.
I like how you answer all the questions to the traumatic demand of the "NTR". As many also I hate NTR, but i just see that you write: you can avoid it in a number of ways. Or anyway, that currently the game is in the early stages, so it is still not really present at this time.
Anyway you give us an example of how to avoid this. The real problem with that example is... if you choice to go out with her, the other girl than... go out with some other guy?

I try to explain it better: you answer

DUDE: GIRL X is very hot!
1. Intimidate him by standing tall (Option if you have high fitness) (NTRX = 0)
DUDE: Hey man I'm sorry! I didn't now you were after her... please relax.
2. Manipulate (Option if you have psychological skills) (NTRX = 0)
YOU: Haha you must be kidding you really think she would be interested in a man like you, imagine both...
DUDE: I get it man... she is way out of my league, looks like that's she is interested in you though.
3. Tell him to F-off (NTRX = 0)
4. Start to compete (NTRX + 1)
YOU: Try whatever you can, you have no chances anyway!
DUDE: Uhmm you thingk so huh?! I'll show you!
Later after many more NTR checks

Now in this case you give us, lot of choice to avoid NTR. So if we want, we can have "that girl" all for us.
But then you write:

GIRL X: Hey you wanna go to the park? (if NTRX = 4 she also says, DUDE asked me out but I wanted to hang out with you)
1. Go with her (NTR - 1)
2. Go eating ice with Amy (NTR + 1)
3. Convince her not to go with himi (NTR -1)
4. Invite her to go eating some ice with Amy (Threesome + 1)

In this case, we can tell her, yes/no or try to let her know that the DUDE is not good for her.

Among the various responses, there was one that left me some doubt.
The one that say: (2. Go eating ice with Amy (NTR + 1)
Now my question... if we go with GRIL X... who happen to Amy?
We must fear that Amy becomes the next (NTR) victim?

It is from this point that my doubts take shape. We have to fear that sooner or later, eventually we lose some girls?

Anyway, I'm a big fan of the incest. So me main focus are mother and sister. So I really hope that I can make both of them just only for me. Not other guys around. But the fear for lose any woman in this game is really huge.

Well, regarding NTR I have updated my statement in the old post since there was some sort of confusion of the term itself.

To make things clear: there won't be a situation where a girl gets stolen/taken/seduced away etc without you encouraging or want it to happen.

NTR is about powerlessly/helplessly watching a character you like being "used" by someone else. I'm aiming for a game where you will never have to feel powerless, while every choice will have consequences, things like that are too sensitive to be not made obvious.

So actually this game does not and will never contain NTR, but stuff like competition, cuckold or MMF can come into the game but are only visible if you really want it (optional doesn't require you to do something against it, it's more like you have to do something for it to activate this or that fetish).

Well, I hope this cleared things up a little and btw: thank you for trying out the demo!

 

[sithlordo66]

It will be possible, but that something you will find out once I release 0.03





Looking into this, Carols "fuller" face seems to be looking young and Amys thinner face makes her very sensitive to lighting, so I really hope to find a solution by setting the scenes more beneficial for Amy. Having less fill light or stronger changes in color does affect how old she looks.

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Its not the lighting thats the face of someone late 30s early 40s

 

[-Hex-]

This seems intresting, i'll follow the thread while waiting for a few more updates

 

[Quinionx]

Very nice start, hot mom and sis, beautiful renders (a few grainy ones, tip I found to avoid that if you're interested: make the renders double the size and reduce them afterwards) and looking forward to more saucy scenes in future updates...

How u do that? u render a picture after the render tell me send me a tutorial PLISS I NEED IT.

 

[veqvil]

Its not the lighting thats the face of someone late 30s early 40s

Well, I get your point and you are not alone, but reworking/changing characters is something I simply don't find reasonable doing at this stage of the game. Currently, while I'm creating the scenes for LaS 0.03 I'm trying to give her face a lot of fill light which IMO seems to work or could be a compromise.

This seems intresting, i'll follow the thread while waiting for a few more updates

Well, I really hope the updates will turn out to be good enough for anyone who downloaded and tried LaS 0.02.

 

[Volta]

A while ago i said i'd be back, well ...

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Verdict: One to Watch

 

[veqvil]

A while ago i said i'd be back, well ...

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Verdict: One to Watch

Wow... right now I'm sitting here and try not to cry like a little girl.
Thank you so much for the time you put into writing this feedback and all the positive energy (I sound like a yoga teacher). I was already speechless that I had patrons and now reading posts like yours, once again gave me the willpower to become better and improve what I learned.

Btw, I didn't know about "catched" and "caught" until I read your post (geez my English teacher would kill me right now), so yes, English is definitely not my first language. To give you a hint where I'm from: äöü .