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God I love this conversation (or belittlement lol) so Godamn much!
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Sorry DF...I know you try to see her good sides. I want to like her...I really do, but nothing in Act 2...or going forward will ever fix or erase this. She could follow us on her knees for eternity crying, open a godamn puppy sanctuary....she could give us permanent TPE (you will know what that is I assume) but nothing....will ever fix any of this...

And sorry, it has fuck all to do with some suppossed brain injury (you notice that damage never stopped her completing her final year after getting 'clean' or graduating, or interferes with her job or amazing 'work' for Veronica)? No....only when it comes to her marriage....

Such a shame that after this conversation he doesn't tell her to fuck off to Mia's and reflect on this conversation and when she thinks she has an answer to 'fix this'...to get in touch but until then, to stay away because when he looks at her, he has nothing but utter contempt and fucking disgust.

And to top it all off, even after all that, he tells her to leave him alone and goes to sleep elsewhere....and she still...does...not...listen. (and then we all know what comes next lol)....sorry, But the Succubus whore is every bit as bad as her friend. I hope there's a path he tells them both to fuck off...her and the pimp deserve each other.

Professor really did the MC very dirty right after this conversation.
Oh I feel like Lacey, always soooo misunderstood.

You are being even more kinder than I am, Lacey, for me, cannot fix her first cardinal sin, abandoning MC.
The college years are already put her in a situation where she cannot win, she is unforgivable.

Not for the sex ofc, which does play a big part, but for ignoring MC and his pleas, if another woman didn't intervene, MC would be dead.
We are not even talking about the famous 3 weeks, we are talking about the full junior year, MC was writing to her frantically asking for help, telling her he wasn't doing well.

The only thing he got was silence, and silence, as Lacey would put it, is final.
She left him to rot when he needed her, and she was having a blast of a 1 on 1 party when he was about to jump.

Now add the sex and her general behaviour in college, which I still think it was more fun than she is letting us know, as it can be understood also from her pimp behaviour.
This corruption is mostly caused by the pimp, even my AI analysis puts the pimp as being responsible for almost 70-80% of the things happening, but it did happen, instead of taking the right way out, which would have been contacting MC and facing the situation together, she took the pimp path.

Her brain damage is self caused, so it is not an excuse, but it doesn't make her inherently stupid, she only has more challenges in terms of memory, impulse control and , she says, understanding people intentions.
It does not make her automatically act like that, brain damage does not make you lie, that is YOU.

Now, Lacey does have reeding qualities, she understands how badly she damaged MC and her relationship with him, irrevocably so, and this makes her act out of desperation.
In act 2 she even realizes how her behavior is horrible even now, and how she isn't even able to give him a nice relaxing weekend without her past rearing it's ugly head and ruining everything.
Because everything is already ruined and tainted, her love is transactional, the only thing she keeps using to maintain the relationship is his lust.

All that you said, is on TOP of what I just pointed out, which as I said comes from the desperation from the realization of all the above (which still doesn't discount her actions and the damage they have caused).

But I love Lacey act 2, she is growing, she is taking accountability.
This is the woman that could have improved the situation in act 1 instead of fucking up even more.
Maybe she would have failed as well, but she would have failed on her knees because she tried to get up again and not only because that is all she could do.

Don't think for a second that I think that Lacey 2 is perfect, when she happily says to MC: "I can explain why I gave dicks nicknames, I really can" like it would make a lick of difference or improve things.

MC as usual is a wet blanket, especially after the dialogue you posted, if he was a man that people respected or that demanded respect, Lacey and his marriage would both be in better shape.
But this is the MC we got, a weak buffoon that talks about murders and violence and yet the only punch he gave was to his wife, a 50 kg when wet woman.
 
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But I love Lacey act 2, she is growing, she is taking accountability.
This is the woman that could have improved the situation in act 1 instead of fucking up even more.
Maybe she would have failed as well, but she would have failed on her knees because she tried to get up again and not only because that is all she could do.
I've really tried....I just don't see it. All I'm seeing is the natural continuation of the plan from act 1.
 

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she was having a blast of a 1 on 1 party when he was about to jump.
YYou know, reading between the lines of the dialogue and some research, I'm not entirely sure she was actually with Isaac at the time of the call. She was hurling...that's 24-72 hours after stopping drinking/snorting (if you actually get phsical withdrawal symptoms from K at all - very rare actually from what I've read). So maybe this was more from a lack of alcohol? (because when you're drinking all dya...morning and night...you have a serious, serious issue and dependancy).

Regardless, she hadn't taken for a day or two when Anna called....so, as can't remember if it's explicitly stated further on...Mia's final 'lesson' (10...in MC's office...happy succubus covered in cum)...was that while she was still with Isaac? (and if it was, that's just another lie from the slut, jeesh...you really need to see my timeline haha....there's sooooo many lol). Just forget the 'I had an epihany' statment on the same day for a moment.

If she was still with Isaac...I'm still seriously doubting this 3 week timeline. I know, I know, Isaac confirms it, but our stupid dumb slut of a wife does like to talk to many people behind our back (even knowing how we feel about them)....maybe she has begged him to stick to this story in some way? The whole Isaac things still bugs me, immensely....for numerous reasons.
 
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I've really tried....I just don't see it. All I'm seeing is the natural continuation of the plan from act 1.
Well this comes down to accepting her words to Dianne or to the pimp, and to accept that she is trying to offer MC something, and this something doesn't involve her (you know what I mean).

If you don't believe any of it, it is impossible to see anything more than a used up lying whore.

YYou know, reading between the lines of the dialogue and some research, I'm not entirely sure she was actually with Isaac at the time of the call. She was hurling...that's 24-72 hours after stopping drinking/snorting (if you actually get phsical withdrawal symptoms from K at all - very rare actually from what I've read). So maybe this was more from a lack of alcohol? (because when you're drinking all dya...morning and night...you have a serious, serious issue and dependancy).

Regardless, she hadn't taken for a day or two when Anna called....so, as can't remember if it's explicitly stated further on...Mia's final 'lesson' (10...in MC's office...happy succubus covered in cum)...was that while she was still with Isaac? (and if it was, that's just another lie from the slut, jeesh...you really need to see my timeline haha....there's sooooo many lol).

If she was still with Isaac...I'm still seriously doubting this 3 week timeline. I know, I know, Isaac confirms it, but our stupid dumb slut of a wife does like to talk to many people behind our back (even knowing how we feel about them)....maybe she has begged him to stick to this story in some way? The whole Isaac things still bugs me, immensely....for numerous reasons.
Yep alcohol was probably the main reason, withdrawal starts in less than half a day.

This is another inconsistency, in Isaac dialogue he says that he was out when Lacey received the call, Lacey says otherwise.
It is either a mistake from the author, or I am going to trust Isaac on this, nausea is an effect of too much K and alcohol both.

Lacey has all the reasons to hide this.
 
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Well this comes down to accepting her words to Dianne or to the pimp, and to accept that she is trying to offer MC something, and this something doesn't involve her (you know what I mean).

If you don't believe any of it, it is impossible to see anything more than a used up lying whore.
Lying to everyone including herself. I believe she's genuine when she says those "experiments" are for the best. No one wants to look in the mirror and see a toxic controller trying to brainwash a person into something that benefits them. But I don't see any growth in it. It's stagnation in the same toxic attitude.

I get why the story does it, since it allows for further drama, possibly backfiring on her depending on choices. I just don't see it as any kind of improvement. Except for the player since it will probably have more sex scenes.
 

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YYou know, reading between the lines of the dialogue and some research, I'm not entirely sure she was actually with Isaac at the time of the call. She was hurling...that's 24-72 hours after stopping drinking/snorting (if you actually get phsical withdrawal symptoms from K at all - very rare actually from what I've read). So maybe this was more from a lack of alcohol? (because when you're drinking all dya...morning and night...you have a serious, serious issue and dependancy).

Regardless, she hadn't taken for a day or two when Anna called....so, as can't remember if it's explicitly stated further on...Mia's final 'lesson' (10...in MC's office...happy succubus covered in cum)...was that while she was still with Isaac? (and if it was, that's just another lie from the slut, jeesh...you really need to see my timeline haha....there's sooooo many lol). Just forget the 'I had an epihany' statment on the same day for a moment.

If she was still with Isaac...I'm still seriously doubting this 3 week timeline. I know, I know, Isaac confirms it, but our stupid dumb slut of a wife does like to talk to many people behind our back (even knowing how we feel about them)....maybe she has begged him to stick to this story in some way? The whole Isaac things still bugs me, immensely....for numerous reasons.
I've mentioned it before, but a sort of out there idea for me is that the throwing up could also be potentially her disgust with herself. We see this with Christine (when she finds out the truth about Jared, and that she's been helping a disgusting person) and Lacey (when she finds out that she she texted Mia instead of MC and danced with Will)

Yes, Lacey does specifically say that it was due to alcohol and ketamine withdrawal, but given her track record of lying, and that she is hiding her "other side" from MC, she could have used withdrawals as the excuse instead of talking honestly about this "other side". Combine the feelings of being disgusting and worthless with the fact that she almost caused MC's suicide, it'd make sense that this was also a time that she was get sick.

For now, I think that it simply being withdrawals is still more likely, but I just want to keep an open mind because Isaac seems to suggest that it was the phone call that ended things between he and Lacey. It is totally possible that Lacey was going through withdrawals while still with Isaac though, considering "escaping" with him to run away from her past, to avoid facing MC after everything she's done.

Regardless, I hope it gets explored more (maybe it will be in the next couple of chapters?), especially since MC and Lacey appear to be moving into Isaac's mansion, where even if it isn't the same mansion, I'm sure things like couches, bed frames, etc. will bring back memories that may provide insight for us
 

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I've mentioned it before, but a sort of out there idea for me is that the throwing up could also be potentially her disgust with herself. We see this with Christine (when she finds out the truth about Jared, and that she's been helping a disgusting person) and Lacey (when she finds out that she she texted Mia instead of MC and danced with Will)

Yes, Lacey does specifically say that it was due to alcohol and ketamine withdrawal, but given her track record of lying, and that she is hiding her "other side" from MC, she could have used withdrawals as the excuse instead of talking honestly about this "other side". Combine the feelings of being disgusting and worthless with the fact that she almost caused MC's suicide, it'd make sense that this was also a time that she was get sick.

For now, I think that it simply being withdrawals is still more likely, but I just want to keep an open mind because Isaac seems to suggest that it was the phone call that ended things between he and Lacey. It is totally possible that Lacey was going through withdrawals while still with Isaac though, considering "escaping" with him to run away from her past, to avoid facing MC after everything she's done.

Regardless, I hope it gets explored more (maybe it will be in the next couple of chapters?), especially since MC and Lacey appear to be moving into Isaac's mansion, where even if it isn't the same mansion, I'm sure things like couches, bed frames, etc. will bring back memories that may provide insight for us
I wish I had my pc with me so I could check the dialogues.

If you can go check what Isaac says and match it with what Lacey says at the boxes discussion, it goes something like "I haven't checked my phone for two weeks".

That is still at the end of the three weeks iirc, if you match it with what Isaac said, they were still at the dorms with him.

I know Anna called Lacey's dorm.
 

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Combine the feelings of being disgusting and worthless with the fact that she almost caused MC's suicide, it'd make sense that this was also a time that she was get sick.
Then why didn't that happen after Bastion then...or even the day she gets home and the MC spends an hour literally tearing her a new one?

Going to say it again, if we come up with 'reasons' for things, then we need to apply these reasons right across the board or not at all. Same goes for drug use/symptoms...same goes for her brain damage....you cannoy, absolutely cannot, cherry pick reasons for behaviour when it's convenient. In my timeline, I'm actually applying my logic to a lot of the events...everything is a result of x...not just here and there. Makes a lot, more sense when you see it written down.
 

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Also, sorry to double post but:


Ohh...how did I not pick up on this before:

MC "Let's say for this conversation that you give me permission to flirt with Veronica on the phone."
L "Okay."
MC "Some dashing and charismatic himbo starts in the arts department."
MC "You develop a little work crush on him."
MC "You see me sending a little flirty message to Veronica and realize,"
MC "'hey! he can send a text to big booberella, but I can't send a text to himbo the glorious beefcake?'"
MC "'that's not fair'"
MC "'if he can flirt, then I should be able to'"
MC "Then you flirt with him."

Oh o ho ho ho...how the fuck did I not connect that before?

(because...I still don't believe work night to welcome himbo Muttley was entirely innocent, it was enough to get him interested to the point of us being where we are and in the KW...she ADMITS she had a crush on him...).
 
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Also, sorry to double post but:


Ohh...how did I not pick up on this before:

MC "Let's say for this conversation that you give me permission to flirt with Veronica on the phone."
L "Okay."
MC "Some dashing and charismatic himbo starts in the arts department."
MC "You develop a little work crush on him."
MC "You see me sending a little flirty message to Veronica and realize,"
MC "'hey! he can send a text to big booberella, but I can't send a text to himbo the glorious beefcake?'"
MC "'that's not fair'"
MC "'if he can flirt, then I should be able to'"
MC "Then you flirt with him."

Oh o ho ho ho...how the fuck did I not connect that before?

(because...I still don't believe work night to welcome himbo Muttley was entirely innocent, it was enough to get him interested to the point of us being where we are).
I would like you to add another piece to your theory, which is how Lacey weaponizes sex with MC.

Great example: MC accepts to let Lacey go on the trip with Veronica? It is fantasy fulfilling time (something that Lacey probably did plenty of times already btw, sorry MC).

This would double for the free pass/basian thing, but you can find all the pieces yourself.

It is one of the Lacey's traits that I find validated my theory on what she feels she can offer MC, and how she uses it to her advantage.
 

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I would like you to add another piece to your theory, which is how Lacey weaponizes sex with MC.

Great example: MC accepts to let Lacey go on the trip with Veronica? It is fantasy fulfilling time (something that Lacey did plenty of times already btw).

This would double for the free pass/basian thing, but you can find all the pieces yourself.
Oh don't worry. Every confirmed Lie, gaslight, weaponisation....everything...is in my timeline (in diff colours too, to easily differentiate them). When you see it flat laid out like that....it's not pretty.
 

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Then why didn't that happen after Bastion then...or even the day she gets home and the MC spends an hour literally tearing her a new one?

Going to say it again, if we come up with 'reasons' for things, then we need to apply these reasons right across the board or not at all. Same goes for drug use/symptoms...same goes for her brain damage....you cannoy, absolutely cannot, cherry pick reasons for behaviour when it's convenient. In my timeline, I'm actually applying my logic to a lot of the events...everything is a result of x...not just here and there. Makes a lot, more sense when you see it written down.
This is one of the main reasons why I still find the withdrawals to be more likely. I'm just trying to keep an open mind. I don't agree that a character has to have the exact same reaction every time a similar situation happens. Following that logic, we have to explain why Lacey didn't throw up on all the other times since she did it the one time. We have to explain why MC doesn't throw up every time he learns Lacey lied.

What I'm saying is that reaction has been used a few times (including for MC) already when characters find out that everything they believed was a lie. They become nauseated. As I said in my original post, I do think that the idea is "a bit out there", but I do think it at least has some merit to think about when the next Act comes out.
 
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I wish I had my pc with me so I could check the dialogues.

If you can go check what Isaac says and match it with what Lacey says at the boxes discussion, it goes something like "I haven't checked my phone for two weeks".

That is still at the end of the three weeks iirc, if you match it with what Isaac said, they were still at the dorms with him.

I know Anna called Lacey's dorm.
Yeah, Anna called Lacey's dorm, got a hold of someone (probably Mia), and told them to "tell Lacey to please check her phone, it was an emergency. Then I just started calling her number over and over until she picked up."

So we don't know how (probably Mia) got Lacey to check her phone, whether it was walking across campus or calling Isaac himself
 

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Also, sorry to double post but:


Ohh...how did I not pick up on this before:

MC "Let's say for this conversation that you give me permission to flirt with Veronica on the phone."
L "Okay."
MC "Some dashing and charismatic himbo starts in the arts department."
MC "You develop a little work crush on him."
MC "You see me sending a little flirty message to Veronica and realize,"
MC "'hey! he can send a text to big booberella, but I can't send a text to himbo the glorious beefcake?'"
MC "'that's not fair'"
MC "'if he can flirt, then I should be able to'"
MC "Then you flirt with him."

Oh o ho ho ho...how the fuck did I not connect that before?

(because...I still don't believe work night to welcome himbo Muttley was entirely innocent, it was enough to get him interested to the point of us being where we are and in the KW...she ADMITS she had a crush on him...).
I believe that on this topic the two truths were that she had a work crush on that nerdy guy that looked like a young MC and that freckled security girl that always complimented her. The Will thing is the one lie.
 
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I believe that on this topic the two truths were that she had a work crush on that nerdy guy that looked like a young MC and that freckled security girl that always complimented her. The Will thing is the one lie.
Correct, we know of the IT guy since act1, security girl is new.
 

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I believe that on this topic the two truths were that she had a work crush on that nerdy guy that looked like a young MC and that freckled security girl that always complimented her. The Will thing is the one lie.
She says in the KW it was a new hire in the design dept. It's Muttley.

Once again, am I reading the same story a sa lot of folk here or am I the only idiot actually paying attention and comprehending what I read? Because, you're sure as hell not.
 

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Also:

She says in the KW it was a new hire in the design dept. It's Muttley.

Once again, am I reading the same story a sa lot of folk here or am I the only idiot actually paying attention and comprehending what I read? Because, you're sure as hell not.
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menu:
"I had a crush on one of our IT folks, because he looked like [MCFirst] back in high school":
A "You are incorrect, this one is true."​
"I'm embarrassed to admit, I had a crush on Will when I first met him":
$ kfaw_game01_score += 1​
A "You are of course 100%% right. No thank you."​
"I had a crush on Sylvia from the security team":
A "You are incorrect, this one is true."​
V "(laughing) I know the IT guy you're talking about. He does look like a younger version of [MCFirst]."
A "It was a short-lived crush when he began telling me how much he liked your breasts."
V "Oh, well that's awkward."
M "Okay, but Sylvia? Really?"
L "She complimented me every single day. Made me feel special."
L "And she was cute with those freckles and her little bob haircut."
L "She was adorable."
M "Your taste in women is awful. You'd make a terrible lesbian."
 

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Sorry Mavi, but I am pretty sure that was the lie out of the three answers
yep I just replayed this passage today and it really talks about the crush on a slightly nerdy computer scientist who looks like the younger MC

MC "Let's say for this conversation that you give me permission to flirt with Veronica on the phone."
L "Okay."
MC "Some dashing and charismatic himbo starts in the arts department."
MC "You develop a little work crush on him."
MC "You see me sending a little flirty message to Veronica and realize,"
MC "'hey! he can send a text to big booberella, but I can't send a text to himbo the glorious beefcake?'"
MC "'that's not fair'"
MC "'if he can flirt, then I should be able to'"
MC "Then you flirt with him."
MC "The next day he takes you in a manly fashion."
MC "And then you leave me."
MC "You see?"
MC "It just doesn't work."
MC "It's one sided and you'll feel left out... then I'll lose you."
L "My god, your ability to imagine the worst case scenarios and present them as inevitable is mind-boggling."
L "Two things pop into my head."
L "Number one."
L "What on earth do you think a little work crush is?"
L "How does it go from a little work crush to having sex?"
L "Work crushes are normal Baby."
MC "Wait you have a work crush?"
L "This coming from the man who currently has the following crushes:"
L "Anna, Mia, Christine, Jeanette, Kelly, Veronica, Bethany and possibly Bella."
MC "Uhhhhh."
MC "(sigh) You don't play fair."
MC "Okay, so tell me about this work crush of yours."
L "I don't have a current work crush."
MC "But recently?"
L "Yes."
MC "After we were married?"
L "Yes."
MC "I hate him."
MC "What's he like?"
L "Past tense. Not present tense."
MC "What was he like?"
MC "Was he a big, hunky dude?"
L "No, he was a slender, sort of nerdy in a really cute way dude."
MC "Hmmm, unexpected."
L "And do you know why I had a crush on him?"
MC "Why?"
L "Because he was your doppleganger from when you were still in high school."
L "He was a shy, quiet, skinny guy with messy brown hair."
L "Plus he's an IT guy."
L "And I happen to have a soft spot for IT guys."
L "Know any?"
MC "Not a single one."
L "Uh huh."
MC "What happened to him?"
MC "Did he leave the company?"
L "Oh, he still works there."
MC "I thought you said it was past tense."
L "It is, believe me."
MC "What happened?"
L "He was working on my computer and finally opened up and started talking to me for the first time."
MC "Wait, you never talked to him?"
L "I just had a little crush on him."
L "I wasn't trying to date the guy."
L "I'm married, remember?"
L "So, guess what he talked about."
 

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Sorry Mavi, but I am pretty sure that was the lie out of the three answers
Edit for formatting
menu:
"I had a crush on one of our IT folks, because he looked like [MCFirst] back in high school":
A "You are incorrect, this one is true."​
"I'm embarrassed to admit, I had a crush on Will when I first met him":
$ kfaw_game01_score += 1​
A "You are of course 100%% right. No thank you."​
"I had a crush on Sylvia from the security team":
A "You are incorrect, this one is true."​
V "(laughing) I know the IT guy you're talking about. He does look like a younger version of [MCFirst]."
A "It was a short-lived crush when he began telling me how much he liked your breasts."
V "Oh, well that's awkward."
M "Okay, but Sylvia? Really?"
L "She complimented me every single day. Made me feel special."
L "And she was cute with those freckles and her little bob haircut."
L "She was adorable."
M "Your taste in women is awful. You'd make a terrible lesbian."
I stand corrected.
 
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