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Ok... so lets do some theory crafting on story to which some of you might think would result in Mia getting some "wakeup" to her behavior.

What can you think of that would need to happen to "break" Mia, to cause her to see her own behavior face to face, to see the complete and utter destruction she has wrought, to feel it, to be even the target of it... to experience the hell she has put others through?

Ok go... *grabs popcorn*
 

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While some of the characters may have hit "rock bottom" in their actions of self destruction, they haven't hit rock bottom in the realization of their issues. That is, the point where a person sees themselves through a perfect lense of who they are, what they have done, and then has an epiphany that forces a change they choose with extreme fervor.

Lacey hasn't reached this bottom as she still doesn't realize the harm she does in her solution driving, nor does Mia. They will have to have some type of "reckoning" where their actions are a horror in their own eyes that causes them to seek resolution and as it is so far, neither of them views their "past" actions as that horror.

Sure, they "talk" like they were bad, that they did wrong, etc... but no... they don't see it... as if they did, every aspect of their decisions would be guided by that understanding.

You can see this understanding in people who have reached the apex of their destruction and truly see they are the avatar of their own demise. When they reach that level of understanding, they take control and begin their healing.

Just an example, but the MC killing himself would create this level of understanding for them. I am not saying this is the route, obviously this ends the story, but that is the level of "reckoning" that has to occur to shake them to their core.

So far, I am not getting that from Lacey and Mia.
Lacey is now almost perfectly aware of the damage she caused even before abandoning MC, I understand Lacey 1 is unhinged, but she understood step by step, and is willing to go anddo even more soul searching in act 2.

Mia...yeah not happening, since consequences do not exist for her nor she has a sliver of acc

Ok... so lets do some theory crafting on story to which some of you might think would result in Mia getting some "wakeup" to her behavior.

What can you think of that would need to happen to "break" Mia, to cause her to see her own behavior face to face, to see the complete and utter destruction she has wrought, to feel it, to be even the target of it... to experience the hell she has put others through?

Ok go... *grabs popcorn*
The events necessary to break her have already happened, if she didn't it is because it is not planned for her to.

She listened to Lacey telling her she never understood what she was going through, she saw MC break because of her own actions, she has been reprimanded over and over, yet nothing changed.

The first step would be accepting that she ruined Lacey's life for her own twisted ideas and gain, no deflection (you made me ruin your life...spoken like a true narcissist), no "camraderie" (what we were doing), just full on recognition of her sins.
She needs to recognize that fact and admit to Lacey that she has been a shit and manipulative friend.

The second would be recognizing that her own behaviour has been abysmal, that she betrayed her friend, that she pulled MC in a twisted game for the sake of it and that she is interfering in their lives in a negative way.

The third is to sincerely apologize and get the fuck out, at least for a long while, to reflect, to repent and to stop being a terrible influence on everyone's life.

Now that I think about it, the a real breaking point would be her social circle turning against her, so far only Lacey has suffered any sort of retribution in that regard, and if we sum up the "sins" I am not even sure Lacey is that far ahead from Mia.
So with her being isolated, she could have a quiet moment with francis to try and understand how shit of a human being she has been and is.

But that ship has sailed, everyone is friends with her, which reflects poorly on the friends tbh, especially Anna.
 

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Ok... so lets do some theory crafting on story to which some of you might think would result in Mia getting some "wakeup" to her behavior.

What can you think of that would need to happen to "break" Mia, to cause her to see her own behavior face to face, to see the complete and utter destruction she has wrought, to feel it, to be even the target of it... to experience the hell she has put others through?

Ok go... *grabs popcorn*
You're not getting it are you?

She literally gave her best friend enough drugs to go and kill herself with (a veery likely scenario) so she could steal her husband...

And...noth...ing...came...of...it.

I'm really not sure how much worse it could ever get ......and you think something is going to happen to actually make these people have some self-reflection?

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Keep Mia close would love to say kick that bitch to the curb but, her being so manipulative I can see her cause more problems for them. Get Lacey in tricky situations while she watches from the sideline.
 
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I am under no delusion that anything will happen on what I purposed, It was more of an exercise in thought as what we should think should happen.

Like some of you have mentioned, the damage in the story has already been done (ie people accepted without proper course of repentance), but... how nice if it were right?
 

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Ok... so lets do some theory crafting on story to which some of you might think would result in Mia getting some "wakeup" to her behavior.

What can you think of that would need to happen to "break" Mia, to cause her to see her own behavior face to face, to see the complete and utter destruction she has wrought, to feel it, to be even the target of it... to experience the hell she has put others through?

Ok go... *grabs popcorn*
The only conceivable way i could see mia getting some sort of 'payback' instead of character development with the way the story is as of the end of ch.2, and this is just a wild thought that could fit the story and is in no way something i am saying will happen.

I could imagine a scenario where lacey uses the unaccounted for purse of ketamine mia presented her with in one of her 'brilliant' plans to help mia get over past trauma...just like mia did for lacey....but lacey, in her corrupted messed up way, would genuinely think it would help mia instead of thinking about it like revenge, and is obviously another terrible idea.
 

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The only conceivable way i could see mia getting some sort of 'payback' instead of character development with the way the story is as of the end of ch.2, and this is just a wild thought that could fit the story and is in no way something i am saying will happen.

I could imagine a scenario where lacey uses the unaccounted for purse of ketamine mia presented her with in one of her 'brilliant' plans to help mia get over past trauma...just like mia did for lacey....but lacey, in her corrupted messed up way, would genuinely think it would help mia instead of thinking about it like revenge, and is obviously another terrible idea.
I was thinking a similar thought. Mia would have to be drugged and used by lots of guys to get over her fear of men and sex. Lacey/MC would be there to "watch over her" and document everything, then just keep the K-train rolling as she goes further and further off the deep-end. Then when she had enough and was ready to come back to reality, do a "last hurrah" with another Isaac sized dude for a few weeks, while everyone else just kind of forgets she exists. That would at least show her how terrible her actions were and maybe lead her to a path of self-accountability for what she did to Lacey.
 
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So basically because of the whore's repeated cheating they what decide to open up their marriage yeah, I see that ending real swell NOT
 
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So basically because of the whore's repeated cheating they what decide to open up their marriage yeah, I see that ending real swell NOT

Yes and no. Lacey outlined the possibility of giving the MC the option to choose what he would like, but... specifically stated she really didn't want to be shared (but would if he chose this). The "open" thing is really just Lacey wanting the MC to be with other women (those she specifically approves of) under the claim that he needs to experience it due to his college years being chaste and devoted to her.

In fact, because of the MCs dislike for the term and his very clear objection about not wanting an open relationship, they re-termed it to "love experiment". The MC still does not even want to do this, so this is something Lacey is pushing him to and he does protest it fairly often.

She already screwed up again with the jealousy date and even if you choose the full on share, it backfires and makes the MC hate her even more. Honestly, I don't think "Lacey sharing" is going to be a thing as it kind of goes against the entire concept of this story, though... there are hints that Lacey has something left to tell the MC and mentions that it is something he would never accept.

She did in one discussion about kinks explain that she has a jealousy kink and gets off on seeing the MC upset, which I think does create an issue, but... she also said she did not have an extreme need for this kink and could live without it, so who knows...

Honestly, due to it being mentioned that Lacey's screw ups would begin to decline and knowing how much the MC hates the idea of her being shared, I don't think this will be the path in the future, rather I think some of the other characters are going to step into the "oops, I screwed up" role for a bit, but how... I am unsure.
 

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I could imagine a scenario where lacey uses the unaccounted for purse of ketamine mia presented her with in one of her 'brilliant' plans to help mia get over past trauma...just like mia did for lacey....but lacey, in her corrupted messed up way, would genuinely think it would help mia instead of thinking about it like revenge, and is obviously another terrible idea.
I was thinking a similar thought. Mia would have to be drugged and used by lots of guys to get over her fear of men and sex. Lacey/MC would be there to "watch over her" and document everything, then just keep the K-train rolling as she goes further and further off the deep-end. Then when she had enough and was ready to come back to reality, do a "last hurrah" with another Isaac sized dude for a few weeks, while everyone else just kind of forgets she exists. That would at least show her how terrible her actions were and maybe lead her to a path of self-accountability for what she did to Lacey.
the whore's repeated cheating
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I think Lacey having a "true" understanding of the pain she caused would be a scenario where she gets cucked extremely hard.

Lacey is VERY jealous, she doesn't take it very well at all and even in small things such as learning about Christine as his intern, she was overly upset about it when she first heard about it.

If the MC popped and lost it and then got extremely devious in a revenge with her to which he let loose all of his hate and rage by how he was treated and then threw it back at her in such a way where she is completely shocked and devastated by it (mocking her, insulting her, humiliating her in both sexual ways as well as professing a "love" for the girls he is doing it with, etc...) , then maybe this "might" fully bring her to that understanding of what she put the MC through which could cause a "true" repentance cycle.

As it is now, she knows it hurt him, she understands it from an analytical view, but not a true empathetic one of the damage she has caused.

It appears that what she is doing is trying to get the MC to accept her actions by corrupting him to it so as not having to fully come to terms with her betrayal. It is like if she can have him sleep around, then she can justify her past actions which is an easy way out and not truly coming to terms with her betrayal. The fact that she is trying to do this in a way where she protects herself (ie picking only those she approves, under the conditions she approves, etc...) isn't coming to terms, it is essentially excusing her actions.
 
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I'm still confused by this conversation. I don't know if it has been explained already.
I just hope we will not end with the "it was all a dream" cliché, discovering he was mentally ill from the beginning and Lacey it's just a projection of his mind.
 
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She did in one discussion about kinks explain that she has a jealousy kink and gets off on seeing the MC upset, which I think does create an issue, but... she also said she did not have an extreme need for this kink and could live without it, so who knows...
I think she downplayed this kink a lot, take the Damian cucking for example, a big part of what got wrong was because of this kink, to the point that any kind of "teaching lesson" was abandoned just to feed this jealousy kink. So yeah...definetly downplayed it.

And about the cuckquean or Lacey sharing the MC with others, as far as we know, both Mia and Anna are already included. The whole thing has various layers, sure, its so MC experiences a "wild youth" as Lacey did, but its also a compensation to Lacey screw ups and a way to give a reward to the rest of the girls. Lacey can be a lot of things, but she is good at manipulating people into seeing only one part of the whole.

For MC sharing Lacey with other dudes, well his possiveness should prevent that, but Lacey has this trait that allows her to twist things, if you look at the conversation where the jealosy date is proposed, its in fact Lacey who leads and guides the whole thing and makes MC believe it was his idea. So, in theory no more Lacey with other dudes, more so if she continues to realize how bad she treated MC and how damaged he got because of her, but anything is possible.

I think some of the other characters are going to step into the "oops, I screwed up" role for a bit, but how... I am unsure.
Anna is the one with all the warning flaring up. She is left behind, probably be targeted by the villains, has this change of attitude, and really after all the damage Lacey caused to MC her relationship with Lacey should be gone. If she really loves MC and wants to protect him (doubtfull or it would have happened already) or thinks that she is not really trated fairly in the sharing plan, i can see her stepping into a "Mia role" and be the one causing trouble for Lacey and MC. Of course with similar intentions to Mia (Replace Lacey, or at least get more attention from MC)

Lacey is VERY jealous, she doesn't take it very well at all and even in small things such as learning about Christine as his intern, she was overly upset about it when she first heard about it.
Just remember her attitude during MC free pass. If its with Anna she was okay, and even tried to direct MC to Mia. But Christine or Kelly, damn. Which its really contradictory. For a girl with sex means nothing emotional, she is "okay" with him fucking girls that are in love with him and who he holds some love for, meanwhile girls with barely any feelings cause her jealousy. Wouldnt be it better for her supposed teachings if he fucked girls with no feelings or attachements?

As it is now, she knows it hurt him, she understands it from an analytical view, but not a true empathetic one of the damage she has caused.
Completely agree on that. She deserves some harsh bereating that leaves her fully understanding the damage she (and the rest) caused to the MC. Not just know, but undestand. That would fully start her redemption, so far even with the therapy sesions its just pretty words, because she isnt acting on this supossed regret, she knew the jealosy date was "super unhealthy" and yet she did go along with it.

And yes, a lot of her regrets and repentance so far have being tried to be resolved by dragging the MC to her level instead of her stepping up and doing better. In fact even the sharing plan is part of this, instead of her changing for the better, she is forcing a change in him to accept her as she is.


So far, Lacey is the only one that has expressed the desire to change, to accept that she screwed up, to accept how hurtfull and damaging she is to the MC and wants to do and be better, but at this point in the story she hasnt really acted on that yet. But hey, compared to some of the others (Mia for example) at least she is aware, at least rationally.
 
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Yes and no. Lacey outlined the possibility of giving the MC the option to choose what he would like, but... specifically stated she really didn't want to be shared (but would if he chose this). The "open" thing is really just Lacey wanting the MC to be with other women (those she specifically approves of) under the claim that he needs to experience it due to his college years being chaste and devoted to her.

In fact, because of the MCs dislike for the term and his very clear objection about not wanting an open relationship, they re-termed it to "love experiment". The MC still does not even want to do this, so this is something Lacey is pushing him to and he does protest it fairly often.

She already screwed up again with the jealousy date and even if you choose the full on share, it backfires and makes the MC hate her even more. Honestly, I don't think "Lacey sharing" is going to be a thing as it kind of goes against the entire concept of this story, though... there are hints that Lacey has something left to tell the MC and mentions that it is something he would never accept.

She did in one discussion about kinks explain that she has a jealousy kink and gets off on seeing the MC upset, which I think does create an issue, but... she also said she did not have an extreme need for this kink and could live without it, so who knows...

Honestly, due to it being mentioned that Lacey's screw ups would begin to decline and knowing how much the MC hates the idea of her being shared, I don't think this will be the path in the future, rather I think some of the other characters are going to step into the "oops, I screwed up" role for a bit, but how... I am unsure.
The kink you are referring to is Stag/Vixen. It is not ideally worded in author's text but I noticed it also. However it has nothing to do with humiliation of Mc or cheating or cuckoldry. The kink means that she doesn't get of on the provocation. His suffering or being humiliated. It's the exact opposite. She gets of on when he gets jealous and makes her good girl again using dominance and reclaiming. She would get of on him, setting her straight. The reward for her is him doing dominant things to her for her "disobedience". So her idea is not to be shared (she mentioned it in the bar, so that MC stops her once he is jealous enough to get her out and punish her). This is very far from cheating and cuckoldry because the goal is have vixen misbehave so they can fuck each other more passionately.

And I can imagine that this route would be applicable to their psychological dilemma. He would gain confidence and heal from the shared kink bonding. And as the time went on, she would find some way to fuck it up a little more than she wanted to.. So this would introduce new elements into the flow, where some problems arise. What do you think?
 
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I'm still confused by this conversation. I don't know if it has been explained already.
I just hope we will not end with the "it was all a dream" cliché, discovering he was mentally ill from the beginning and Lacey it's just a projection of his mind.
hmm... I don't know, I just assumed that was a bug, not an intentional write in.
 
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The kink you are referring to is Stag/Vixen. It is not ideally worded in author's text but I noticed it also. However it has nothing to do with humiliation of Mc or cheating or cuckoldry. The kink means that she doesn't get of on the provocation. His suffering or being humiliated. It's the exact opposite. She gets of on when he gets jealous and makes her good girl again using dominance and reclaiming. She would get of on him, setting her straight. The reward for her is him doing dominant things to her for her "disobedience". So her idea is not to be shared (she mentioned it in the bar, so that MC stops her once he is jealous enough to get her out and punish her). This is very far from cheating and cuckoldry because the goal is have vixen misbehave so they can fuck each other more passionately.

And I can imagine that this route would be applicable to their psychological dilemma. He would gain confidence and heal from the shared kink bonding. And as the time went on, she would find some way to fuck it up a little more than she wanted to.. So this would introduce new elements into the flow, where some problems arise. What do you think?
I don't know, in the Damian incident she seems to be taking great pleasure in what she had to know is causing him misery in her cucking of him. I don't buy the whole explanation given concerning this incident.

I think she has a conflict of issues. At one point, she loves the attention and reaction she gets from her hurting the MC (the actual act of it), but also hates the after effect of how it destroys him. It is like a person who does not consider the consequences because they truly desire the action, but then hates the fact that there will be consequences.

If she could capture his complete pain and suffering in the moment while she is cucking him, but then somehow wipe his mind to forget it after all is said in done, I think she would prefer that... but in reality this is not possible. Because of this, she is constantly fighting her need for the kink and dealing with the fallout from it.

While Lacey is written in a manner where she "appears" to mean well, I think that maybe she does on some level, but her raw desire overpowers it which is why she keeps screwing things up.

In the end, her only way to really heal is for her to come to terms with what she is doing, how detrimental it is, and this can only be achieved by being at the end of the barrel so to speak. She has to experience his complete loss and hopelessness, humiliation, and betrayal to truly see herself for what she has done and what she continues to do. She won't achieve this through "approved" lovers, and safe "experiences" for the MC. She has to fall hard from the MCs perspective to truly understand where he is coming from.

She just doesn't "get it" yet I think, once she does, all of these plans for the MC would be cast aside and she would devote herself to a healthy relationship of love, respect, and honor.... not a continuing need to serve a sexual kink which the MC never wanted and truly does not want to understand.
 
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Simply Kelly using flirty inuendo and saying stuff under her breath....with the intention for the MC not to hear her correctly. You're telling me you've never done anything similar with anyone and when they question it you say something else, usually similar?

There's really nothing to 'get' here...she wants to fuck...says it...the MC pauses a moment...she then says something different. It's not overly difficult to understand.
I was talking about how the text switches to Lacey when he is talking to Kelly. Lacey I don't think is even present there in that conversation right?

Her saying what she did wasn't what I was looking at.
 
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