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Because going to your former boss just after becoming an executive and telling her youàre gonna fuck face her under the desk is like....normal, right? :ROFLMAO:
It is so painful watching him harass his coworkers and call it flirting.

You misunderstand me, I can definitely see how someone like MC could be self deprecating, it is the childish nature of it that I contest.
Telling himself or people randomly "I am an asshole" (and as you said, those same people agreeing to it during the KW) does not really constitute much.

I would see more of a: I don't deserve this (in a clear way, more than the faux humble pedestal talk) or have it more ingrained in the humor (which is often how it is represented in adults).
To be fair, some parts are well represented, like MC having a hard time taking compliments.

A good example was the first talk at lunch with Anna after Lacey starts to dress like a slut at work, him saying I am average is pretty realisting and fitting in how MC perceives himself (no matter how many women and how many work successes he gets).
I understand what you are saying and I agree.
 

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I both agree and disagree with this. While after she comes back and they get married I don't think the MC is ever at risk of losing Lacey.
Finally, it is a core theme of the novel, damn in act 2 she even says that even if she didn't love MC she would stay with him.

I would argue that even in college the risk was not that high, but I like to speculate that if Anna didn't call, Lacey would have been with Isaac much longer, or at least as long as she could survive.

I would say that the game started with him losing her. He lost every part of her whether he knew it at the time or not. The final time he "lost" was when she made the decision she was going to leave with Isaac. Then the cliffs happened and it changed.

I see that the game really starts as a NTR story, but then becomes a story of how a couple coming back from NTR.
Leaving with Isaac is a bit controversial because it is unclear, this is one of the moments where Lacey could be actually lying.

L "And the temptation to go with him was very brief."

Brief because Anna called? Brief because it was actually something she considered for a very short time?

Isaac seems convinced that she was ready to leave with him until the call, so I am inclined to chalk this to a Lacey signature half truth but as I said, this is my speculation and the material tells us otherwise.

And...if she was on massive doses of K and we see that her memory fails a lot with K, how the fuck does she remember everything so well? And why having painful sex constantly to the point of tears would be considered bonding by her? (biology works differently you know?)

So...I am not sold but again this ccould be the convenient "story purpose" stuff.

As for college, in reality if you read the whole college info, Lacey NEVER wanted to leave MC, not for a single moment, towards the end she realized she is now so fucked up (drug addicted campus sex toy/human toilet) and that she didn't move an inch towards her goal (great plan Mia, that worked well, I am glad you are here as a friend) which was always to be with MC and be able to give him intimacy.

From MC pov it is quite different obviously and understandably, Lacey was everyone else "property" (please give me some leeway I can't find a better term) and was willing to do everything he wanted and more, just not with him.
Add the ghosting, and the damage is done and it is irrepairable.

There are reasons for all this, albeit a bit silly sometimes, but there are nonetheless.
 
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From MC pov it is quite different obviously and understandably, Lacey was everyone else "property" (please give me some leeway I can't find a better term) and was willing to do everything he wanted and more, just not with him.
Add the ghosting, and the damage is done and it is irrepairable.
The MC's POV was how I was looking at it. Between when Lacey left him and the cliffs he struggled with her loss. This is where I see the NTR elements of the story. The day of the cliffs was the point where he accepted that she was gone. At that point he didn't know about what she had been doing during that time, all he knew was no matter what he did she didn't respond to him. Then at the cliffs he talks to her and at that point the story shifts from NTR, to whatever category you want to call it.
 

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The MC's POV was how I was looking at it. Between when Lacey left him and the cliffs he struggled with her loss. This is where I see the NTR elements of the story. The day of the cliffs was the point where he accepted that she was gone. At that point he didn't know about what she had been doing during that time, all he knew was no matter what he did she didn't respond to him. Then at the cliffs he talks to her and at that point the story shifts from NTR, to whatever category you want to call it.
yeah I moved away from the NTR/NTS/NTWHATEVER discussion, I am not particularly interested in categorizing this story as nothing else than °good story, inches from gold°.

I am more interested into exploring the knowns, unknowns and the lies.

And I pretty sure Lacey is lying there because the only thing she say she isn't lying about is that she was in love with Isaac.

The fact that MC keeps him around and everything is forgotten is crazy to me.
 
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yeah I moved away from the NTR/NTS/NTWHATEVER discussion, I am not particularly interested in categorizing this story as nothing else than °good story, inches from gold°.
Agreed. My fascination is more in how the story doesn't fit into any category than interest in trying to categorize it.


And I pretty sure Lacey is lying there because the only thing she say she isn't lying about is that she was in love with Isaac.

The fact that MC keeps him around and everything is forgotten is crazy to me.
As for Isaac,
I tend to think that the story thread of Isaac being a threat may be over. The only thing I can see that could bring this back up would be if the MC and Lacey end up moving into Isaac's house. I know it was said earlier (I think it was Mav), but the way I could see this coming back, is if we find that Lacey has been to the house before. If Lacey has not been there, then I think the story has moved past this plot.
I am not saying that I think the MC has gotten over it or has forgiven or forgotten it. I think it's a writing decision to move the story on to other plots. And I would support that decision.
 

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As for Isaac,
I tend to think that the story thread of Isaac being a threat may be over.
Unless we get a Johnsonian "subvert the expectation" moment, he is now in the good guy team.

This is something pretty typical of the story, bad guys (there can't be female antagonists) are paper thin.

Isaac got almost a full arc of character exposition, so he is now defused, no matter what he did in the past (see: Mia) because consequences do not exist.
Sadly this is quite a flaw, probably the one I fail to accept the most.

The only thing I can see that could bring this back up would be if the MC and Lacey end up moving into Isaac's house. I know it was said earlier (I think it was Mav), but the way I could see this coming back, is if we find that Lacey has been to the house before. If Lacey has not been there, then I think the story has moved past this plot.
Please, as fun as that theory is, it does not have a chance to happen, ever.
It doesn't fit the timeline nor Lacey's motivations or even the story in general.

Unless the prof read the theory and is ready to do some serious retcons, such as using those 6 missing months to show that Isaac and Lacey had previous contact and maybe that is when Lacey blocked his number.
But it will require corrections in both act 1 and 2.

The cameras will have a role for sure tho.

I am not saying that I think the MC has gotten over it or has forgiven or forgotten it. I think it's a writing decision to move the story on to other plots. And I would support that decision.
But this is what happens with every event and situation, they happen and a moment later they didn't.

You need closure for the events, else they just stay there floating and the reader looks at the characters acting like nothing has happened and all is good.
I am fine for events not having an instant resolution, maybe they could be resolved in the next act, but acting like they never happened is...weird.

There is a reason half the posts in this thread are about asking where are the consequences of the character actions or why the actions do not shape the story at all.
 
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Calm before the storm.

I pretty sure we will see an Act 3 release this month (hopefully). Probably within the next 2 weeks if everything is on schedule.

Act 3 is going to be huge though. The professor said he was 1/2 way done in his update (finished the Vegas trip) and it was the size of Act 1, so if this stays consistent we should get a full story about Vegas, then a complete full story dealing with things once they get back. Lots of things can happen in all that, it should be interesting for sure.
 

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Calm before the storm.

I pretty sure we will see an Act 3 release this month (hopefully). Probably within the next 2 weeks if everything is on schedule.

Act 3 is going to be huge though. The professor said he was 1/2 way done in his update (finished the Vegas trip) and it was the size of Act 1, so if this stays consistent we should get a full story about Vegas, then a complete full story dealing with things once they get back. Lots of things can happen in all that, it should be interesting for sure.
Did you get my DM?
 

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Calm before the storm.

I pretty sure we will see an Act 3 release this month (hopefully). Probably within the next 2 weeks if everything is on schedule.

Act 3 is going to be huge though. The professor said he was 1/2 way done in his update (finished the Vegas trip) and it was the size of Act 1, so if this stays consistent we should get a full story about Vegas, then a complete full story dealing with things once they get back. Lots of things can happen in all that, it should be interesting for sure.
He didn´t. Thats what he wrote:

If I was to give a fair estimate, I'd say I'm about 50% done with Act 3. That's much further along than I had anticipated. I feel very good about how progress is going. So, if you're still reading I'd like to talk about what I'm trying to accomplish in this release. Act 3 is already about the same size as Act 2. So, this release will be heftier in length than last time.
 

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I disagree. Lacy is never been in danger of being stolen, therefore not netorare for me. If it is or you, i´m fine with it. In the end it doesn´t even matter.
i would agree that Lacey will never leave MC, but that is only from a 3rd person perspective, not the MCs.

seeing that most commonly in hentai and the like, netorare, netorase and netori are always listed based on the MCs perspective not the viewers, just because we dont think she will leave him doesnt change the netorare MC exeperiences. As we know, he is constantly in fear of her leaving him, she has done it once, and that fear existed before he knew she was a slut, before she lied and betrayed their marriage for a job promotion. thus every action she takes outside their marriage is netorare to him.

at least thats how i understand it.
 

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Well, I saw the developer's description and was intrigued. I confess I am not an NTR fan but want to learn about it (in gaming) if only to understand why so many people appear to love it. "Am I missing something?" I keep wondering... At first, this looked like a game for me.

I read the first 7-8 pages of comments and am left with the feeling that the commenters believe this really isn't terribly different from nearly every other NTR story out there; a story that teases you with a promise of something different but, ultimately, simply leaves you angry and unfulfilled with a weak MC who's disrespected and humiliated and apparently decides that he enjoys being disrespected and humiliated. A kink for some, I suppose.

With this in mind, I suppose I'll abandon this product before I start it and continue looking for something else.

I ask this in all sincerity: is there some sort of kink out there for developers to fool their readers and then watch them melt down with complaints?

Not shaming anyone's kinks; just literally trying to understand what people seem to find so wonderful in being betrayed and never doing anything about it beyond, "thank you, sir, may I have another?"
 
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He didn´t. Thats what he wrote:

If I was to give a fair estimate, I'd say I'm about 50% done with Act 3. That's much further along than I had anticipated. I feel very good about how progress is going. So, if you're still reading I'd like to talk about what I'm trying to accomplish in this release. Act 3 is already about the same size as Act 2. So, this release will be heftier in length than last time.
I got mixed up then, thanks for the correction. So two Act 2 sized stories then.
 

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Well, I saw the developer's description and was intrigued. I confess I am not an NTR fan but want to learn about it (in gaming) if only to understand why so many people appear to love it. "Am I missing something?" I keep wondering... At first, this looked like a game for me.

I read the first 7-8 pages of comments and am left with the feeling that the commenters believe this really isn't terribly different from nearly every other NTR story out there; a story that teases you with a promise of something different but, ultimately, simply leaves you angry and unfulfilled with a weak MC who's disrespected and humiliated and apparently decides that he enjoys being disrespected and humiliated. A kink for some, I suppose.

With this in mind, I suppose I'll abandon this product before I start it and continue looking for something else.

I ask this in all sincerity: is there some sort of kink out there for developers to fool their readers and then watch them melt down with complaints?

Not shaming anyone's kinks; just literally trying to understand what people seem to find so wonderful in being betrayed and never doing anything about it beyond, "thank you, sir, may I have another?"
Is your kink to judge games without playin them ?

But you are absolutely right about looking for something esle if you wanna learn about ntr and why some people like it.

This game have all the usual ingridients of a NTR story, but mixed in relly unusual way and transformed in to something else, which makes it unsuited as a case study on the topic of NTR.
 
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Well, I saw the developer's description and was intrigued. I confess I am not an NTR fan but want to learn about it (in gaming) if only to understand why so many people appear to love it. "Am I missing something?" I keep wondering... At first, this looked like a game for me.

I read the first 7-8 pages of comments and am left with the feeling that the commenters believe this really isn't terribly different from nearly every other NTR story out there; a story that teases you with a promise of something different but, ultimately, simply leaves you angry and unfulfilled with a weak MC who's disrespected and humiliated and apparently decides that he enjoys being disrespected and humiliated. A kink for some, I suppose.

With this in mind, I suppose I'll abandon this product before I start it and continue looking for something else.

I ask this in all sincerity: is there some sort of kink out there for developers to fool their readers and then watch them melt down with complaints?

Not shaming anyone's kinks; just literally trying to understand what people seem to find so wonderful in being betrayed and never doing anything about it beyond, "thank you, sir, may I have another?"
First off... This isn't an NTR game, rather a game that deals with some NTR concepts. Mostly it is a story dealing with a very complicated situation, back story and circumstances that while has some "silly" aspects in various things, is somewhat reasoned and understandable in terms of how the MC, FC, etc... are acting.

Most "NTR" out there is essentially written in a manner to promote the demoralization and humiliation of the MC. In all honesty, they are "Netori" (ie the one doing the stealing) games written from a Netorare (being stolen from) perspective. So the writing and the story tend to "glorify" the misery of the MC and the MC is often written in a way to promote that concept (ie stupid, oblivious, etc...) while the FC/Antagonists are praised for their cheating and acts of humiliating the MC. That is, they are often kink games serving fap fetishes.

This game is not that, not at all. It is NTR only in that you will be dealing with the topics of sexual/relationship betrayal on various levels, but the game does not treat the MC like a complete oblivious cuck, rather he is a messed up emotionally destroyed guy with PTSD dealing with a complicated situation that caused this.

The MC is not "stupid" in the standard MC NTR sense, his "stupidity" (or rather stupid reactions at times) is reasoned well (mostly, depends on the person) and the cheating (specific case and it comes with complicated details as to why it happens), or the betrayals are not "praised" or viewed with positive value. In fact, the MC lets loose some pretty angry and demeaning remarks on the FC while the FC grovels and shows remorse.

The story is complex, which is why people who dislike NTR can find purchase in it. It is not your standard "NTR Fap" story, and I would say even though I "classify" it at Netorare in some aspects, I think it is a mistake overall to claim it as such because it does the story a disservice. So in reflection, It really isn't NTR in the sense that you may be thinking, at all... It is a story about dealing with Love, Jealousy, and a very complicated setup that led to some serious train wrecks for the MC.

The content is hard to swallow, seriously... some of the scenes are earth shattering in emotion as you will feel for the MC, for his plight and I think most identify AT LEAST with his situation. I seriously doubt anyone "identifies" with the FC or antagonist, which is why some people who love the standard NTR slop out there HATE this game. There will be no fapping to this story in that respect, this story does not serve that purpose.

I would say give it a try to be honest. This is not like any story you have seen and again, it really isn't NTR, though it does deal with some NTR content.
 

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Is your kink to judge games without playin them ?

But you are absolutely right about looking for something esle if you wanna learn about ntr and why some people like it.

This game have all the usual ingridients of a NTR story, but mixed in relly unusual way and transformed in to something else, which makes it unsuited as a case study on the topic of NTR.
I'll pretend your question was genuine and reply, "no, I enjoy judging things for myself."

The problem is that the last dozen or so NTR games I've tried all claim that player choices matter when they truly don't and, after several hours of story time, I feel angry and deceived. When a game delivers what it promises even if I don't like the ending I'm okay with that since my choices got me to that point.

I suppose my recent experiences have conditioned me to expect that the descriptions lie, frankly, and I'm looking for a game that actually delivers what it promises.

My first flag here was the conflicts in the description: this is an NTR game where NTR/NTS is avoidable but NTR happens to be a central them of the story. (???)

But, thanks for confirming my suspicions. Any recommendation(s) for a game to provide an understanding of NTR?
 

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I'll pretend your question was genuine and reply, "no, I enjoy judging things for myself."

The problem is that the last dozen or so NTR games I've tried all claim that player choices matter when they truly don't and, after several hours of story time, I feel angry and deceived. When a game delivers what it promises even if I don't like the ending I'm okay with that since my choices got me to that point.

I suppose my recent experiences have conditioned me to expect that the descriptions lie, frankly, and I'm looking for a game that actually delivers what it promises.

My first flag here was the conflicts in the description: this is an NTR game where NTR/NTS is avoidable but NTR happens to be a central them of the story. (???)

But, thanks for confirming my suspicions. Any recommendation(s) for a game to provide an understanding of NTR?
You are welcome.
Belive me when I say that this is not another typical NTR story. I think most of regular posters in this thread are not even NTR enthusiasts. I played this game because I liked dev`s previous work: On distant shores. Not because I searched for a NTR game. And I got sucked in to the story.

So if you want to judge for yourself, do it. But consider yourself warned that this is not NTR story, despite it having some NTR DNA in it.
 

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You are welcome.
Belive me when I say that this is not another typical NTR story. I think most of regular posters in this thread are not even NTR enthusiasts. I played this game because I liked dev`s previous work: On distant shores. Not because I searched for a NTR game. And I got sucked in to the story.

So if you want to judge for yourself, do it. But consider yourself warned that this is not NTR story, despite it having some NTR DNA in it.
Well, I found On Distant Shores on another server. It doesn't list NTR among its tags so I'll try that to get a feel for the writer then I'll reconsider whether/not to try this. Thanks for the tip.
 
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