Oh shit, sorry. My last sentences were about L&J not about ODS. On Distant Shores has nothing to do with NTR. My apologies I should have been clearer.
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Saphfire
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Hi, i don´t often encourage to make a decision based on reviews, but in this case i highly recommend it.
There is a reason why the majority votes 5/5 but there are also the 1/5 reviews. I think you have a better understanding after reading them.
It sounds like NTR wouldn't be something you care for anyway. You appear to have the same expectation that I do in a NTR story, one that expects the MC to have agency, not be a moron, to be able to make rational choices as a competent person (or at least see the story treat the MC that way). Unfortunately, most of the NTR stories out there aren't going to do that (especially the Western ones).
Unless you are seeking "Netorase (sharing)/Netori (stealing)" content, I think you will not find any worth value, and it appears that you have a tendency to identify or at least sympathize with the MC, so that would remove most of the Netorare games here as they mostly treat the MC as a footstool (most are poorly labeled or serve a different angle) .
There are a "couple" Netorare games out there that provide a solid love to loss and then resolution story giving the player some agency, but even those are mostly demoralization endings with only a one or two paths of at least bittersweet or satisfying resolutions (ie revenge, gets a different girl, or walks away head held high).
I like the complete respectful stories of that nature, but they are few and far between and as you said from your experience so far, you are often mislead by what the stories are claimed to provide.
In my experience so far, I would have to say avoid NTR in general as you aren't going to find them of any value.
That said, like Dragonflight said, definitely give Love & Jealousy a try as it is a diamond in the rough. You can sympathize with the MC and not feel like you are a prop for some kink and you will even find some understanding (maybe even sympathy) for the other characters in the story due to the situation. This is a story while rough to read at times, is well worth the emotional roller coaster.
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We were due an update roughly 2 weeks ago.
Sadly nothing on the horizon yet, I hope the prof will come with a surprise and drop act 3 soon.
I read the author's annotation and tried it. This isn't a game, it's a kinetic story. THE AUTHOR IS LYING, there's nothing new, it's a typical NTR story with the standard set of features:
1. The wife is a hypocritical slut with the mileage of a car-sharing car.
2. The husband is a spineless slug who has abandoned dignity and self-respect for the title of brainless cuckold.
3. An absolute lack of REAL choice. This isn't a game, it's a kinetic story.
It's like all NTR stories:
1. You can't throw the hypocritical slut out (let her die in a ravine).
2. You can't preserve the dignity and moral superiority of what used to be the husband (by refusing to have sex with other sluts at the behest of his slutty wife until the divorce).
3. Everyone understands this isn't the end of the story. The hypocritical slut will continue to spread her legs for other cocks. The spineless cuckold will endure, forgive, and agree.
A typical NTR story, like thousands of others, is worthless to an audience that despises hypocritical sluts and cuckolds.
1. The wife is a hypocritical slut with the mileage of a car-sharing car.
2. The husband is a spineless slug who has abandoned dignity and self-respect for the title of brainless cuckold.
3. An absolute lack of REAL choice. This isn't a game, it's a kinetic story.
It's like all NTR stories:
1. You can't throw the hypocritical slut out (let her die in a ravine).
2. You can't preserve the dignity and moral superiority of what used to be the husband (by refusing to have sex with other sluts at the behest of his slutty wife until the divorce).
3. Everyone understands this isn't the end of the story. The hypocritical slut will continue to spread her legs for other cocks. The spineless cuckold will endure, forgive, and agree.
A typical NTR story, like thousands of others, is worthless to an audience that despises hypocritical sluts and cuckolds.
NewGuy2022
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As people have been saying, L&J isn’t really an NTR game
it’s better to view it as the story of a girl with a (lot of) past, including emotional betrayal and abandonment, and following all that, how to come to terms with everything
You should elaborate more, but yes, Lacey does have several flaws, but I don't think you tried to understand (not agree, not forgive, not accept) the character fully.
And I have to admit act 2, while showing a lot of growth on her part, unveils some elements of the past that make her character look worse.
I understand the frustration, and while you are dismissing his weak mental state and victimhood, I can see how looking at MC doing absolutely nothing of value and being a witness to the events instead of an actor makes him extremely unlikeable.
Especially when he justifies every wrong that is done to him and keeps toxic people around.
Theoretically, the choices and their effects will ramp up more an more as the story goes on, it was described in the incipit.
You lost me here.
I admit this was not treated as it should have, in a past version you could have said no to Anna for example, but Kelly would still be forced upon the player.
But if you think MC lost any moral superiority over Lacey, when she ghosted him for 4 (we could say 5) years and drove him to suicide, you'd be wrong in my book.
I don't see much of the typical NTR stuff aside from the "corrupting best friend" which is an absolute ass and MC being, as you said, spineless with a capital S.
If you think that Lacey will do what you said, you did not pay attention to the dialogues, can't say much in defence of MC tho, he is...not particularly great.
Hopefully we will not get a forgiveness ending, else you would be right on some accounts.
How far did you get? Did you read the story or skip fast through it? This is a story meant to be read in detail, not surfed through from scene to scene.
There is a lot more to the story to sum it up as such. I don't think someone could reason this conclusion after reading the characters detail. I mean, sure... you may be able to suspect it to an extent and reason this assumption, but I think it is a bit extreme to lump this game in with the same slop out there that is nothing more than fap games glorifying the FC/Antagonist and treating the MC as if he is an oblivious cuck.
I read history; emotions don't matter, only actions matter. Each person chooses their own path.
Every action of a slutty wife is a voluntary, conscious choice. It's not a mistake – IT'S A CHOICE. She VOLUNTARILY chose this path; it's her choice.
Becoming a whore is her voluntary choice.
Hiding her past from her future husband is her voluntary and conscious choice. It's not a mistake – it's a choice.
The latest, most cynical betrayal is the voluntary choice of a hypocritical slut. She HERSELF CHOSE to drink alcohol, she HERSELF CHOSE to use drugs; it's her voluntary choice. She CHOSE to humiliate her husband; these are her REAL thoughts. What's on a sober man's mind is on a drunk man's tongue. It's not a mistake – it's a choice.
A hypocritical slut is covered in shit up to her ears; she reeks of shit from a mile away. She forced a brainless, spineless cuckold to get covered in her shit and fuck other whores; it was her choice for moral self-justification. It wasn't a mistake, it was a choice.
All events were the voluntary choice of a hypocritical whore. There is no justification or forgiveness for the actions of a hypocritical whore; she chose her own path.
The brainless and spineless cuckold slug also bears responsibility for the consequences of his choice.
But no one is disputing that, Lacey is an hypocritical narcissist, I don't know why you are so combative about it.
Maybe the prof has been too good in creating a compelling story and made emotions run high
.I can only say that I am glad that our judicial system understood and implemented the concept of extenuating circumstances, Lacey does apply for some, she is a VERY damaged person who made, as you correctly stated, a great number of wrong choices, the worst among all would be the one to abandon MC.
If you check the thread, no one or almost no one is creating justifications for her, and those who do definitely can do so because her actions did not touch their personal life (with this being a fictional tale and all).
In fact, most people find the concept of forgiveness as a tall tale in this story, as it would be a total lack of self respect by MC, but acceptance and understanding are on the table.
I feel you are also missing the point of Lacey trying to be accountable of her actions, old and new, which should be taken into consideration while drafting her ccharacter profile.
As for MC...he is a deeply damaged person too, granted, I absolutely despise how he's been written, in fact he is just a step under Mia in my book.
But he is a selfless and altruistic victim, and going too hard on him without considering his circumstances is a bit dense on our part.
My main gripe is how he is written as a strong protector while actually being the complete opposite, putting Lacey in danger simply because he either doesn't act, is not sincere OR puts the needs of others above hers (looking at you Isaac).
That said, I understand your frustration, but if you let that pass for a moment and try to read between the lines you will find much more nuance and enjoyment of this novel.
Lets see what act 3 brings to the table, I am waiting to see if we will get more clarity on Lacey's past, which is riddled with half truths and her painting herself as the victim, hopefully her character arc will make her better in that regard and maybe MC will start being a stronger lead.
Remember we still don't know what plot MC has in the no fun route, the dialogue was not particurlarly well meaning and hopefully it would not become a cuck route (which makes MC lose GG points btw).
But now you made me curious, what are your thoughts about the rest of the cast?
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Nobody contests this. The issue was with this being like every other NTR game out there, it isn't.
While you are correct in your general assessment in several things, as DeviantFan pointed out, there are extenuating circumstances in this that at the very least give some reasonable means to the characters being as they are.
Like was said, nobody defends Lacey really, she is a horrible selfish person who personally made decisions to harm the MC and continued to do so because... she chose to. She really can't be forgiven to be honest, but to an extent... there is some reasonable means to her progression regardless if she "chose" such or not. Think of this as more of a case study on NTR behaviors. LOL
The MC has some serious issues. At times he comes off strong, determined, intelligent and controlled, but then there are oddities in his character that changes to ridiculous insecure, self blaming, etc... allowing him to be bullied by the FC and the others.
It has been said "Everybody loves the MC, but nobody cares about him" and I think this is a correct assessment when you look at the various actions of the people in the story.
You should take the time to read though this thread as all of your points have been brought up and mulled over to which you will see, few will object to.
When all is said and done though, there are some legitimate reasonings as to why the MC acts as he does, why the FC is the way she is, etc... The real oddities are some of the other characters (Mia, "The Pimp" has no redeeming or understandable qualities, she is evil to the core and continues to be all the while the stupid MC treats her like a friend? WTF?) that make no sense.
The story is far from perfect and has various holes, flaws, and inconsistencies with some of the characters, but it is a pretty good story none the less. It has the components of an NTR story, but this isn't the normal NTR story and the characters while behaving at times in those ways, aren't that "typical" NTR slop.
While I don't see this as an NTR game and consider it far more nuanced and intricate, with a lot more going on and the NTR elements are merely a vehicle for the narrative,
If I had to compare it to "other" NTR games, my very simplistic view would be this:
Usually NTR games are about the (slow) build-up, the corruptions and moral degradation of the FMC, and the deception, neglect and humiliation of the MC.
This is not the case with L&J. This game is about the aftermath instead of the build-up and act of betrayal. It's about where to go once trust is broken and maybe love is lost.
If I had to compare it to "other" NTR games, my very simplistic view would be this:
Usually NTR games are about the (slow) build-up, the corruptions and moral degradation of the FMC, and the deception, neglect and humiliation of the MC.
This is not the case with L&J. This game is about the aftermath instead of the build-up and act of betrayal. It's about where to go once trust is broken and maybe love is lost.
Also, most NTR games you see around are all about praising the cheater, promoting the steal, lavishing in the MCs misery. The entire story is about making the MC the butt of the joke and placing the FC/Antaonist as the "Hero" of the story.
L&J has nothing in common with those games. The FC and accomplices aren't viewed in a positive light, their actions are not seen as justified or accepted and even though the MC may blame himself for them, that is simply the inner character voice in his abuse based thinking and it isn't a validated position in the story.
This story shares some of the parts of NTR, but the parts do not make the same whole, not even close.
So... Lets see... guesses on release...
1. 10th - 16th
2. 17th - 23rd
3. Later
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My guess... only because I am optimistic... hopeful, and because I want it... (1), though I am pretty sure on (2) at the latest.
1. 10th - 16th
2. 17th - 23rd
3. Later
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My guess... only because I am optimistic... hopeful, and because I want it... (1), though I am pretty sure on (2) at the latest.
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I am an NTR hater to my heart... But this piece of work here.... I love it!!! There are jarring moments, if set in the real world a man will lose his shit... and probably more.. The gf is a thoroughly broken mess of a human being, as the MC... The friend group is iffy as fuck, but seem to genuinely care for them both AND the most important (to me) .. They have a fighting chance to get it right.. I eagerly await ch
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