VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[DeviantFun]

So... Lets see... guesses on release...

1. 10th - 16th
2. 17th - 23rd
3. Later

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My guess... only because I am optimistic... hopeful, and because I want it... (1), though I am pretty sure on (2) at the latest.

eh I wish, my biggest fear that "before year end" will mean december.

I am an NTR hater to my heart... But this piece of work here.... I love it!!! There are jarring moments, if set in the real world a man will lose his shit... and probably more.. The gf is a thoroughly broken mess of a human being, as the MC... The friend group is iffy as fuck, but seem to genuinely care for them both AND the most important (to me) .. They have a fighting chance to get it right.. I eagerly await ch
3...

Welcome to the club, as for the fighting chance to get it right, we will see .

I always doubted that the solution for every issue or trauma is to fuck other people.

We will see how MC will be able to grow, hopefully in a meaningful manner.

 

[funnythings3785]

eh I wish, my biggest fear that "before year end" will mean december.



Welcome to the club, as for the fighting chance to get it right, we will see .

I always doubted that the solution for every issue or trauma is to fuck other people.

We will see how MC will be able to grow, hopefully in a meaningful manner.

Do not rain on my parade DeviantFan!!!!

Yeah, as for them "getting it right", hmm... I guess that is every persons perspective as to what that means (Run away MC, Run... A... way!!!!! )

 

[Saphfire]

Lets see, his last post was on October 13th, and he was about 50% done. This means it took him 4 weeks for 50%
Lets assume he needs another 4 weeks for the rest, that would be November 9th/10th plus 10 days of testing and so on.
My guess would be November 21th or November 28th because his last release was on a friday.

 

[Pugthulhu]

I read history; emotions don't matter, only actions matter. Each person chooses their own path.
Every action of a slutty wife is a voluntary, conscious choice. It's not a mistake – IT'S A CHOICE. She VOLUNTARILY chose this path; it's her choice.
Becoming a whore is her voluntary choice.
Hiding her past from her future husband is her voluntary and conscious choice. It's not a mistake – it's a choice.
The latest, most cynical betrayal is the voluntary choice of a hypocritical slut. She HERSELF CHOSE to drink alcohol, she HERSELF CHOSE to use drugs; it's her voluntary choice. She CHOSE to humiliate her husband; these are her REAL thoughts. What's on a sober man's mind is on a drunk man's tongue. It's not a mistake – it's a choice.
A hypocritical slut is covered in shit up to her ears; she reeks of shit from a mile away. She forced a brainless, spineless cuckold to get covered in her shit and fuck other whores; it was her choice for moral self-justification. It wasn't a mistake, it was a choice.
All events were the voluntary choice of a hypocritical whore. There is no justification or forgiveness for the actions of a hypocritical whore; she chose her own path.
The brainless and spineless cuckold slug also bears responsibility for the consequences of his choice.

Every game is not for everyone.
If you don't like it that's your prerogative.

 

[DeviantFun]

Every game is not for everyone.
If you don't like it that's your prerogative.

I mean with all that emotional investment, he obviously likes it a lot!

 

[riichidesu]

So... gave the game a try after reading the comments, is something that I do before starting a game, do not really care much about spoilers. And yeah maybe I was in a weird mental state when I started because it hit me hard, but sometime along ACT2 finally clicked and can honestly say I enjoy it.

Do no think of Lacey as a worthless slut, I just see a dumb and broken girl committing mistakes after mistakes and trying to be a good person. Btw

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Do no think the MC is a spineless cuckold I just see a man with a heavy mental issue that should have been on therapy long ago, trying to deal with the hand he was dealt. I think MC is one of those special individuals that can read microexpressions, that is why he is so good a always knowing what to say to make people feel better and how he is so good at getting people to like him but also why when he does not want to see the answers to hard questions he stop looking at people faces.

Honestly my only complaint so far is

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[DeviantFun]

So... gave the game a try after reading the comments, is something that I do before starting a game, do not really care much about spoilers. And yeah maybe I was in a weird mental state when I started because it hit me hard, but sometime along ACT2 finally clicked and can honestly say I enjoy it.

No no, L&J act1 hits hard by design, shock value moments one after another with very little time to breathe between each other.
Act 2 relaxes the grip a bit, finding a more mild pace, which I also do find more enjoyable.

Do no think of Lacey as a worthless slut, I just see a dumb and broken girl committing mistakes after mistakes and trying to be a good person. Btw

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Look the "not going to therapy" theory is NOT popular, you can count the people that support that on one hand!

And I agree with you about Lacey, she is trying to be accountable and improve herself, but how would you describe a person that decides to ghost the man that saved her life after manipulating him for 13 years, bringing him to almost commit the unthinkable WHILE you are out partying and getting fucked (literally).

The man got PTSD now, had to watch her fuck another man in front of him (twice depending on your choices), a thing he accepted just because he fears Lacey would leave again...

Let's say that the truth is in the middle she is a dumb and broken girl who acted like a worthless slut, killing hers and his beloved a chance to a normal life (and for MC, it is permanent, PTSD is not curable).

Do no think the MC is a spineless cuckold I just see a man with a heavy mental issue that should have been on therapy long ago, trying to deal with the hand he was dealt. I think MC is one of those special individuals that can read microexpressions, that is why he is so good a always knowing what to say to make people feel better and how he is so good at getting people to like him but also why when he does not want to see the answers to hard questions he stop looking at people faces.

The not looking at people faces is a great pick, it is portrayed as unintentional, like he forgets to do it, but doing that subconsciously trying not to get hurt is a nice character trait, I now wish it was written clearly like that.

On MC I also agree he is a damaged victim, but I have one gripe with your description, he does not try to do anything.
He literally does not do anything in the whole story, he takes serious action once, twice if you want to cconsider bringing pizzas as a serious action.

Honestly my only complaint so far is

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I agree with you wholeheartedly, it was mentioned often how the new set of bad guys was unecessary, we already had a good "villan" setup with Isaac (the fact that he tried to "steal" Lacey is totally forgotten), which would have brought the couple to face the past and deal with it, while Isaac would loom over the relationship.
It seems a Dick Dastardly + Muttley setup.

The amount of unresolved issues from act 1 and 2 could fill two or three acts tbh, from exploring Lacey's past and her fun, to explore MC subservient nature and his damage, dealing with his nightmares, dealing with all the damage Lacey did after the marriage (it seems like her cheating and trying to seduce Jared are, again, totally forgotten).

We need to see how this develops, maybe we will find the true motivations behind FV and we wil both have to change our minds.

 

[duckydoodoo]

idk, i think the porn empire villain almost makes sense. still bad plot device but almost believable. based solely on the popularity of amateur porn

imagine watching porn where the most depraved sluttiest sex scene, doesnt just look real, but feels real. there are women who are making millions on only fans for just being really hot and slutty while looking competely fake. a porn empire could be made with a woman who no matter the scene or act makes viewers believe she doesnt just want it, but desperately needs it.

still a crappy plot device for bad guys in this story, mostly cause it feels contrite, especially when you consider the porn on the internet of her that already exists. its like a hat on a hat story wise(funny enough that existing porn being so popular in the circles it was made is also more proof of the viability the crappy porn empire plot arc)

 

[KseiPo]

I don't think that Porn Empire is the only motivation/goal of the new Villain. I suppose that this is only the "external" goal, the internal motivation should be some grudge against MC or Lacey. So I suppose that it should be some character from the past. May be its the Father of Lacey for example? We don't know what happened to Lacey's parents, right?

 

[DeviantFun]

I don't think that Porn Empire is the only motivation/goal of the new Villain. I suppose that this is only the "external" goal, the internal motivation should be some grudge against MC or Lacey. So I suppose that it should be some character from the past. May be its the Father of Lacey for example? We don't know what happened to Lacey's parents, right?

That theory has been running around, someone even hinted that the monster could be MC father.

It is rather obvious, at least to me, that FV is someone from the past, I mean "Familiar Voice" says a lot already... and I really hope it is not only Barty, since I was pretty disappointed in his character development/assassination.

 

[Adhdclassic]

Anna and Mia are shit friends. Anna is a shitty friend to MC and Mia is a shit friend to Lacey. Dump the friends move away and start from scratch. If the relationship fails its between the two of them no one else. Right now internal and external factors or destroying them. Lets cut the bullshit her pussy can't be that good to go through all this drama.

 

[riichidesu]

... And I agree with you about Lacey, she is trying to be accountable and improve herself, but how would you describe a person that decides to ghost the man that saved her life after manipulating him for 13 years, bringing him to almost commit the unthinkable WHILE you are out partying and getting fucked (literally).

The man got PTSD now, had to watch her fuck another man in front of him (twice depending on your choices), a thing he accepted just because he fears Lacey would leave again...

Let's say that the truth is in the middle she is a dumb and broken girl who acted like a worthless slut, killing hers and his beloved a chance to a normal life (and for MC, it is permanent, PTSD is not curable).

For me is probably the "story clicked" moment that I am talking about, I just accepted that there are parts on the story that I simply can not do nothing about otherwise there would be not story to tell, like if I was in MC pants I would have dropped Lacey after no getting any answers to my text the first months on College and that is probably true for most of us here. So yes I agree it was very fucked up the things that she did and she is the only responsible in the destruction of two peoples lives(she and mc) but I also see that she is really trying to left the past behind and be the better person the MC needs. I mean ACT2 was pretty good from her on that point, sure some step backs and more fuck ups,

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The not looking at people faces is a great pick, it is portrayed as unintentional, like he forgets to do it, but doing that subconsciously trying not to get hurt is a nice character trait, I now wish it was written clearly like that...

For me it was made clear when he was buying the suit with Anna and the meet Will. In the convo after Will leave Anna start obviously fucking with the MC and he is about to blow when Anna just tell him "If you have seen my face you would easily know that I was kidding", to what MC talk about how he has a quirk of sometimes stop seeing people in the faces when he is talking with them.

On MC I also agree he is a damaged victim, but I have one gripe with your description, he does not try to do anything.
He literally does not do anything in the whole story, he takes serious action once, twice if you want to cconsider bringing pizzas as a serious action.

Agreed in the damaged victim in the doing nothing yeah, probably is because the only real option that he have is leave Leacy with is funny because:

There are three big "crash" on the MC at this point:

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I agree with you wholeheartedly, it was mentioned often how the new set of bad guys was unecessary, we already had a good "villan" setup with Isaac (the fact that he tried to "steal" Lacey is totally forgotten), which would have brought the couple to face the past and deal with it, while Isaac would loom over the relationship.
It seems a Dick Dastardly + Muttley setup.

The amount of unresolved issues from act 1 and 2 could fill two or three acts tbh, from exploring Lacey's past and her fun, to explore MC subservient nature and his damage, dealing with his nightmares, dealing with all the damage Lacey did after the marriage (it seems like her cheating and trying to seduce Jared are, again, totally forgotten).

We need to see how this develops, maybe we will find the true motivations behind FV and we wil both have to change our minds.

Maybe is something to do with the MC epiphany at the end of ACT2,

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That theory has been running around, someone even hinted that the monster could be MC father...

You know I was thinking of that, not that it can be MC father but something is going on with MC family. I think MC was also a abuse child(no normal 6/7 year old child make 200+ rules to make sure his abused friend can have some sort of normalicy) specially because in the wedding when MC was describing the event he say is father is a millitary man on Germany but nothing about the mother, null, no my mother if out the picture, my mother is no longer alive, no even my mother leave me when I was a child. Just no mention of her at all and that is pretty weird.

 

[Dark Quean Olivia]

like if I was in MC pants I would have dropped Lacey after no getting any answers to my text the first months on College and that is probably true for most of us here.

Only if we were not in the exact situation that the MC was in.

The real problem, is not that she left him....but that leaving him 'left him' with no purpose in life anymore. He had a huge ocean liner sized void in his life...that he did not know how to fill. For almost 13 years, his entire life revolved her looking after her....that was his sole and only purpose to waking up.

Now, if you reword the quoted statement to, right after Mia started sending her texts, or after Bastion....then only a damn pathetic idiot would stay and not run for the hills....

 

[riichidesu]

Only if we were not in the exact situation that the MC was in.

The real problem, is not that she left him....but that leaving him 'left him' with no purpose in life anymore. He had a huge ocean liner sized void in his life...that he did not know how to fill. For almost 13 years, his entire life revolved her looking after her....that was his sole and only purpose to waking up.

Now, if you reword the quoted statement to, right after Mia started sending her texts, or after Bastion....then only a damn pathetic idiot would stay and not run for the hills....

Ha if dev would have given us a choice to run for the hills like you said when the shit show started I for one would have take it and move on with other games.

I like that we finally are starting to have some measure of choice and with the next act named

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I hope the dev make more advance on give us choices

 

[CrysusPariah2]

Ha if dev would have given us a choice to run for the hills like you said when the shit show started I for one would have take it and move on with other games.

Additional choices/routes could always be added after the main intended story is done and told

 

[KseiPo]

I wonder if we would get to know MC's parents better at some point in the story. We all know enough about Lacey's parents (although they might appear in the story again at some point too). But we don't know anything about MC's parents. And, considering how much time and effort MC has spent in his childhood with Lacey, I think that his parents were also not very adequate, not violent, but probably also "absent" for him. What do you think?

 

[CrysusPariah2]

I wonder if we would get to know MC's parents better at some point in the story. We all know enough about Lacey's parents (although they might appear in the story again at some point too). But we don't know anything about MC's parents. And, considering how much time and effort MC has spent in his childhood with Lacey, I think that his parents were also not very adequate, not violent, but probably also "absent" for him. What do you think?

Father is abroad in the military and mother is not in the picture as far as i recall

 

[KseiPo]

Father is abroad in the military and mother is not in the picture as far as i recall

Yes you are right I also remember something about father being abroad in the military. But was it like this in his childhood or is it the current state?
I just tried to search for it in the game files and did not found it. Where did he mention that?
So his father being in the military could be a hint for future villain

 

[CrysusPariah2]

Yes you are right I also remember something about father being abroad in the military. But was it like this in his childhood or is it the current state?
I just tried to search for it in the game files and did not found it. Where did he mention that?
So his father being in the military could be a hint for future villain

It is only ever mentioned in the prologue before the wedding

Regarding future villain potential, check what I just posted on the discord

 

[DeviantFun]

For me is probably the "story clicked" moment that I am talking about, I just accepted that there are parts on the story that I simply can not do nothing about otherwise there would be not story to tell, like if I was in MC pants I would have dropped Lacey after no getting any answers to my text the first months on College and that is probably true for most of us here. So yes I agree it was very fucked up the things that she did and she is the only responsible in the destruction of two peoples lives(she and mc) but I also see that she is really trying to left the past behind and be the better person the MC needs. I mean ACT2 was pretty good from her on that point, sure some step backs and more fuck ups,

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Unless you are a cuck with bells, everyone would stop after the kiss, hell, even the kiss was too much.
It is interesting how that part got sort of retconned in act 2, in act 1 it was publicized as "emotional growth" (which was nonexistant), thankfully the dev made a 180 and painted it as borderline abuse in act 2.

Yes, most people would have walked away probably bringing some scars forever (what Lacey did is a betrayal of the highest order), but at least they would have moved on, maybe thinking about it now and then as "the one that got away".

In several of my posts I write about how Lacey's struggle to be better and objective improvements are great in act 2, in fact, she is my MVP for act 2 (shared with Dianne).
You can see the change starting when she starts holding herself accountable in the act 1 "I KNEW" scene in the bathroom.

I would also say that what happened in college is not only Lacey's fault (she had a pimp to push her), but her enourmous responsability is clear cut.

For me it was made clear when he was buying the suit with Anna and the meet Will. In the convo after Will leave Anna start obviously fucking with the MC and he is about to blow when Anna just tell him "If you have seen my face you would easily know that I was kidding", to what MC talk about how he has a quirk of sometimes stop seeing people in the faces when he is talking with them.

He also does it at the chicken parm dialogue, he gives a different explanation, but yours is way better.

Agreed in the damaged victim in the doing nothing yeah, probably is because the only real option that he have is leave Leacy with is funny because:

There are three big "crash" on the MC at this point:

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Agreed on the three big crashes, and what happens is...nothing.
Look at when Lacey comes back from the trip, the guy is just there trying to make her have a nice welcome home moment.

Isaac comes into the house invited by Lacey? Just a few words and then some sex.

Mia sends hateful messages? Bring drugs to your recovering addict wife? nothing, actually he likes her a lot.

And as you correctly state, the Barty situation.

MC is used as a tool to show events, he just looks at them without any sort of reaction, which leads to the absence of consequences for everyone.

This is the main issue with MC, even if he is damaged and weak to Lacey, he should be a force to be reckoned with in all the other situations, and not because I say so, but because the material tells us he is...except it never shows anything.
So the MC is always perceived like a weak and spineless character, not because he is a victim, not because he suffers emotionally, but because he doesn't do anything, to anyone, not even to protect Lacey.

When he threatens Veronica I almost spat out my drink, it looked like a steven seagal moment, my man, no one is scared of you as you have proven time and time again that you aren't worth shit.

Maybe is something to do with the MC epiphany at the end of ACT2,

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I made a long post about it the "epiphany" is really silly and out of place.
Sure, Lacey has been telling him similar things since the beginning, but describing himself as king or whatever was really silly, he is a pawn who can't even choose who he should have a relationship with.
The reality is that he is trying to cope, but it is all bullshit, Lacey was willingly giving herself to all those people while he needed her at his side, to the point where he almost died.

If this is really the sort of "epiphany" the MC can have, he is doomed as a human being.

But lets see what we will discover in act 3 about the porn plan.

You know I was thinking of that, not that it can be MC father but something is going on with MC family. I think MC was also a abuse child(no normal 6/7 year old child make 200+ rules to make sure his abused friend can have some sort of normalicy) specially because in the wedding when MC was describing the event he say is father is a millitary man on Germany but nothing about the mother, null, no my mother if out the picture, my mother is no longer alive, no even my mother leave me when I was a child. Just no mention of her at all and that is pretty weird.

Well the rules came over time, they were not born at the same time, they stayed together for 13 years after all.

True about the mother, I sort of filled the gap by thinking she either passed or decided to cut contacts, I am more inclined to believe the former.

Yes you are right I also remember something about father being abroad in the military. But was it like this in his childhood or is it the current state?
I just tried to search for it in the game files and did not found it. Where did he mention that?
So his father being in the military could be a hint for future villain

Current state, MC's father is stationed in Germany at the time of the wedding.