VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Maviarab]

Got bad weather over here, im gonna shutdown my pc. The list will come tomorrow maybe.

Take it easy and stay safe Dios.

 

[anongamer1983]

I wouldn't even mind an "after" series, where we see where the balls have landed and some more shenanigans.

Honestly, after it is completed, then I would like a "What If" side story based on it. I'm excited to see how they get through everything given Lacey's abandonment and everything after it. However, I think it'd also be a good story for them to deal with the consequences of Lacey never leaving or MC chasing after her.

Like, I think it could be similarly dramatic, just not having the Junior year slut stuff. At this point, Lacey is more immature, still narcissistic, and hasn't experienced what life without the MC is like. She doesn't have that appreciation of MC because she's never been without him.

Whatever the case is, I don't think the "what if" should lead to a happier ending (the grass isn't always greener on the other side). I think it should keep a similar tone of 2 damaged people who struggle not to hurt themselves as they try to learn to accept it and move on.

 

[Liqoxlongin]

Shared this game at another place. Really hope it was a good idea and will bring more attention to this piece of art and more subscribers for Professor Amethyst because it definetely deserved.

 

[DeviantFun]

Honestly, after it is completed, then I would like a "What If" side story based on it. I'm excited to see how they get through everything given Lacey's abandonment and everything after it. However, I think it'd also be a good story for them to deal with the consequences of Lacey never leaving or MC chasing after her.

Like, I think it could be similarly dramatic, just not having the Junior year slut stuff. At this point, Lacey is more immature, still narcissistic, and hasn't experienced what life without the MC is like. She doesn't have that appreciation of MC because she's never been without him.

Whatever the case is, I don't think the "what if" should lead to a happier ending (the grass isn't always greener on the other side). I think it should keep a similar tone of 2 damaged people who struggle not to hurt themselves as they try to learn to accept it and move on.

Well, what you wrote made me think about a side story at college, where you just see Lacey and Mia at parties and maybe fuck her but it is completely unrelated.

In terms of what if I don't think Lacey ever not cared for Mc in those 13 years, she did and already wanted to repay him.
But it could be a story of exploration of Lacey's pain, fighting Lacey's parents and leads to red bra.

 

[AL.d]

The plot is supposed to be inconsistent by design, at least in part.

The Prof literally starts the game by stating the MCs account of events is unreliable, so i expect load of contradictions, and part of the fun os figuring out what the truth actually is.

Wouldn’t surprise me, if it is later revealed that MCs retelling is partly incorrect or fabricated, his mental illness playing tricks on his memory of events.

Could also just be a writing cop-out to not have to worry about inconsistencies though

If that explains why some events that are supposed to be very impactful, are shoved under the rug and we move on to the next after like a single dialogue, I'm fine with it. A bit doubtful though, because when those black outs happen, the game shows it.

Prof said it'll be based on choices if I remember correctly.

And because it can only be choice-based from now on, it makes the ntr villains redundant. Obviously they are not going to ask MC if they can get a girl for their porn empire. So we know they will fail no matter what. Choice based points towards nts/sharing only like the bald dude scene.

I can only think of one possible situation where it's technically a choice but still actual ntr. A situation where Lacey employs her awesome decision making once more and is on route to fuck someone for whatever reason. And MC gets the choice to try and stop her but can also do nothing. Not because he wants a cucking but because he is sick of slut babysitting.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

Anyone know how many acts there is going to be , I couldn't imagine it being any more than five unless we are in for a bad time haha

After all there is hundreds of partners that could show up looking for Lacey

 

[Chaoticjustice]

Well, what you wrote made me think about a side story at college, where you just see Lacey and Mia at parties and maybe fuck her but it is completely unrelated.

In terms of what if I don't think Lacey ever not cared for Mc in those 13 years, she did and already wanted to repay him.
But it could be a story of exploration of Lacey's pain, fighting Lacey's parents and leads to red bra.

What if the MC never met Lacey

 

[anongamer1983]

And because it can only be choice-based from now on, it makes the ntr villains redundant.

I'm not sure that it relying on choices means that you will be asked "do you want this NTR to happen?". I could be totally wrong, but love points, good guy points, etc could be used to decide if the NTR happens or not. However, I would probably see those as early endings with the MC finally leaving than a story that branches wide with them.

Again, I could totally be wrong, but I think the NTR villains could have endings where they succeed if the MC let's his jealousy/disgust with Lacey consume him regardless of Lacey's efforts to recover in therapy

 

[AL.d]

I'm not sure that it relying on choices means that you will be asked "do you want this NTR to happen?". I could be totally wrong, but love points, good guy points, etc could be used to decide if the NTR happens or not. However, I would probably see those as early endings with the MC finally leaving than a story that branches wide with them.

Again, I could totally be wrong, but I think the NTR villains could have endings where they succeed if the MC let's his jealousy/disgust with Lacey consume him regardless of Lacey's efforts to recover in therapy

True, that could happen. But we sure need way more point choices to be done properly. As it is, they are so few and so spread out, that one point choice two updates back could affect it. That would suck.

 

[anongamer1983]

True, that could happen. But we sure need way more point choices to be done properly. As it is, they are so few and so spread out, that one point choice two updates back could affect it. That would suck.

This is something that may totally change as development goes, but you start with 100 points, and you lose 10 points per bad decision currently (with one exception which is when you go the no fun route)

As of end of act 2, you can have as low as 75

Just as an example of how it could work
75 - 100 are fine
50 - 74 you lose some scenes (maybe Lacey stops doing slut night or whatever)
25 - 49 Lacey gives up on being seen as non disgusting in MC eyes and actively uses sexuality to protect MC from villains. Has NTR, but in Lacey's mind, she's doing it to protect MC even if it makes her feel disgusting
01 - 24 Lacey might let things happen to her because she believes herself to be worthless, even to the person she loves. Locked out of happy ending(s)
0 Lacey breaks and has a big argument with MC, triggering bad ending

 

[Sayora]

I'm very curious why MC's answer

- Maybe you do disgust me a little, but I can't help these feelings / NO FUN route / GG - 5

takes away good guy points.

Why the hell is this a bad thing? He has every right to feel that way and that doesn't make him bad

 

[DeviantFun]

True, that could happen. But we sure need way more point choices to be done properly. As it is, they are so few and so spread out, that one point choice two updates back could affect it. That would suck.

Well you have to see it as a saga.

Boromir's death in the fellowship does have impacts in return of the king after all.

Obviously there should be enough chances to get points.

This is something that may totally change as development goes, but you start with 100 points, and you lose 10 points per bad decision currently (with one exception which is when you go the no fun route)

As of end of act 2, you can have as low as 75

Just as an example of how it could work
75 - 100 are fine
50 - 74 you lose some scenes (maybe Lacey stops doing slut night or whatever)
25 - 49 Lacey gives up on being seen as non disgusting in MC eyes and actively uses sexuality to protect MC from villains. Has NTR, but in Lacey's mind, she's doing it to protect MC even if it makes her feel disgusting
01 - 24 Lacey might let things happen to her because she believes herself to be worthless, even to the person she loves. Locked out of happy ending(s)
0 Lacey breaks and has a big argument with MC, triggering bad ending

Lacey will never leave MC, she will be hurt, maybe even consider suicide, but unless everything in the game is a fever dream or a lie it will not happen.
There is a hint given from Lacey where she could stop loving him, deemed unthinkable by her, but she states she would still stay by his side.

I don't much care about the good guy stat, it is misused and misrepresented.
Essentially is victim shaming towards MC, weird coming from an author with such sensitivities.

Again the 0 might be a suicide bad end or Lacey falls out of love end and is used by MC as the Pimp used her in college.
I say this because all the loss of points is always related to MC getting aroused by seeing her like an amoral slut or ntr dialogue.

 

[Lestrouduc]

This is something that may totally change as development goes, but you start with 100 points, and you lose 10 points per bad decision currently (with one exception which is when you go the no fun route)

As of end of act 2, you can have as low as 75

Just as an example of how it could work
75 - 100 are fine
50 - 74 you lose some scenes (maybe Lacey stops doing slut night or whatever)
25 - 49 Lacey gives up on being seen as non disgusting in MC eyes and actively uses sexuality to protect MC from villains. Has NTR, but in Lacey's mind, she's doing it to protect MC even if it makes her feel disgusting
01 - 24 Lacey might let things happen to her because she believes herself to be worthless, even to the person she loves. Locked out of happy ending(s)
0 Lacey breaks and has a big argument with MC, triggering bad ending

Okay, but can we see these point statistics somewhere?

 

[anongamer1983]

Okay, but can we see these point statistics somewhere?

Each time you make one of those decisions, I think it shows how many you lost and how many you currently have

I'm very curious why MC's answer

- Maybe you do disgust me a little, but I can't help these feelings / NO FUN route / GG - 5

takes away good guy points.

Why the hell is this a bad thing? He has every right to feel that way and that doesn't make him bad

Remember, losing some good guy points doesn't do anything. It's only if you lose too many.
However, I think there's a big difference in saying "Your actions in the past disgust me" vs saying "You are disgusting"

 

[DeviantFun]

Each time you make one of those decisions, I think it shows how many you lost and how many you currently have



Remember, losing some good guy points doesn't do anything. It's only if you lose too many.
However, I think there's a big difference in saying "Your actions in the past disgust me" vs saying "You are disgusting"

And yet the chioce is either you don't disgust me or you do.

Plus it is completely acceptable to see the person that did those actions as disgusting.
It is just a nicer way to say something, especially because for MC Lacey's past is very much his present, he discovered it recently.

Victim shaming to the max IMO.

 

[Maviarab]

Okay, but can we see these point statistics somewhere?

The answer my friend, as it should be with every....single....VN....is URM

Throw it into the game folder, start VN (Does not affect versions, saves or anything else), press ALT M to open it and then find the variable. Remember it in URM and voila, can always see where you are at. Use it for all variables, points, anything.

Fuck your route up...5 points short? Just change it in URM abd voila.

 

[Lestrouduc]

The answer my friend, as it should be with every....single....VN....is URM

Throw it into the game folder, start VN (Does not affect versions, saves or anything else), press ALT M to open it and then find the variable. Remember it in URM and voila, can always see where you are at. Use it for all variables, points, anything.

Fuck your route up...5 points short? Just change it in URM abd voila.

Thanks for that, I'll give it a try.

 

[Fmedic]

Honestly, after it is completed, then I would like a "What If" side story based on it. I'm excited to see how they get through everything given Lacey's abandonment and everything after it. However, I think it'd also be a good story for them to deal with the consequences of Lacey never leaving or MC chasing after her.

Like, I think it could be similarly dramatic, just not having the Junior year slut stuff. At this point, Lacey is more immature, still narcissistic, and hasn't experienced what life without the MC is like. She doesn't have that appreciation of MC because she's never been without him.

Whatever the case is, I don't think the "what if" should lead to a happier ending (the grass isn't always greener on the other side). I think it should keep a similar tone of 2 damaged people who struggle not to hurt themselves as they try to learn to accept it and move on.

I like the idea of what if. It could have several stories.

I'm not sure that it relying on choices means that you will be asked "do you want this NTR to happen?". I could be totally wrong, but love points, good guy points, etc could be used to decide if the NTR happens or not. However, I would probably see those as early endings with the MC finally leaving than a story that branches wide with them.

Again, I could totally be wrong, but I think the NTR villains could have endings where they succeed if the MC let's his jealousy/disgust with Lacey consume him regardless of Lacey's efforts to recover in therapy

DEV states there will be no NTR and it's not going to be NTR lover friendly (Thank God)

 

[DeviantFun]

Thanks for that, I'll give it a try.

You could also go and edit the 00console.rpy file and change the config.console = False to True.

Then in game use shift+O to open the console and read and edit the variables, writing the variable name will show the current value and writing "variable_name" = x will change that value.

This is a bit more unwieldy since you don't actually know the names of the variables, so you could just make a save and then use a save editor to look at the variable names.

Why you shoulld do that when URM is way easier? because some games have issues with URM sometimes (I doubt L&J will have a problem with it) and deep down you love tinkering

 

[AL.d]

DEV states there will be no NTR and it's not going to be NTR lover friendly (Thank God)

What dev states is that only act1 has unavoidable ntr. Not that it will never have ntr/nts again. Just that you will be able to avoid it. The slut route very obviously goes towards nts/sharing events.